Wonder what the changes will look like that were announced today at the press launch

Report here about two thirds down says

" There has also been a rejig of how the voting works, after the row that engulfed the show last year.

This year, following an audit by consultants KPMG, there has been a change in the way the number of votes will be allocated. "

Does anyone know any more about this?

No ... but this is potentially even more interesting than changing the judging panel.

A shame that Bruno appears to be returning ...

I agree this could be a biggie - I hope if they've gone to the bother of consulting their auditors they will announce something sensible, but knowing the BBC...

Re Bruno - I would have agreed 100% before the last series.

Just to read the tea leaves a little "change in the way the number of votes are allocated" sounds a little like they might be switching to the American proportional system. If so I'll be pleased, because I've adovcated that for a while now.

Sadly it doesn't sound like the end of the dance-off.

Don't tell me you were a fan of him doing that stretch with his leg?

Sorry - I used to think he was OK but that execrable 'my girls' comment tipped me over the edge.

I don't think we will see the end of the dance-off. Or the Sunday night show. I could be wrong, but I'd wager the Friday night reference is either a one-off or a remark designed to furrow brows at ITV.

i think they should keep dance off but defo need to change sumin to stop things getting messed up

i don't really mind about what happens though
i'm just a happy bunny it's gunna be on soon
2 months and 10 days (i think)

dead exited whoooo
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I hope the voting system does change. I felt it after Gethin got knocked out (sorry to bring it up!) because I suspected that the most popular with the public still left the show. If it is an entertainment show, then I think the public's favourite should always be safe, because we're voting for who we want to see!

Most sensible comment I've seen on these forums for a long time!!

As anybody working is the field of psephology will tell you, a straight "vote for your favourite one" poll is no way to measure true popularity.

Care to elaborate?

It's too blunt. What if someone if everyone's second favourite? What if the "favourite" has an even larger number of people who hate their guts than like them? And so on and so on.

Never mind the errors of a system that places greater weight on rabid multi-voters, people who are voting to spite the judges rather than because of actually liking someone etc etc.

There is no perfect popularity measuring system. Or at least not enough of one for people to get on a high horse about how it HAS to be done.

Don't get me wrong - Bruno would have been my first choice to go before last series, but for me Arlene was worse overall with her even more blatant favouritism and when she spoke to the media. I'd have been happy if they were both replaced.


Me too - we've had many threads about the good things we could take from DWTS and their scoring system is just one of them.

Can someone explain what this DWTS proportional voting system is please?

Have a look here near the bottom of the page.

Thanks

No problem. It does work out to be a fairer system - I remember trying out a couple of examples last series.

Or indeed that the voters are a self selecting small minority of the viewers more likely to be driven by some factor totally unconnected to performance.

Or that in recent years the polls suggest that fewer people vote, they are even more self selecting and, according to polls, 40-60% are voting anti-judge or to save whoever might go rather than to reward performance.

I think the American system sounds really good bur it may encourage the judges to overmark their favourites and undermark their least favourites to get their judges percentage down

Looks ridiculous. US voting must be more mature. John Sargeant would have got 5% from the judges and 60% from the public. He would have won being useless. Rachel would have got 15% from the judges early on and 2% from the public.The show would have been a farce.

The need is to get the worst people out and to keep the best in or you might as well end the show on night one with a male beauty pageant or a falling over or joke telling competition.

They need to make only the worst half of the leaderboard available to the public to vote for early on and then let the judges pick who goes from the bottom 2 in a dance off..

The face of factual? Huh?

I guess I need a translation. And Arlene will be making films about dance for The One Show?

Are they keeping Claudia Winkleman - or is that another channel?

Sorry for all the stupid questions - I'm on the wrong side of the pond and very confused

Oh and I mostly like your judging system better than ours. Except one season we had an ordinal system, not that I remember exactly how it worked - 1st place with judges and 12th place with fans gave you 13 points - something like that - anyway, I think I'd like that best.

Actually, I think it should be like American Idol where the fan vote is all that counts. The judges' scores are manipulated so much - but then so are their comments and the VT edits - I guess there's no way to suit me so never mind...

On the surface, I'd agree.

HOWEVER ...

If the judges are remarking the performances, there is still potential for their blatant favouritism to be reflected in their new scores.

More significantly, will the judges be primed about the viewers' votes, as they obviously were in SCD6? The oh-so evident manipulation of their marks to try and overrule the public's preferences was ultimately what cast such a shadow over the last series and left many of us with a bitter aftertaste.

It wasn't just that the judges got out of control - it was the voting system that allowed them to do that.

Hi Elsa,

Just to answer your questions (which aren't stupid btw )

The One Show is a magazine show that goes out nightly on BBC1 on 7pm. Former SCD contestant Christine Bleakley is one of the hosts and Dominic Littlewood is a reporter on it.

From what I can gather Arlene will be reporting from the studio once a week (as she did on ITT). Should be interesting if the rumours that Christine's co-host Adrian Chiles is competing this year are true.

ITT is in BBC2 at 6:30 and Claudia will still be in the chair

Thanks, Quizmike

I really am happier, knowing they've given Arlene at least something to compensate. I know she even directed the Strictly tour in early '08 (with Matt di Angelo, Louisa Lytton, Darren Gough, etc.)

And I'm sure she'll be happy to be working with sweet Dominic again though I guess they might not see each other if her segments are a separate thing from the regular show.

I'm sad I won't ever get to see it (The One Show) but her being BBC's new 'face of factual' does soften the blow. Dear Marzipan has posted ITT's in the past so I became infatuated with Claudia that way - hope she's able to post them again. I'd rather watch her than anything else re Strictly, I think.

On the face of it the US system does look fairer.

You will never stop people voting for their favourites irrespective of how they danced - rabid voters as Monkseal called them - Matt Di Angelo a case in point!

The judges seemed to run the show in SCD6, they seemed to forget they were there as impartial observers.

Elsa you maybe able watch The One show through BBC iplayer.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/

BBC iplayer lets you watch programmes which have been on BBC in the last 7 days.

Hope it works then you could watch Claudia as well