I do wonder if they have done this to stop us voting the underdog. If Aleisha had given John Sargaent 8's, 9's 10's for 'performance' last year nobody would have voted to keep him so we can 'annoy the judges' and vote off Aleshia's fav celeb.
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Originally Posted by laurab88:
“Mel B was very good, but then the American dancing style is VERY different from ours, so I'm not sure a direct comparison could be made.”
“Mel B was very good, but then the American dancing style is VERY different from ours, so I'm not sure a direct comparison could be made.”
I think she was a better dancer full stop, by far.
I don't see how the style is much different- a Viennese Waltz is the same regardless isn't it? I'd say that some of the American Pros are much better than some of the British Pros.....
Originally Posted by The_abbott:
“I do wonder if they have done this to stop us voting the underdog. If Aleisha had given John Sargaent 8's, 9's 10's for 'performance' last year nobody would have voted to keep him so we can 'annoy the judges' and vote off Aleshia's fav celeb.”
“I do wonder if they have done this to stop us voting the underdog. If Aleisha had given John Sargaent 8's, 9's 10's for 'performance' last year nobody would have voted to keep him so we can 'annoy the judges' and vote off Aleshia's fav celeb.”
That seems quite a harsh view Abbs
If Alesha is judging performance - the couples still have to perform first?
(although I still giggle over the tango
)
I love Alesha but I'm not sure. She's isn't a professional and it needs a professional to view the dances with a techincal eye. Alesha can judge the show from a performance aspect of course and this will be good as she was a great performer. How is she going to comment on the footwork when Len said in the final he couldn't give it a 10 because of heel leads when there should have been toe leads or something like that. IMO Arlene should have been the guest judge and Darcy the replacement. I also hope alesha gives fair scores and uses all the numbers and not 6 upwards. 
Originally Posted by newportjoe25:
“I think she was a better dancer full stop, by far.
I don't see how the style is much different- a Viennese Waltz is the same regardless isn't it? I'd say that some of the American Pros are much better than some of the British Pros.....”
“I think she was a better dancer full stop, by far.
I don't see how the style is much different- a Viennese Waltz is the same regardless isn't it? I'd say that some of the American Pros are much better than some of the British Pros.....”
The Americans get away with alot more than ours do, I think there's the difference between the teaching styles, we use one method and I think the Americans use another. I know that they dance the foxtrot usually more out of hold than we do etc. I think, personally, the only pros out there who match ours are Karina and Maks, considering they've competed against the likes of Matt, Nicole, Brendan, Camilla, Darren and Lilia etc.
Edit: The different dance styles http://www.ballroomdancers.com/Dances/
Originally Posted by BuddyBontheNet:
“The Press Release does say Alesha will be judging performance rather than technique.
I think that's fair enough as we've often moaned about performance being judged over technique. As long as she doesn't do a 'Ruthie' and talk about things she has no expertise about.
I'm looking forward to seeing how she gets on now.”
“The Press Release does say Alesha will be judging performance rather than technique.
I think that's fair enough as we've often moaned about performance being judged over technique. As long as she doesn't do a 'Ruthie' and talk about things she has no expertise about.
I'm looking forward to seeing how she gets on now.
”
Me too Buddy, if nothing else Alesha as character, and if she is only going on performance, I hope she may be able to help some of the performers that get slated for technique and not make them feel stupid.
I dont care what they do to it, it is STILL strictly and my fav programme.
I cant wait for the start
Big mistake IMO, Arlene was my fav judge, I know she could be a bit batty, but I really agreed with alot of what she said.
I really like Alesha, but don't want her on the panel, she knows nothing about it.
I really dislike Darcy Bussell I know she's a great dancer, but I've NO interest in seeing her on the show. I remember that God awful thing she did with that Welsh opera singer, cringeworthy!!
I guess X Factor claims another viewer.
I really like Alesha, but don't want her on the panel, she knows nothing about it.
I really dislike Darcy Bussell I know she's a great dancer, but I've NO interest in seeing her on the show. I remember that God awful thing she did with that Welsh opera singer, cringeworthy!!
I guess X Factor claims another viewer.
Originally Posted by newkid30:
“Big mistake IMO, Arlene was my fav judge, I know she could be a bit batty, but I really agreed with alot of what she said.
I really like Alesha, but don't want her on the panel, she knows nothing about it.
I really dislike Darcy Bussell I know she's a great dancer, but I've NO interest in seeing her on the show. I remember that God awful thing she did with that Welsh opera singer, cringeworthy!!
I guess X Factor claims another viewer.”
“Big mistake IMO, Arlene was my fav judge, I know she could be a bit batty, but I really agreed with alot of what she said.
I really like Alesha, but don't want her on the panel, she knows nothing about it.
I really dislike Darcy Bussell I know she's a great dancer, but I've NO interest in seeing her on the show. I remember that God awful thing she did with that Welsh opera singer, cringeworthy!!
