Since when does Who start with a H?

Damn Steven Moffat.

Oh well the first 4 of new who was a good run.*cough*come back Russell*cough*

@Eaglestriker, sorry bip off topic but are you making or in the making of anymore Dr. Who/ Torchwood Theme music?

Seems Russell is fanning these rumours too...

http://www.bleedingcool.com/2009/06/...ho-and-daleks/

So, it must be a wind-up...

Regards,

Cypher

Or not. The story originally claimed that he said it during the Q&A until it was pointed out by people that had actually been there that DW was never mentioned at all, then it was rewritten to have those comments made later rather than just admit the story was wrong.

Bleeding Cool = Rich Johnston a man with a track record for accurate DW scoops even lower than the Tabloids.

Way back when Matt Smith was revealed to be the next Doctor Moffat or someone said there was a 4 or 5 episode story arc at the beginning of series 5. Tennant has read the scripts and said he was quite jealous that Matt Smith was getting such a great story arc.

That to me implies the baddies from the first episode will perhaps follow through to at least episode 4 or 5.

A quick Google doesn't bring up any confirmation of either of those things. In fact the only comment in regard to S5 scripts that I can find is Smith saying the only ones he'd read when cast were Episodes 1 & 4. (Probably because they were the only ones finished at that point.)

I'm certain something was said along those lines in the 11th Doctor programme that revealed Smith to be the next Doctor, but I'm probably wrong.

However, Tennant definitely said in that DWC that he was envious of Matt Smith having read some series 5 scripts.

Anyway, Matt Smith looks a lot like David Tennant in this pic.

http://screenrant.com/wp-content/upl...att-smith1.jpg

Now, now, cmon it can't be all that bad. Give it a try.

Not at the mo, I have exams! But I was thinking of doing another one after they're over. Should be fun.

not incorrect, didnt the cushing movies tardis have blue walls and white windows??? (actually the tardis always has white windows, but on the OUTSIDE

erm.... the 2nd doctor's first adventure was with the daleks....

It wasn't right at the beginning of a series, though - I think Power of the Daleks was the third story of series 4.

nyingy

It really wouldn't surprise me if the Eleventh Doctor's first story did feature the Daleks, although I must admit I would want their appearance to be fully justified by the context of the story (not just a full-on invasion with their return explained in three lines of nonsense dialogue; I'd want a clever, intricate story) and I wouldn't want to see them again in the show for at least another 2-3 years, because they were very over-used in Series 1-4.

I understand that the Daleks *are* the Doctor's most iconic enemy, and that they never will be truly killed off for good, but I think we all saw a bit *too much* of the Daleks in Series 1-4, so a gap of 2-3 series before we see the Daleks again would be quite refreshing, and would make them much more menacing when they returned, and would make their return much more anticipated and exciting too. It would also give Steven Moffat a chance to give other monsters and villains from the Classic Series a chance to shine in the new series.

But, going back to what I said at the start, it wouldn't surprise me if the Daleks were used in Matt Smith's first story - it would be a big, iconic and epic story to start off his tenure as the Eleventh Doctor - but I can't help thinking that it might be a bit too continuity-heavy for his first ever story, what with all that history and legacy that the Daleks always carry on their backs.

I, personally, would like to see a brand new series - pretty much like it was in 2005. A new Doctor, a new companion, a new TARDIS interior, a new showrunner and producers, a new team of writers, new stories, new title sequence, new monsters, etc. I think I want Series Five to feel *very* new and very fresh, but still have that old 'Doctor Who' feel to it, similar to the way it was resurrected in 2005. And it feels right, after five years, to reset the show a little bit, to make it feel refreshed and reinvigorated. Not everybody will agree with what I'm saying, and I respect that, but this is merely my opinion.

I'd like Matt Smith's first story to feature a brand new monster, albeit an iconic and unforgettable monster, so the show feels completely new. Because, lets face it, there's plenty of time in the future to bring back old baddies from the darkness!

