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Old 10-07-2009, 12:27
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To be honest I never really bought the whole "Len marks on technicality, Craig marks on performance, Arlene marks on performance of choreography blah blah blah" stuff. They all marked on whatever stupid arbitrary scale they wanted. The show just said that to justify why any of the judges apart from Len were there, when none of them were "qualified" to be. Whatever "qualified" means.
Hello monkseal, not sure if we've met but your blog's brilliant.

I've always bought into the 'Len/technical, Craig/performance stuff because over time it seems to pan out that way. They're human, they have favourites and sometimes it affected their marking (it didn't bother me if their favourite was my favourite; it annoyed the hell out of me if my favourite wasn't the chosen one) but they each seemed to mark from a set viewpoint and Arlene was always trying to get to the essence of the dance, even if the footwork wasn't perfect.

The 'qualifications' I'd like to see from any judge would either be actual qualifications (I'm assuming you can 'qualify' to be a dance judge or teacher) or sufficient experience to be deemed knowledgable and competent and for your views to be respected within the field.

As much as I like Alesha, she just doesn't have the background to justify a place on the panel.
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Old 10-07-2009, 12:39
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I just think that Alesha judging professional ballroom dancers would be akin to Cheryl Cole judging somebody like Kelly Clarkson. In other words, a totally ridiculous scenario.
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Old 10-07-2009, 12:41
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http://www.thestage.co.uk/news/newss...-for-strictlys

^ He's worried that this decision might affect the current audience - I sort of agree. Whilst they are hoping to attract a younger audience they might lose some of the older ones, especially woman who might view this decision as sexist.

Thanks for posting that it was very interesting to hear Len's opinion - and I for one think he's spot on. And I do see this decision as sexist AND ageist - I hope Alesha remembers that one day she'll be the older woman getting ousted for the younger, prettier girl.

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To be fair Len also said in the same article

"But who knows, maybe Alesha will be fantastic and bring a different dynamic to the judging panel.”

I do think Len is the 'technical' lead on the judging panel.

Craig and Arlene would occasionally comment on technical aspects too, but Bruno was just a 'performance' judge (I use the word judge loosely when it comes to Bruno) who might use the word 'posture' now and then.

PS I am an older woman.
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Old 10-07-2009, 12:57
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Hello monkseal, not sure if we've met but your blog's brilliant.

I've always bought into the 'Len/technical, Craig/performance stuff because over time it seems to pan out that way. They're human, they have favourites and sometimes it affected their marking (it didn't bother me if their favourite was my favourite; it annoyed the hell out of me if my favourite wasn't the chosen one) but they each seemed to mark from a set viewpoint and Arlene was always trying to get to the essence of the dance, even if the footwork wasn't perfect.

The 'qualifications' I'd like to see from any judge would either be actual qualifications (I'm assuming you can 'qualify' to be a dance judge or teacher) or sufficient experience to be deemed knowledgable and competent and for your views to be respected within the field.

As much as I like Alesha, she just doesn't have the background to justify a place on the panel.
'ullo JohnFromWales. Praise from someone who can write is always worth twice as much.

I agree that the judges all mark from their own viewpoint (Bruno's usually being staring at the desk from underneath wondering where he is and how that pink giraffe got down here) but I don't think they're different say, in an ice skating sense where you get a score for technicality, and a score for interpretation.

Of all the judges where I can get a handle on their thought processes (ie all of them apart from Bruno) they seem to be marking on both a performance and technical level. Craig goes on about being excited by a performance but drones about about gapping and heel leads (and always gets the latter wrong). Arlene talks about sex and passion but has an arm fixation. Len will mark you high for your fleckerls but his score for Austin's paso last year showed that he thinks performance and style are important.

Bruno just scores whatever makes his heart race - I think you could actually probably replace Bruno with Alesha and it wouldn't make a HUGE difference, outside their personal prejudices - Alesha could just copy Len and occasionally knock the odd mark off a female as opposed to Bruno who does the same with the different gender

But Arlene? No way. And to be honest I find crazy old Bruno hilarious (and the only one who escaped from the aftermath of the Sergeant That Ate The Show and made it boring with any dignity) so I wouldn't even be happy about that.
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Old 10-07-2009, 13:37
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...I think you could actually probably replace Bruno with Alesha and it wouldn't make a HUGE difference...
You're right but, let's be honest, you could probably replace Bruno with an 8 on a stick, change it to a 10 for the last four weeks, and donate his wages to Brucie's retirement plan.