I guess X Factor claims another viewer.”
All without seeing how it pans out first?
I wonder if there is going to be a Brian Friedman situation, in it all just being a publicity stunt. The BBC haven't got rid of Arlene completely which makes me think that 2 weeks in we'll see the "it's not working, we've had to bring back arlene". The only thing that makes me think that this isn't the case is that Alesha is such a Strictly love they may not want to humiliate her like this.
I think Darcey is a super idea as I love her dancing and I'd love to see her doing some work with the couples earlier on in the series.I know she's not a ballroom/latin expert but I think the input of another dance professional to some of the routines would be a great idea.
I think Darcey is a super idea as I love her dancing and I'd love to see her doing some work with the couples earlier on in the series.I know she's not a ballroom/latin expert but I think the input of another dance professional to some of the routines would be a great idea.
caz: That makes sense, but Alesha has moved her tour dates, so she's definitely signed for the whole thing.
Originally Posted by laurab88:
“The Americans get away with alot more than ours do, I think there's the difference between the teaching styles, we use one method and I think the Americans use another. I know that they dance the foxtrot usually more out of hold than we do etc. I think, personally, the only pros out there who match ours are Karina and Maks, considering they've competed against the likes of Matt, Nicole, Brendan, Camilla, Darren and Lilia etc.
Edit: The different dance styles http://www.ballroomdancers.com/Dances/”
“The Americans get away with alot more than ours do, I think there's the difference between the teaching styles, we use one method and I think the Americans use another. I know that they dance the foxtrot usually more out of hold than we do etc. I think, personally, the only pros out there who match ours are Karina and Maks, considering they've competed against the likes of Matt, Nicole, Brendan, Camilla, Darren and Lilia etc.
Edit: The different dance styles http://www.ballroomdancers.com/Dances/”
Really? Fair play. I think the Hough siblings are phenomenal.
But yeah, I still think that Mel B was far more impressive that Alesha, and that's probably because she is a lot more flexible and therefore able to do more things on the dancefloor.
BIG MISTAKE. Alisha is a washed up semi-successful pop "star" with a pretty dismal solo career.
She won a series of SCD, whoopiedoo. Now she's a JUDGE? Give me a break.
Her annoying laugh will have people switching off after week 3.
She won a series of SCD, whoopiedoo. Now she's a JUDGE? Give me a break.
Her annoying laugh will have people switching off after week 3.
Originally Posted by Psychosis:
“caz: That makes sense, but Alesha has moved her tour dates, so she's definitely signed for the whole thing.”
“caz: That makes sense, but Alesha has moved her tour dates, so she's definitely signed for the whole thing.”
well I'm seeing her on the 10th November - so not all re-arranged
I never thought I would see the day when I felt sympathy for Arlene, but I really do today.
Not only has she been replaced by a younger model, but she's been replaced with someone who doesn't have a fraction of her experience and expertise.
I do like Alesha, but I feel that she will be totally out of her depth in her new capacity as SCD judge.
Time will tell, I just hope it doesn't backfire on her.
Not only has she been replaced by a younger model, but she's been replaced with someone who doesn't have a fraction of her experience and expertise.
I do like Alesha, but I feel that she will be totally out of her depth in her new capacity as SCD judge.
Time will tell, I just hope it doesn't backfire on her.
Originally Posted by Xassy:
“I don't think anyone is saying Alesha isn't popular. A lot of us don't think she's judge material.”
“I don't think anyone is saying Alesha isn't popular. A lot of us don't think she's judge material.”
I know what you mean, but if the BBC were going to choose a former contestant then Alesha is a great choice imho. Personally I wouldn't have chosen Darcey either and can't see the logic of that decision either.
Originally Posted by memmh:
“You're being reasonable again, BuddyBon. That's not what we want to hear. *shakes head sadly*
But I have to agree with Xassy: it's nothing personal against Alesha, it's her lack of relevant experience and expertise that's the problem. I think they would have been better off finding a different role for her, rather than making her a judge.
Eg, she could have been very good as a mentor cum roving-reporter for ITT, whereby she could visit each contestant every week during training, giving moral support and updates on how the training's going.
Alternatively, Darcey and Alesha's roles should be the other way round: Darcey should be the full-time judge and Alesha the guest judge towards the end of the series.”
“You're being reasonable again, BuddyBon. That's not what we want to hear. *shakes head sadly*
But I have to agree with Xassy: it's nothing personal against Alesha, it's her lack of relevant experience and expertise that's the problem. I think they would have been better off finding a different role for her, rather than making her a judge.
Eg, she could have been very good as a mentor cum roving-reporter for ITT, whereby she could visit each contestant every week during training, giving moral support and updates on how the training's going.
Alternatively, Darcey and Alesha's roles should be the other way round: Darcey should be the full-time judge and Alesha the guest judge towards the end of the series.”
