Sony movies deal for BT Vision

paulpocket · 27-07-2009, 13:56

http://www.techradar.com/news/televi...-vision-620031

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Sony movies deal for BT Vision
Key deal for BT's IPTV service
By Patrick Goss1 hour ago

BT has announced that it has sealed an agreement with Sony Pictures Television for new and classic movies on demand for its BT Vision service.

The deal represents a key move for BT, whose BT Vision IPTV service has perhaps not performed as well as it had anticipated.

Customers will now be able to watch the likes of the latest Terminator movie – Terminator Salvation – as well as a back-catalogue of key releases.

BT delight

Marc Watson, chief executive of television and online services, BT Retail, said: "We're delighted to reach agreement with Sony Pictures so that we can offer BT Vision customers many exciting films and classic hits from one of Hollywood's best and most respected studios.

"The addition of Sony Pictures movies to BT Vision is a substantial, high profile addition to our service. It means we now have long-term deals with all the major studios."

wwwebber · 27-07-2009, 14:10

I wasnt aware that BTVision was not currently showing any Sony pictures films

. I assume that includes studios like Columbia which is owned by Sony.

Anyway, this is very good news

R.nesbitt · 27-07-2009, 16:25

How much will we Have to Pay for them I Know that picture box is Free but the Normal ones are between £1.95 and £3.95 also £4.95for HD if you Have the time to Download it

stuntmaster · 27-07-2009, 17:30

and this explains the loss of HD films at present. usually films go on a few months cycle run, so we'd be getting a shed load of HD films from sony then.

nice.

when they go quiet, you know theyre upto something.

So matterhorn, they aint gone bust have they if they've signed up Sony and now challenging Sky.

c'mon BT if you pull this off i'll be very appy!

Matterhorn · 29-07-2009, 10:37

Quote:

Originally Posted by stuntmaster

and this explains the loss of HD films at present. usually films go on a few months cycle run, so we'd be getting a shed load of HD films from sony then.

nice.

when they go quiet, you know theyre upto something.

So matterhorn, they aint gone bust have they if they've signed up Sony and now challenging Sky.

c'mon BT if you pull this off i'll be very appy!

1. I never said BT were going bust I said they had no money..... no sorry, their own balance sheet said they had no money.

2. This deal isn't an investment by BT its a wholesale rental deal, meaning BT will pay SONY a fee only when someone rents the film. I have also been unable to find any quote or story attributable to a SONY person about the deal, maybe they were embarrassed?

3. Challenging Sky? How..?

438k users (people with the box but not necessarily paying anything) versus 9 million+...??

unless BT gets taken over its far more likely that BTV will fold rather than challenge SKY

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/c...-new-look.html

MrInfo · 29-07-2009, 12:29

BT have got a long, long way to go, before they can compete with Sky. Unless Fibre optics & some hard investment into the platform, happens quickly, the future isn't looking that bright for BTV and I subscribe to it.

I have a horrible gut feeling that if BT Vision is sold, I may end up as a Sky customer again and not by choice

What a fantastic opportunity for Sky it would be, to buy the BTV On Demand platform, reprogram it and make it work on the Sky platform.

Still I was doing the maths for Sky & BTV and technically I could go back to Sky (Movies, BB, Sky Entertainment packs) for an additional £11 per month, compared to BTV & BT BB. However, that's an extra £132 per year

Quite a bit of money these days.

Hopefully BT can turn it all around, but I'm not entirely sure how, unless they heavily invest in the BTV platform and Fibre Optics (BB) to improve the overall picture and delivery of the programming. At the end of the day, that has been Sky's key to their sucess, through heavy investment in their platform.

I hope things do improve for BTV as it is a fantastic idea and could be so much, more, with the right investment.

Still that said, it will be interesting to see if Sky gives in and finally wholesales it's programming out to companies like BT Vision. They probably will, but it will be very small or extremely expensive aka price rise for subscribers to Vision.

wwwebber · 29-07-2009, 12:55

BTVision will come into its own when FTTC becomes widespread. Dont forget, BTVision is not meant to compete with Sky - if it went toe to toe with Sky it would lose. Sky currently doesnt offer a VOD service so thats why BTVision exists. If Sky did start to offer VOD then I think BT has a big issue on its hands.

