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Tom Baker's last story, Logopolis
Eye Sea
14-06-2009
Just watched this again, the second time in nearly 30 years and I must admit, I was bored by it.

It's basically only a two-part story - if that. The script is really poor as is the plot.

Tom Baker looks thoroughly bored by his role of the Dr. Half the time, it looks like he can't even be bothered to say his lines.

And the three companions are really dreary. I never liked that Aldric (or whatever his name was) or the Australian girl, nor the other one with curly hair and big eyes - her name escapes me.

Your views please.
edEx
14-06-2009
Nyssa
Eye Sea
14-06-2009
That's right. Dire.
Dave3622
14-06-2009
I didn't think it was that bad to be honest. I always liked stories with Anthony Ainley's 'Master' in them though. I loved the sinister grin and laugh he could do, far better than John Simm's pantomime effort.
Listentome
15-06-2009
Originally Posted by Dave3622:
“I didn't think it was that bad to be honest. I always liked stories with Anthony Ainley's 'Master' in them though. I loved the sinister grin and laugh he could do, far better than John Simm's pantomime effort.”

Personally I think Ainley was the one to start the panto with the Master. That laugh was straight out of Aladdin. I agree Simm was panto, but I found menace in his Master for the first time since Delgado.

As for Logopolis. I agree with the OP it didn't need to be 4 episodes. But then most classic Who stories were padded out with too many episodes. I find the story a complete mess only compounded by Christopher Bidmead's belief he was getting Doctor Who back to what it was.
chuffnobbler
15-06-2009
The story is a bit po-faced, maybe, but has some great moments: the shrinking Tardis, the dissolving Monitor, the Watcher, Auntie Vanessa. Also, Matthew Waterhouse as Adric manages to out-act Tom Baker in the initial Tardis scenes. Tom is so boggle eyed and weird, MW's down-to-earthness helps a lot.

Love the regeneration, too.

Hated John Simm's Master. He was almost looking into the camera and winking with his panto madness. Anthony Ainley's was a lot more restrained.
crazzyaz7
15-06-2009
Not long watched it......Found it quite good....some of the science went over my head at times....but other than that, I thought it was well paced enough....the only thing I hate is the Doctor blooming falling to his death!!!!! So annoying for such a great Doctor.....


As for Ainley and Simm....both were very panto...why? because from what I have seen of the Master so far, including Delgado, I would say that the Character is a very mad eccentric panto Alien.....I mean you have to be if you go around calling your self the Master
Hot Dogg
15-06-2009
Oh come on!

I mean, Nyssa..

You would, wouldn't you? You just would!

Ah. Internal monologue's gone external again. Oooops!....


Eye Sea
15-06-2009
Maybe I am being harsh, but after the brilliant start to Tom's Dr Whoship (!) in 1975, I thought the last story was a real disappointment.

Tom must have been bored rigid by the part, as you could see his heart and soul wasn't in it. I did enjoy a few of Peter Davison's stories, particularly 'The Caves Of Androzani' which I thought was something akin to early Baker stories.

Sad, the whole thing collapsed with Colin Baker's run. I didn't think he was a bad Dr but the stories were very forgettable.
Paul M C
15-06-2009
Well, I am gonna stick up for Logopolis and say I quite like it.

I think though, this is probably to do more with the actual era and memories of this time floating about in my mind when I watch it. I was 11 at the time and have very fond memories of 1981. It was around this time I used to hold up my little portable cassette audio tape recorder to the tv screen and record each Dr Who episode (how many others used to do this?) - asking all around to "Sssshhhhh" for 25 minutes! (Although video recorders were about, they were still really in their infancy around early '81 - with a huge, huge price-tag, so sadly audio recording was the best I could hope to do!!)

I used to listen alot to the soundtrack of Logopolis and really fell in love with the incidental music for this story - brings back so many memories for me! So although I really like it, perhaps my judgement is a tad clouded by nostalgia maybe???

I've still got the audio cassettes hanging about somewhere of Logopolis and I can remember being extremely annoyed that my nans dog started a barking fit halfway through episode one!!!!! Ahhh...the joys of audio recording those episodes years ago....

How times change!
Les Willis
15-06-2009
When I watched Logopolis as an 11 year old I think it was one of my favourite ever stories. In retrospect, having re-watched it as a middle aged bloke, it's not all that great, but still enjoyable enough.
The things I still like about it is, the sciency opening two episodes in the Tardis, Tegan's entrance and yes even Adric was ok in the 1st two eps. The soundtrack is atmospheric and there's a real feeling of "the end of an era", with the watcher looking on. Logopolis itself is a bit tacky, but the Monitor was great. When watched along with Keeper of Traken and Castrovalva, I think it works pretty well.
Face Of Jack
15-06-2009
I watched it as a 20 year-old, and taped it on good old VHS as it was originally transmitted, but managed to make it into a full-length film (hesitantly waiting for the next episode to start and releasing the pause button!!).
I loved it....a bit crap in places, like trying to "Flush the Master out of the Tardis etc.." but I still love to watch it now. Must up-date and get the DVD! I've got most of the rest! (well, the ones that I like.....quite a lot!)
The_abbott
16-06-2009
You must be such a fan if you don't even know the names of the characters
apj30
16-06-2009
As a child / teenager, Logopolis & Castrovalva were my two favourite DW stories, both penned by Christopher H Bidmead.

What made them enduring to me is that I watched both when I would have been around 10 years old and then bought the target paperback books which were authored by Bidmead himself.

I re-read many times over the years but I think my imagination filled in a lot of the gaps because when I watched the shows again some years later I was very disappointed by the dreadful acting, the poor special effects and the unforgivably pathetic scene where Adric is closing the double doors to one of the Logopolitan corridors - but the backdrop of the corridor behind the doors through which they have supposedly just walked is actually a big painting!

I still think the story is great though and I love the scientific elements that Bidmead introduces.
ocox
16-06-2009
Originally Posted by chuffnobbler:
“The story is a bit po-faced, maybe, but has some great moments: the shrinking Tardis, the dissolving Monitor, the Watcher, Auntie Vanessa. Also, Matthew Waterhouse as Adric manages to out-act Tom Baker in the initial Tardis scenes. Tom is so boggle eyed and weird, MW's down-to-earthness helps a lot.

Love the regeneration, too.

Hated John Simm's Master. He was almost looking into the camera and winking with his panto madness. Anthony Ainley's was a lot more restrained.”

Adric managing to out-act any one is beyond belief let alone the great Tom Baker
Hot Dogg
17-06-2009
Originally Posted by ocox:
“Adric managing to out-act any one is beyond belief:eek: let alone the great Tom Baker”


He ran 'The Plank' a close second....

Mind you, the Kitchen sink can out-act him even on it's worst day!

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