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Old 30-07-2009, 08:10
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If they reduced the numbers of couples to twelve they would save nearly £300,000!
But the BBC would have had to find money to pay for programming to fill the gaps in the schedules created by no Sat/Sun SCD, and no ITT over those weeks, a point also made by a couple of other posters.
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Old 30-07-2009, 08:15
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Unfortunately although they'd "save" by doing that, they would then have to spend money on a Saturday peak-time programme for those early weeks. I shudder to think what dire rubbish we'd get.
In my opinion I think it does go on for too many weeks now.
But as a show, how long can it continue?

As I see it, all these new "initiatives" with which they come up each year lesson the programme.

"Come Dancing" went on for years, it's death was more to do with poor presentation, (Rosemary Ford for cryin' out loud), moving it around the schedules and those two clowns Donnie Burns and Gaynor Fairweather camera hogging and so in your face all the time.
That's one thing that we can both agree on.
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Old 30-07-2009, 08:44
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I wouldn't be at all surprised if a big majority of the SCD audience watched Brucie in the same Time Slots 35 or whatever years ago . In that sense he is vital to the show and 500k is actually the market rate for the return he brings in. Put another way how many people do you think watch for Brucie and how many for Craig - if their salaries reflect that they are right in market terms.
Bruce has never been a draw for me, I've always found him unfunny even in his hay day. In fact I very nearly didn't watch the first series because he was involved.
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Old 30-07-2009, 09:32
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Bruce has never been a draw for me, I've always found him unfunny even in his hay day. In fact I very nearly didn't watch the first series because he was involved.
I assume you mean heyday, anything else conjures up some strange picures
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Old 30-07-2009, 10:49
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That could have been me.

Nicole told us about (I think) her tango week with Barnesy and that she gave the BBC a list of 5 songs she would like to use and they refused them all... and then she gave some more (while training John on a certain song) but again refused... and the Beeb turned round and gave her a song I think only 2 days before the show.
It might have been but I'm not sure. I remember reading what you are referring to, but I don't remember a negative ending. I thought it was a more general thing (it may not have been Nicole - that might be where I am getting confused - I am easily confused!

I wouldn't be at all surprised if a big majority of the SCD audience watched Brucie in the same Time Slots 35 or whatever years ago . In that sense he is vital to the show and 500k is actually the market rate for the return he brings in. Put another way how many people do you think watch for Brucie and how many for Craig - if their salaries reflect that they are right in market terms.
I'll admit to watching Bruce on The Generation Game as a child, but I didn't watch any of his other shows until he did Strictly.

That's not to say I wasn't aware of just how many shows he was part of which was a lot (if anyone doubts this then check this out), so I am not surprised in the least he is so highly paid.

I definitely don't watch for Bruce, but he is an integral part of the show for me and I doubt if a lot of people realise how skilful he is at his job - even making fun of his dodderiness (is that a word?). Bruce will never be everyone's favourite, but then nobody ever is. Like it or not the man is a legend.
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Old 30-07-2009, 10:59
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I'll admit to watching Bruce on The Generation Game as a child, but I didn't watch any of his other shows until he did Strictly.

That's not to say I wasn't aware of just how many shows he was part of which was a lot (if anyone doubts this then check this out), so I am not surprised in the least he is so highly paid.

I definitely don't watch for Bruce, but he is an integral part of the show for me and I doubt if a lot of people realise how skilful he is at his job - even making fun of his dodderiness (is that a word?). Bruce will never be everyone's favourite, but then nobody ever is. Like it or not the man is a legend.
I agree with you there Buddy - Bruce is an integral part of the show - bad jokes and puns too, he is the consumate entertainer and has been for 60+ years.

People say about replacing Bruce and Tess as though they are a package - Tess could (and should in my opinion) be replaced in an instant - Bruce's shoes will be very tricky to fill.
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Old 30-07-2009, 11:02
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I agree with you there Buddy - Bruce is an integral part of the show - bad jokes and puns too, he is the consumate entertainer and has been for 60+ years.

People say about replacing Bruce and Tess as though they are a package - Tess could (and should in my opinion) be replaced in an instant - Bruce's shoes will be very tricky to fill.
I don't have a particular problem with Tess, but you could definitely swap her for somebody else and I wouldn't notice much difference!

Bruce on the other hand is a different kettle of fish and who ever takes over from him will have an impact on the show - for better or worse!
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Old 30-07-2009, 11:24
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Kate Thornton did an excellent job on the tour - she referred to couples previous experiences, knew their winning/losing records and did all of this with a sense of humour.

All Tess seemed bothered with last year was getting Mark Foster to parade about in a pair of pants ( can I also add -the whole 'top off final dance' craze that started last year (mark, austin)made me heave)
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Old 30-07-2009, 11:26
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Kate Thornton did an excellent job on the tour - she referred to couples previous experiences, knew their winning/losing records and did all of this with a sense of humour.