I agree TL09. Considering the Daleks history with the Tenth Doctor in particular, having them put next to the fresh new Doctor during his first episode would take away that new-car smell that the new team are aiming for.

I also agree, if they indeed do appear in the first episode - that it shouldn't and probably wouldn't be a mass-invasion, or even a quiet invasion a la Daleks in Manhattan. Something along the lines of 'Dalek' in Series 1 would be very nice. A lone Dalek struggling to survive - but again, that wouldn't be 'fresh' would it?

I've come to my personal conclusion that this story is bull. If not bull, then sheepsh*t as its less harmful than the big potentially spoilerish bullsh*t story on the shoes.

This isn't directly at you, but it is something that is continuously mentioned again and again over the forums and so forth....and I have to admit, it does annoy me.....why? Well because out of the 44 stories that we have had so far in the new series....only 5 of them have been a Dalek story.......so I don't know about anyone else, but that just goes to show that really the Daleks haven't been really that overused....Yes they have been the Big bad more than once, although I would say series 1 is the only one where they were the actual big bad, as series 2 was really the Cybermen (who have only been in three stories before anyone starts about their overuse!), and the Daleks just came along and joined in....and series 3 was the Master, and series 4 really was Davros, but with Davros you get Daleks.....so even that shows that each time it has been a different scenario of them coming back in whatever way.....
If anything is to blame about why it seems that we have had more Dalek stories, then its the format of the new series....each of the 4 series's has up to 9 or 10 stories (and that is not including the specials)....if this was classic Who, and every story was at least 4 episodes, instead of one or two, then it would have been more spread out, and the Dalek stories would have seemed to come after a long period from each other....just like in the classic series.....

I am not saying that I want Dalek stories all the time....personally I don't care if we get one or not, as I enjoy the ones with them, and I enjoy stories without them.....as long as I get DW I don't care....but I still don't agree with the argument that they have been over used in the past 4 year...unless 5 is a bigger number than what I thought it was

Anyway....other than that....I agree with your last two paragraphs.....

I totally respect what you're saying, and that is a very good point which you've pulled me up on.

My personal opinion is that (as much as I love the Daleks), I feel that using them *every* series does get slightly boring after a while. And I'm not saying that you're wrong, and I'm not trying to cause an argument, because, after all, we all have our differing opinions, but I feel that their menace is slightly being taken away by their usage every series.

Okay, they were only the "Big Bad" in Series One and Series Four. Fair enough, and I respect that with Davros you have to have the Daleks. But they've appeared in *every* series, from 1-4. I'm not saying that I've had enough of the Daleks, because I haven't, I'm just merely expressing an opinion that it might be better if the Daleks were rested for a few series, because when they return, they will be bigger, better, stronger and much more anticipated than before. Then if they've been rested for a few series, you could have a massive 3-episode Dalek romp with explosions, menace and terror, the lot! It could be their massive return!

But at the moment, when they appear again, the reaction from me isn't "Oh, wow! Look! The Daleks are back! I wonder how they returned?! The Doctor's in trouble now!", it's more like: "Oh, it's the Daleks again", and when they're defeated, I find myself thinking "What's with all the celebrations? They're gonna be back next series." I just don't find myself getting as excited about the return of the Daleks like I used to in 2005 and 2006.

But I totally respect your opinion!

omg will u 2 stop!!!

Oh I am not arguing about their mance, I think that is on a personal matter whether you find them scary or not....for me I think their concept is very scary indeed....but apart from Dalek, they haven't really scared me....but i do find them a joy to watch though, only story of theirs that I didn't fully enjoy was the Evolution two parter, but that was because of Tallullah, she annoyed the hell out of me....

My point was of the general talk that they have been over used, which really they haven't, but only seems that was due to the format of the series....

