They were all boring, some less than others, that's all. :yawn:
So, Why Did BB4 Fail To Entertain?
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“Originally posted by Emzi
BB producers learned from Jade that conflict makes Big Brother. So they picked pairs of 'conflict pairs' who would come to blows once inside the house. For example:
Athiest, scientist Jon with Bible-bashing Cameron.
Steph the poor, moralistic, dowdy ex-footballer's Wife versus Tania the monied, glamourous girlfriend of a footballer. (The battle of the Footballer's Wives)
Controversy-loving Fed was there to wind up flower-girl Nush (and it started to work in the end).
Had she stayed longer - I could have forseen almight rows between finicky, picky eater Sissy and everyone!
etc etc. Where did it go wrong?
1) Fed failed the tasks. No shopping list equals no alcohol equals few heated debates or naughty behaviour.
2) Housemates too media-savvy. They know bitching will be the end of them so it was done very subtly (Kate and Jonny were masters of this last year). So most of them were "nice" and bland except Ray, who cried and rowed and was the deserved runner-up because of this. You may not like him but as least he was real. And Jon and Fed of course.
While watching some housemates (Nush, Tania, Sissy, Cameron, Justine, Scott among them) in about week 2 while doing Live Updates one morning and listened to them talking on the brightly-coloured sofas and I remember thinking to myself "my god - they're all treating their Big Brother experience as an anti-room to their inevitable TV careers - it's like watching GMTV Training School".
The South Africa trip was too contrived for me. And the fact that it was leaked to the papers ruined it.
The winners are too predictable. I know Brian would win after about week 2. I knew Kate would win the minute she walked up the stairs and into the house. I knew Cameron would win after just seeing his audition tape.
I also find that the design of the house doesn't really change much and that's pretty boring. Did you see the spaceship that was the BB Auz house? Or the scruffy cosiness of the hostel that was the BB Africa house? Not only do the contestants have any character, the house doesn't either.
Add to that the fact that people are very cynical about Big Brother now - for so many reasons - and living in the shadow of BB's 1,2, and 3 - BB4 was bound to fail. ”
“Originally posted by Emzi
BB producers learned from Jade that conflict makes Big Brother. So they picked pairs of 'conflict pairs' who would come to blows once inside the house. For example:
Athiest, scientist Jon with Bible-bashing Cameron.
Steph the poor, moralistic, dowdy ex-footballer's Wife versus Tania the monied, glamourous girlfriend of a footballer. (The battle of the Footballer's Wives)
Controversy-loving Fed was there to wind up flower-girl Nush (and it started to work in the end).
Had she stayed longer - I could have forseen almight rows between finicky, picky eater Sissy and everyone!
etc etc. Where did it go wrong?
1) Fed failed the tasks. No shopping list equals no alcohol equals few heated debates or naughty behaviour.
2) Housemates too media-savvy. They know bitching will be the end of them so it was done very subtly (Kate and Jonny were masters of this last year). So most of them were "nice" and bland except Ray, who cried and rowed and was the deserved runner-up because of this. You may not like him but as least he was real. And Jon and Fed of course.
While watching some housemates (Nush, Tania, Sissy, Cameron, Justine, Scott among them) in about week 2 while doing Live Updates one morning and listened to them talking on the brightly-coloured sofas and I remember thinking to myself "my god - they're all treating their Big Brother experience as an anti-room to their inevitable TV careers - it's like watching GMTV Training School".
The South Africa trip was too contrived for me. And the fact that it was leaked to the papers ruined it.
The winners are too predictable. I know Brian would win after about week 2. I knew Kate would win the minute she walked up the stairs and into the house. I knew Cameron would win after just seeing his audition tape.
I also find that the design of the house doesn't really change much and that's pretty boring. Did you see the spaceship that was the BB Auz house? Or the scruffy cosiness of the hostel that was the BB Africa house? Not only do the contestants have any character, the house doesn't either.
Add to that the fact that people are very cynical about Big Brother now - for so many reasons - and living in the shadow of BB's 1,2, and 3 - BB4 was bound to fail. ”
You raise some very interesting points.
I enjoy BB a lot and I tend to view Endemol in a good light accordingly as they are the creators. Whenever you see their employees and producers on TV they are all pretty young and enthusiastic and idealistic and when they say they want to look after the HM’s during the run and make them appear as reasonably nice people –which they all are-I tend to believe them –based upon my experience(albeit limited)
I am not part of the negative -conspiracy party people who have a good run on these threads.
Obviously they have to generate the cash and that means good TV but that is what everyone wants.
They select nice people and get some sort of balance of different types of character and stand back and see what happens. It is utterly unpredictable in my opinion from the moment they go in the house. People behave differently to expectations.
(The tabloids do what they want of course)
I do not think they “edit” in favour of anyone or against anyone-they tend to show the interesting/exciting bits-what a surprise.
Tasks are tailored some times to suit but it evens out.
Personally I went ballistic when I heard about the double eviction in BB4-I thought “The bastards want Jon out” but on reflection they always want another in and no one was going to walk by then and they had to create room somehow.(How was Josh managed in BB2-cannot remember?) It could easily have been pre planned and diarised as a probable event.
