I have not personally tried this but have seen postings on other forums indicating that this is true. It's the same with the hdr, archived encrypted HD material will only play when uploaded on the hdr that actually recorded it. So far ITV HD have refused to allow copy once archiving.

What is your source for that Graham- I remember we had this conversation before and then it was just your assumption, no? I doubt it is the case that you can only play it on the same blu ray as that would be a little pointless imo.

I'd believe it. The Digital Rights Mafia are capable of anything to stop us making HD Archives.

http://www.avforums.com/forums/dvd-b...ml#post9890724

http://www.avforums.com/forums/dvd-b...ml#post9895842

Seems to be true - you can't play blu-ray discs on other devices.

Absolutely no advantage over using an external HDD with the HDR then.

From the manual (page 20):

A bit further on:

Still a bit unspecific.

Maybe they will work on a panny blueray player ie it's a compatibilty issue rather than a deliberate drm policy. If the discs can be played on other machines how can the BBC justify restricting hdr archived material to the source hdr only. They already make the hdr inferior to a sky box by turning off scart RGB during HD reception. Anyone know if the Pannies are similary crippled ?

Found this thread - very interesting

http://www.avforums.com/forums/dvd-b...y-players.html

Bloody hell! I am glad people such as Graham et al. have made us aware of this because you are absolutely correct. The Blu-Ray disk is just an external storage media for that device, nothing more.

Sort of makes the Panasonic (which I had lusted after up to this point) a lot less attractive than it did!

Actually if you read the thread the person has only tested on an older Sony blu ray and a PS3, it may well be that Panasonics and newer Sonys will work but noone has tested yet.

The latest post shows that at least the discs will play on other panny blurays, as you say no one has tried a new Sony one yet. Not working on a PS3 is a bit of a bummer though as loads use the PS3 as a bluray spinner. Firmware upgrade might fix this I guess.

Interestingly, it seems that it may have been a firmware update that prevented the playback of BD-R discs on the PS3, in order to prevent piracy. Word is that it worked fine with BD-R discs before this update. (once again stolen from avforums!).

http://www.dslreports.com/forum/r214...esting-Part-II

At least there's scope to remove the restriction.

They'll only play on the machine they were recorded on? Really? Are we expecting lifetime quality from these Panny's?

It's now clear that they work on other Panny's but have incompatiblity problems with other makes including the PS3.

However you can't play archived encrypted HD material on anything but the hdr that recorded it so the comment applies to the Humax-hdr

It's starting to sound suspiciously like a Beta product nevetheless to me.

Not really, the blu ray recordings work fine on all Panasonic blu-ray players and it looks like they worked on the PS3 before a firmware update to "prevent piracy". Presumably there might have been similar updates to other Sony blu-rays - I wonder if we'll see the facility remarkably re-enabled when Sony bring out their own blu ray recorder.

It's all a bit of a drm mess ain't it, so many inconsistancies. Time for a comment from Danielle methinks

That's a feature I used to use a lot on my Freeview PVR before I got an IDTV and a Freeview DVDR/HDD box. As the vast majority of my recordings are from the "big 5" channels the viewing options when dual recording where usually very good.
Record BBC1 - Watch BBC2, BBC3, BBC News
Record BBC2 - Watch BBC1, BBC3, BBC News
Record ITV1 - Watch C4, ITV2, ITV3, ITV4, E4, More4, C4+1
Record C4 - Watch ITV1, ITV2, ITV3, ITV4, E4, More4, C4+1
Record Five - Watch Fiver, Five USA, Virgin 1 or other crap

With DSO five will move to the ITV1/C4 mix and BBC4 will join the BBC mix.

On Freesat dual recording my regional channels I think the mix would currently be something like:
Record BBC1 - Watch 5 other BBC1 regions
Record BBC2 - Watch BBC1 London/NI, BBC3, BBC4, Five
Record ITV1 - Watch ITV4+1
Record C4 - Watch Film4/+1, More4+1
Record Five - Watch BBC1 London/NI, BBC2, BBC3, BBC4

The BBC2/Five mix isn't too bad but the other transponders are pretty limited. Adding BBC HD or ITV HD to the Record side would limit viewing options even further.

For me "dual record and watch a third" on Freesat wouldn't be an issue anyway since I also have Freeview options but with just a Freesat twin recorder the watch a third options wouldn't be that enticing.

Hi
Re copying to blueray on dmr-bs850 I made a high speed copy of Hopespring to BD-re disc original was recorded from BBC HD with copy once warning I was the able to play the disc back on my pana blueray player BMPBD60 no problems my samsung blueray player was unable to even read the disc. Hope this is of help to anyone thinking of getting this machine it looks like only pana blueray players support the recording, not sure if recording in one of the other modes would improve playback on the samsung will try that when I have a bit more time and titles to record

I have one of these. it works well, with a few exceptions which i hope will be resolved in software updates.

Has anyone managed to edit video on a PC and then produce a suit AVCHD file to upload to it, for storage on the drive or transfer to a blue Ray disc. I use a Mac and my HD video camera is a Sony HDR-TG3, which, as far as i know, you cannot save video to from editing software.

Has anybody out there managed to record the HD output from a Sky box on the Panny recorder? And if s can you burn a blue ray disk from it?

yes, but there are a lot of bugs at the moment -

How there's no HD recording inputs other than the SD card camcorder slots, unless you know different

Recording a HD channel using a downscaled SD output is of course possible
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I was wondering this,myself!

Not quite. i can put the chip from my HD camera in an adapter plugged into the USB socket and that works fine. But it does not solve this problem. I wish they could add an HDMI input.
I expect it has something to do with DRM.