Oh and technically there isn't much celebration on the defeating on the daleks....first time round, Rose was about to die and the Doctor regenerates, the second time the Doctor loses Rose, the third time the Doctor is mundane as he knows they will be back, well Caan would be.....and lastly the companions celebrate the succesful towing of the Earth, but the Doctor then banashes the Doc.2 for what he did, and he has to erase Donna's memory.....so not much to celebrate


Like I said, if they don't bring the daleks back anytime soon.....I'm okay with that....and personally I agree with your point on a new monsters and so on for the new series, to give it that fresh feel......DW is about change, and therefore t doesn't need to rely on going back all the time, the only reason it has done over the last four series' is because RTD wanted to, rather than needed to.....and that worked for many (including myself) because he made the last four series' fun, entertaining, sad, mad, scary, cheesy (DW wouldn't be the same without a little bit of cheese)...and just fantastic.....rather than because he kept bringing old friends and enemies back....That is why I don't agree with the original point of the thread that in order to make Matt's first year a success they are bringing the Daleks back.....no, chances are that if they are coming back, its because Moff wants to tell a story with the daleks.....nothing more to it.....

There is certainly an element of truth here.... on the other hand, I am keen to see how the new production team will handle them, so I think in this sense they should be brought back.

I have personally been rather dissapointed with the Daleks overall. Their series 3 outing was especially pathetic and imo the worst Dalek story EVER.

Personally, something needs to be done about the problem created by putting the Daleks in the Time War. Now, everytime they come back it has to be in an exceptional fashion... they can't just appear like they used to in the old series (ie: Death to the Daleks, Ressurection, etc.). It was silly to put them in the Time War in the first place.

I think there was far more Dalek overload in the early series of the 1960s. Personally I like seeing them come back, but would for Matt Smith's first series hope that we didn't see any classic monsters.

After Tom Baker's first series there was no sign of a Dalek (nor Cyberman) until Destiny brought the Daleks back in rather a poor light. What we got during that time was some great original stories. That is what I'd like for Matt Smith.

Everyone should remeber, only stcoop is allowed an opinion. And stcoop is someone with a proven track record of making things up and taking great pride in it. Pot. Kettle. Black!

If the Daleks return under the Smoffat reign (Smith/Moffat ), I hope Moffat disposes of the 'last bunch of Daleks in existence' crap. Daleks are literally timeless, they're everywhere and anywhere - they should be anyway. Like collective racist bacteria scattered across the universe.

I really like the idea of the Daleks being reduced to scavengers and survivors - it makes for a nice balance with the Doctor's situation.

Additionally, post-time war, weakened Daleks - as in Daleks in Manhatten - are incapable of taking over the universe, meaning we get more "localized" threats and adventures, i.e. no-one has to become a god to avert the danger.

Ideally for me, I'd like the Doctor's interactions with the Daleks in future to be summed up as, in the words of Dalek Sec, "This is pest control".



nyingy

Yeah, exactly! Daleks shouldn't be reduced to a 'nuisance' - cus they're meant to be really independantly clever. One Dalek should be a tough challenge, more so a respectable 5 or 6 of them. Its best when the stakes aren't that high, and the threat is more localised as you say.

But this could be the problem. Russell has made the Dalek so independantly clever, that having dozens of them scattered over time and space after a battle would seem too dangerous, as one is enough to rebuild an army. To avoid predictability, he has them wiped out on every occasion (bar the Cult of Skaro).

Hordes of them, IMO, don't seem effectively scary. I guess its down to personal taste. A friend asked me a while back if I'd find being trapped with one zombie in a closed room scarier than running from a horde of zombies in a field. Couldn't answer her... its claustrophobia versus adrenaline.

So you're having a go at stcoop for not just taking someones word on something but actually checking to see if there's any truth in it rather than just believing any old crap that pops up on the net. Chill out. Stcoop sometimes comes on a bit strong but I for one consider him(or her) to be one of the people on this forum with their heads screwed on. Chill out!

That story he(or she) made up was to highlight how the tabloids just scout forums for stories.

Power of the Daleks was the third story of season 4. The third story of series 4 was Fires of Pompeii (counting Voyage of the Damned as the first episode of that series).