You must be very rich! I hope you got good money out of your foresight on the winners.
Perhaps we could spend an evening together down Walthamstow way–we would not even need Paul McKenna.
Personally I thought Cameron had no chance having a tiny constituency(allegedly).
And I thought Jonny and Alex and Spencer were clear favourites after a few days.
Brian I agree had it won after a few weeks-mainly because the competition was pretty dire.(allegedly)
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“Originally posted by Vilt UK
You must be very rich! I hope you got good money out of your foresight on the winners.
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“Originally posted by Vilt UK
You must be very rich! I hope you got good money out of your foresight on the winners.
”
Unfortunately not Vilt - as I never put more than £5 on any reality TV bet. But if my hunch is as strong (and as accurate) this year - I may actually be tempted to put loads on!
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“Originally posted by Emzi
Unfortunately not Vilt - as I never put more than £5 on any reality TV bet. But if my hunch is as strong (and as accurate) this year - I may actually be tempted to put loads on! ”
“Originally posted by Emzi
Unfortunately not Vilt - as I never put more than £5 on any reality TV bet. But if my hunch is as strong (and as accurate) this year - I may actually be tempted to put loads on! ”
The transition from being a fun punter to a mug punter.
Just watched my copy of the BB3 DVD today and had a good old giggle. BB3 was fantastic in bringing us entertainment, conflict and supprisses. The final four (Alex, Johnny, Jade and Kate) were all deserving of their place and I think it was the best final 4 in Big Brother UK History. I still can't decide whether the bars were a good thing or not, I think it was good that it only lasted for 3 weeks. I think BB3 was the best ever (I can't remember what BB2 was like).
I now ask for BB5 that we have a male version of Jade
. I was also thinking whether they could put someone who is say 3 months pregnant in the house? Would be interesting to watch..
I now ask for BB5 that we have a male version of Jade
. I was also thinking whether they could put someone who is say 3 months pregnant in the house? Would be interesting to watch..
If Endemol is pinning its hopes on a Jade clone to recreate the success of BB3 they'll be disappointed. Jade, as caricatured by the tabloids, may have drawn people to watch the show but she couldn't hold them. That was down to other hms - mainly Alex in my opinion. 
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“Originally posted by CloneClown
Just watched my copy of the BB3 DVD today and had a good old giggle. BB3 was fantastic in bringing us entertainment, conflict and supprisses. The final four (Alex, Johnny, Jade and Kate) were all deserving of their place and I think it was the best final 4 in Big Brother UK History. I still can't decide whether the bars were a good thing or not, I think it was good that it only lasted for 3 weeks. I think BB3 was the best ever (I can't remember what BB2 was like).
I now ask for BB5 that we have a male version of Jade. I was also thinking whether they could put someone who is say 3 months pregnant in the house? Would be interesting to watch.. ”
“Originally posted by CloneClown
Just watched my copy of the BB3 DVD today and had a good old giggle. BB3 was fantastic in bringing us entertainment, conflict and supprisses. The final four (Alex, Johnny, Jade and Kate) were all deserving of their place and I think it was the best final 4 in Big Brother UK History. I still can't decide whether the bars were a good thing or not, I think it was good that it only lasted for 3 weeks. I think BB3 was the best ever (I can't remember what BB2 was like).
I now ask for BB5 that we have a male version of Jade
. I was also thinking whether they could put someone who is say 3 months pregnant in the house? Would be interesting to watch.. ”
I agree very strongly with your view on BB3.
Interestingly I thought the edited DVD was rubbish and missed loads too much out.
A male version of Jade?Interesting concept-deserves a thread if not a whole website on its own-I thought it was Jades feminine side that made her likeable-so the mind boggles.
It was 4 weeks by the way-pedantic.(Katie had a run of three weeks after being rich for one week first)
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“Originally posted by darling
That was down to other hms - mainly Alex in my opinion. ”
“Originally posted by darling
That was down to other hms - mainly Alex in my opinion.
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although perhaps not a majority opinion given the voting of 5-2 in favour of the dreamteam combo
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“Originally posted by Emzi
Unfortunately not Vilt - as I never put more than £5 on any reality TV bet. But if my hunch is as strong (and as accurate) this year - I may actually be tempted to put loads on! ”
“Originally posted by Emzi
Unfortunately not Vilt - as I never put more than £5 on any reality TV bet. But if my hunch is as strong (and as accurate) this year - I may actually be tempted to put loads on! ”
you pick em-I'll stake em
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“Originally posted by Vilt UK
although perhaps not a majority opinion given the voting of 5-2 in favour of the dreamteam combo ”
“Originally posted by Vilt UK
although perhaps not a majority opinion given the voting of 5-2 in favour of the dreamteam combo
”
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“Originally posted by Vilt UK
although perhaps not a majority opinion given the voting of 5-2 in favour of the dreamteam combo ”
“Originally posted by Vilt UK
although perhaps not a majority opinion given the voting of 5-2 in favour of the dreamteam combo
”
"Dreamteams" have a habit of rapidly turning rancid. Blair/Prescott is another example! I doubt that Endemol/C4 consider that Lawler/Regan was much of a "dreamteam" or worth their while favouring now.
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