Ooops Sorry!
I understand why people are not happy and I agree about there being better roles she could have taken on - but if we had to had a former contest she would be my choice!
Originally Posted by newportjoe25:
“I think she was a better dancer full stop, by far.
I don't see how the style is much different- a Viennese Waltz is the same regardless isn't it? I'd say that some of the American Pros are much better than some of the British Pros.....”
“I think she was a better dancer full stop, by far.
I don't see how the style is much different- a Viennese Waltz is the same regardless isn't it? I'd say that some of the American Pros are much better than some of the British Pros.....”
Mel B was a fab dancer - very disciplined too - and I wish she's been on SCD instead of DWTS. But I'd choose Alesha over her any day.
The VW is different as in the USA they are allowed to be out of hold much more than over here - in fact I'm amazed at what they get away with in the USA when it comes to the VW. Nobody moans about feeling sick on DWTS when they are training for the VW!
When Arlene spoke about the dancing she was a good judge, but often she went off at a tangent (often lustful
) - I think Arlene has been moved side ways to the One Show because she couldn't keep her mouth shut to the media last year - we didn't like it and I doubt if the BBC did either.
Forget the John Sergeant episode, I notice it's the older woman who gets the boot. It's been said many times before one of the pro-dancers would have been a much better choice if Arlene was to be replaced.
I will probably not bother much with this series, last year was a pain in the neck because it's scheduled so early! And with this announcement the programme has lost an element of credibility.
I will probably not bother much with this series, last year was a pain in the neck because it's scheduled so early! And with this announcement the programme has lost an element of credibility.
Originally Posted by sweetcorn:
“I notice it's the older woman who gets the boot. It's been said many times before one of the pro-dancers would have been a much better choice if Arlene was to be replaced.”
“I notice it's the older woman who gets the boot. It's been said many times before one of the pro-dancers would have been a much better choice if Arlene was to be replaced.”
Yup, I completely agree with all that.
I don't have a problem with Alesha personally but I really don't think she's right person to be a judge.
Although, BuddyBon's probably right about giving Alesha a chance.
Well to be honest, it's their show, it will get good figures regardless of who is on.
Everybody as there likes and dislikes in the show BUT that is what makes the show so sucesfull.
Im just looking forward to it starting.
Anybody else feel like that.
Everybody as there likes and dislikes in the show BUT that is what makes the show so sucesfull.
Im just looking forward to it starting.
Anybody else feel like that.
Hmmm, I wonder if we might be missing the point a bit. I don't think the BBC are putting Alesha on the panel as an 'expert' - we already have three experts on the panel with tons of experience (potentially four with the addition of Darcy). maybe Alesha is supposed to be there more as the public voice - the entertainment side of things, of which she'd be a fine judge.
In the wake of the John Sargent stuff last year, a good portion of the viewers were screaming for the judges to consider the entertainment side of people's performances and I believe Alesha will do just that. I think it'll be nice and refreshing to have a more 'human' person on the panel rather than just four technique hounds.
That said - I'd have preferred it if she was coming in to replace Tess!
In the wake of the John Sargent stuff last year, a good portion of the viewers were screaming for the judges to consider the entertainment side of people's performances and I believe Alesha will do just that. I think it'll be nice and refreshing to have a more 'human' person on the panel rather than just four technique hounds.
That said - I'd have preferred it if she was coming in to replace Tess!
I just wish that someone, even if it was the tea lady who makes the tea for TPTB on SCD paid some attention to the long lists of excellent suggestions we make on here about what would make SCD a better show!
Originally Posted by fraggle_bean:
“Hmmm, I wonder if we might be missing the point a bit. I don't think the BBC are putting Alesha on the panel as an 'expert' - we already have three experts on the panel with tons of experience (potentially four with the addition of Darcy). maybe Alesha is supposed to be there more as the public voice - the entertainment side of things, of which she'd be a fine judge.
In the wake of the John Sargent stuff last year, a good portion of the viewers were screaming for the judges to consider the entertainment side of people's performances and I believe Alesha will do just that. I think it'll be nice and refreshing to have a more 'human' person on the panel rather than just four technique hounds.
That said - I'd have preferred it if she was coming in to replace Tess!”
“Hmmm, I wonder if we might be missing the point a bit. I don't think the BBC are putting Alesha on the panel as an 'expert' - we already have three experts on the panel with tons of experience (potentially four with the addition of Darcy). maybe Alesha is supposed to be there more as the public voice - the entertainment side of things, of which she'd be a fine judge.
In the wake of the John Sargent stuff last year, a good portion of the viewers were screaming for the judges to consider the entertainment side of people's performances and I believe Alesha will do just that. I think it'll be nice and refreshing to have a more 'human' person on the panel rather than just four technique hounds.
That said - I'd have preferred it if she was coming in to replace Tess!”
Excellent post!
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