Lastly, not everyone wants sport - this is something alot of people tend to forget.

scotty2808 · 29-07-2009, 18:02

Quote:

Originally Posted by wwwebber

BTVision will come into its own when FTTC becomes widespread. Dont forget, BTVision is not meant to compete with Sky - if it went toe to toe with Sky it would lose. Sky currently doesnt offer a VOD service so thats why BTVision exists. If Sky did start to offer VOD then I think BT has a big issue on its hands.

wwwebber - it will come into it's own if Canvas can be launched. the archives and delivery method will help make VOD scalable.

i would go on a limb to suggest it will make BBC/ITV/C4/C5 HD content more prolific over copper (when combined with FTTC and in some cases ADSL2 - provided the ADSL2 line is reliable).

with regards to Sky integrating VOD in a settop box - is there a value in this ?

4OD carry Desperate Housewives sometimes 2 or 3 weeks ahead of broadcast on E4 but you have to pay for this as they don't have the rights for VOD.

here is the killer question based on Sky also not having the rights:

After paying Sky £16 a month for Sky1 - who would pay for a VOD system at £2 a time when Sky repeat stuff so often?

I can't see Sky launching their own VOD network to replace satellite as I can't work out the value. They couldn't scale unicast streams on mass which would be an expensive/only method of doing it.

I can see them integrating Canvas though which is not competing with the BTV service.

scotty2808 · 29-07-2009, 18:09

Quote:

Originally Posted by wwwebber

I wasnt aware that BTVision was not currently showing any Sony pictures films

. I assume that includes studios like Columbia which is owned by Sony.

Anyway, this is very good news

I wasn't aware that there were no Sony films but I'm not really fussy at the moment with BTV films.

I've said it before - I need a subscription for films to make it worthwhile.

I have lovefilm and get a lot more value than i would from BTV. Sorry for repeating myself - but if they launched "all you could eat" films for ~£15 I would subscribe. That would double the income from 1 customer.

Wonder how many of the other 400k on the service would feel this way ?

27-07-2009, 13:56	#1
paulpocket Forum Member Join Date: May 2005 Location: Glasgow Posts: 135	Sony movies deal for BT Vision http://www.techradar.com/news/televi...-vision-620031 Quote: Sony movies deal for BT Vision Key deal for BT's IPTV service By Patrick Goss1 hour ago BT has announced that it has sealed an agreement with Sony Pictures Television for new and classic movies on demand for its BT Vision service. The deal represents a key move for BT, whose BT Vision IPTV service has perhaps not performed as well as it had anticipated. Customers will now be able to watch the likes of the latest Terminator movie – Terminator Salvation – as well as a back-catalogue of key releases. BT delight Marc Watson, chief executive of television and online services, BT Retail, said: "We're delighted to reach agreement with Sony Pictures so that we can offer BT Vision customers many exciting films and classic hits from one of Hollywood's best and most respected studios. "The addition of Sony Pictures movies to BT Vision is a substantial, high profile addition to our service. It means we now have long-term deals with all the major studios."

27-07-2009, 16:25	#3
R.nesbitt Forum Member Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Lisburn Co Antrim Northern Ire Posts: 182	Sony Movies How much will we Have to Pay for them I Know that picture box is Free but the Normal ones are between £1.95 and £3.95 also £4.95for HD if you Have the time to Download it

27-07-2009, 14:10	#2
wwwebber Forum Member Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: Nottingham Posts: 3,536	I wasnt aware that BTVision was not currently showing any Sony pictures films . I assume that includes studios like Columbia which is owned by Sony. Anyway, this is very good news

27-07-2009, 17:30	#4
stuntmaster Forum Member Join Date: May 2005 Location: Southampton - Hannington - TX Posts: 4,878	and this explains the loss of HD films at present. usually films go on a few months cycle run, so we'd be getting a shed load of HD films from sony then. nice. when they go quiet, you know theyre upto something. So matterhorn, they aint gone bust have they if they've signed up Sony and now challenging Sky. c'mon BT if you pull this off i'll be very appy!