Of course, no-one's mentioned the biggest loss of all yet - where will I get my alliteration injections now?
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Old 10-07-2009, 14:36
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Does anybody out there know where I could find out just exactly what celebrities and pro dancers are in the 2009 strictly lineup?
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Old 10-07-2009, 15:04
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Does anybody out there know where I could find out just exactly what celebrities and pro dancers are in the 2009 strictly lineup?
Come back in late August/early September

The BBC will announce it in a press conference nearer the time. Most of the names are usually leaked in the tabloids in the weeks leading up to the press conference.

As far as we know the pro dancers this year will be the same as last year except for Camilla and Hayley, who will be replaced with two foreign pros.
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Old 10-07-2009, 15:18
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As far as we know the pro dancers this year will be the same as last year except for Camilla and Hayley, who will be replaced with two foreign pros.
Is Hayley definitley not returning?
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Old 10-07-2009, 15:20
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Is Hayley definitley not returning?
As far as I am aware she is not
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Old 10-07-2009, 15:58
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But Is It Looking Likely That Brian Fortuna Will Be Returning - Does Anybody Know That?
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Old 10-07-2009, 20:02
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But Is It Looking Likely That Brian Fortuna Will Be Returning - Does Anybody Know That?
On the 'dance grapevine' it is said that both Brian and Kristina have been signed up for this year.
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Old 10-07-2009, 23:13
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You're right but, let's be honest, you could probably replace Bruno with an 8 on a stick, change it to a 10 for the last four weeks, and donate his wages to Brucie's retirement plan.

Of course, no-one's mentioned the biggest loss of all yet - where will I get my alliteration injections now?


(Cracking comment about Bruno BTW )
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Old 10-07-2009, 23:39
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Why has Camilla left
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Old 11-07-2009, 00:01
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If they were going to replace Arlene, they should not have chosen someone whose knowledge of dancing was acquired on the show. Alesha has been chosen on popularity and will not add anything other than an annoying laugh.
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Old 11-07-2009, 13:54
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Why has Camilla left
She just felt it was the right time to go (she announced it live in an interview on TV the day after the final).
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Old 11-07-2009, 15:05
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Given the lack of positive response on this towards Alesha becoming the new judge- do you think there is any possibility that she will reconsider and stand aside for another more experienced figure

Does she really need this bad publicity
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Old 11-07-2009, 15:13
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Given the lack of positive response on this towards Alesha becoming the new judge- do you think there is any possibility that she will reconsider and stand aside for another more experienced figure
Not a chance. She will take her money and won't give a toss. If she had any sense of what's right she wouldn't have accepted the job in the first place.
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Old 11-07-2009, 15:13
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I was going to boycott the show, but I will just FF her as I do with Karen Hardy.

What on earth the Beeb is playing at, I don't know. Surely there are some younger, interesting PROS who could have done the job. What on earth does Alesha know about it FFS?

She annoyed me as a competitor, and I wish she would just disappear to be honest.
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Old 11-07-2009, 15:18
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Alesha is being used as a marketing tool by Jay Hunt- you know- the you would be wonderful dahrling bit....
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Old 11-07-2009, 15:24
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Alesha is being used as a marketing tool by Jay Hunt- you know- the you would be wonderful dahrling bit....
To market what exactly?
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Old 11-07-2009, 15:27
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To market what exactly?
I'll PM you
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Old 11-07-2009, 15:38
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Who is Jay Hunt?
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Old 11-07-2009, 15:40
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The "controller" of BBC 1- well alleged controller anyway

The bright spark who came up with this asinine idea of replacing Arlene with Alesha
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Old 11-07-2009, 15:50
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The "controller" of BBC 1- well alleged controller anyway

The bright spark who came up with this asinine idea of replacing Arlene with Alesha
Thanks
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Old 11-07-2009, 16:00
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The imbecile who has ruined Strictly- is Jay Hunt
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