29-07-2009, 10:37	#5
Matterhorn Inactive Member Join Date: Mar 2009 Posts: 729	Quote: Originally Posted by stuntmaster and this explains the loss of HD films at present. usually films go on a few months cycle run, so we'd be getting a shed load of HD films from sony then. nice. when they go quiet, you know theyre upto something. So matterhorn, they aint gone bust have they if they've signed up Sony and now challenging Sky. c'mon BT if you pull this off i'll be very appy! 1. I never said BT were going bust I said they had no money..... no sorry, their own balance sheet said they had no money. 2. This deal isn't an investment by BT its a wholesale rental deal, meaning BT will pay SONY a fee only when someone rents the film. I have also been unable to find any quote or story attributable to a SONY person about the deal, maybe they were embarrassed? 3. Challenging Sky? How..? 438k users (people with the box but not necessarily paying anything) versus 9 million+...?? unless BT gets taken over its far more likely that BTV will fold rather than challenge SKY http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/c...-new-look.html

29-07-2009, 12:29	#6
MrInfo Forum Member Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Kent. Posts: 64	BT have got a long, long way to go, before they can compete with Sky. Unless Fibre optics & some hard investment into the platform, happens quickly, the future isn't looking that bright for BTV and I subscribe to it. I have a horrible gut feeling that if BT Vision is sold, I may end up as a Sky customer again and not by choice What a fantastic opportunity for Sky it would be, to buy the BTV On Demand platform, reprogram it and make it work on the Sky platform. Still I was doing the maths for Sky & BTV and technically I could go back to Sky (Movies, BB, Sky Entertainment packs) for an additional £11 per month, compared to BTV & BT BB. However, that's an extra £132 per year Quite a bit of money these days. Hopefully BT can turn it all around, but I'm not entirely sure how, unless they heavily invest in the BTV platform and Fibre Optics (BB) to improve the overall picture and delivery of the programming. At the end of the day, that has been Sky's key to their sucess, through heavy investment in their platform. I hope things do improve for BTV as it is a fantastic idea and could be so much, more, with the right investment. Still that said, it will be interesting to see if Sky gives in and finally wholesales it's programming out to companies like BT Vision. They probably will, but it will be very small or extremely expensive aka price rise for subscribers to Vision.

29-07-2009, 12:55	#7
wwwebber Forum Member Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: Nottingham Posts: 3,536	BTVision will come into its own when FTTC becomes widespread. Dont forget, BTVision is not meant to compete with Sky - if it went toe to toe with Sky it would lose. Sky currently doesnt offer a VOD service so thats why BTVision exists. If Sky did start to offer VOD then I think BT has a big issue on its hands. Lastly, not everyone wants sport - this is something alot of people tend to forget.

29-07-2009, 18:02	#8
scotty2808 Forum Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Posts: 435	Quote: Originally Posted by wwwebber BTVision will come into its own when FTTC becomes widespread. Dont forget, BTVision is not meant to compete with Sky - if it went toe to toe with Sky it would lose. Sky currently doesnt offer a VOD service so thats why BTVision exists. If Sky did start to offer VOD then I think BT has a big issue on its hands. wwwebber - it will come into it's own if Canvas can be launched. the archives and delivery method will help make VOD scalable. i would go on a limb to suggest it will make BBC/ITV/C4/C5 HD content more prolific over copper (when combined with FTTC and in some cases ADSL2 - provided the ADSL2 line is reliable). with regards to Sky integrating VOD in a settop box - is there a value in this ? 4OD carry Desperate Housewives sometimes 2 or 3 weeks ahead of broadcast on E4 but you have to pay for this as they don't have the rights for VOD. here is the killer question based on Sky also not having the rights: After paying Sky £16 a month for Sky1 - who would pay for a VOD system at £2 a time when Sky repeat stuff so often? I can't see Sky launching their own VOD network to replace satellite as I can't work out the value. They couldn't scale unicast streams on mass which would be an expensive/only method of doing it. I can see them integrating Canvas though which is not competing with the BTV service.

29-07-2009, 18:09	#9
scotty2808 Forum Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Posts: 435	Quote: Originally Posted by wwwebber I wasnt aware that BTVision was not currently showing any Sony pictures films . I assume that includes studios like Columbia which is owned by Sony. Anyway, this is very good news I wasn't aware that there were no Sony films but I'm not really fussy at the moment with BTV films. I've said it before - I need a subscription for films to make it worthwhile. I have lovefilm and get a lot more value than i would from BTV. Sorry for repeating myself - but if they launched "all you could eat" films for ~£15 I would subscribe. That would double the income from 1 customer. Wonder how many of the other 400k on the service would feel this way ?

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