All Tess seemed bothered with last year was getting Mark Foster to parade about in a pair of pants ( can I also add -the whole 'top off final dance' craze that started last year (mark, austin)made me heave)
I liked Kate Thornton on X-Factor and I've watched the SCD Tour DVD and thought she did a good job.
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Old 30-07-2009, 11:30
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For cryin' out loud!

I wish people wouldn't bang on about replacing Bruce.

This is the BBC remember, with (so called) stars on golden handcuff deals now earning more than their market value.

If Bruce went, you'd get either Graham Norton or John Barrowman. No doubt about it.

"Better the devil you've got, than the devil you know!"
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Old 30-07-2009, 11:33
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For cryin' out loud!

I wish people wouldn't bang on about replacing Bruce.

This is the BBC remember, with (so called) stars on golden handcuff deals now earning more than their market value.

If Bruce went, you'd get either Graham Norton or John Barrowman. No doubt about it.

"Better the devil you've got, than the devil you know!"
I think you've got the wrong end of the stick - these posts are pro-Bruce, not anti-Bruce.
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Old 30-07-2009, 11:36
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They should replace Bruce with Alan Carr or Paul O'Grady and replace Tess with Kate Thornton or Emma Bunton.
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Old 30-07-2009, 11:37
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I think you've got the wrong end of the stick - these posts are pro-Bruce, not anti-Bruce.
No, you have, try post #53, I can't be bothered to look back any further. But at least I did read that one.
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Old 30-07-2009, 12:15
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No, you have, try post #53, I can't be bothered to look back any further. But at least I did read that one.
Actually #53 was the reason I posted my positive post about Bruce (although FAR worse things have been said in the past). Do you actively seek arguments on here?
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Old 30-07-2009, 12:32
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Actually #53 was the reason I posted my positive post about Bruce (although FAR worse things have been said in the past). Do you actively seek arguments on here?
What's your problem?

I too posted an opinion after reading post #53. (I didn't directly have a go at the poster, they are entitled to their opinion).

You quoted my post and made a comment to me which was totally unnecessary.

You're accusing me of "actively seeking arguments."

Give me a break!

You're the one being "actively argumentative."
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Old 30-07-2009, 12:35
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What's your problem?

I too posted an opinion after reading post #53. (I didn't directly have a go at the poster, they are entitled to their opinion).

You quoted my post and made a comment to me which was totally unnecessary.

You're accusing me of "actively seeking arguments."

Give me a break!

You're the one being "actively argumentative."
I think you are the one with a problem, so I'll leave you to it. I come on here to have discussions, not arguments.
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Old 30-07-2009, 13:08
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Jay Hunt should be sacked for this- if she had any shame about her she would resign
I try to avoid making personal comments about people I don't know but on this occasion I agree. The show, aimed at older people like me, is being ruined.
By the way, on what planet do you need to pay a fading celeb who knew nothing about dancing (Alesha) three times what you pay the rising celeb who taught her everything she knows, choreographed the routines and was the joint winner (Matthew)?
I know there's more to life but really.
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Old 30-07-2009, 13:10
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//// I come on here to have discussions, not arguments.
Seems news to me.

Read your own posts.
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Old 30-07-2009, 13:15
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Another piece of negative publicity (or at the very least, the SCD producers collectively shooting themselves in the feet by handing pure gold to the media):

Louis Walsh has claimed that Strictly Come Dancing has made a "massive mistake" axing Arlene Phillips.

The Irish music manager said that her departure from the BBC One reality show will help boost The X Factor's ratings.

"They've made a massive mistake sacking Arlene. She knows more about dancing than anyone else," he told The Mirror.
http://www.digitalspy.co.uk/xfactor/...ictly-axe.html
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Old 30-07-2009, 13:47
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You missed the reasons why there are 1001 celebs.

The minor one is that the voting is so destructive and irrational that they need spare good and excellent celebs to make sure at least 1 or 2 excellent ones get to the final.There have to be lots of dsposable and awful ones to take the fire and go early.

The mega one is that whilst you might save 300k by cutting the numbers of celebs you would leave a gigantic hole in BBC1's programming which would cost more than 300k an hour to fill. The series is long because it fills up the end of year's weekend peaktime slots and its cheap spreading the cast cost and overheads over so many weeks. It even fills BBC2 slots too with ITT . It would take more than 300k I imagine to even fill ITT's slot for a couple of weeks.
I don't disagree with what you have said, but I would be happy to see fewer couples, and to have no boy/girl weeks. The show could last the same number of weeks but have no "eviction" for 2 weeks to enable all couples to do at least one latin and one ballroom. I agree that fewer couples means more of a chance of better ones going too early, but I have to say that freshening up the show, saving money (to pay the pros what they deserve), could be done this way. I echo the views expressed on this thread that the show is starting to have a bad feeling about it. Of course newspapers (and the BBC!) might be enjoyng whipping up "problems", but there is something worrying about the direction the show is going in, and the desperate nature of some of the decisions.
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Old 30-07-2009, 13:48
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Oh I wouldn't bother listening to what that fat old man thinks. No one else does. He is only still with X Factor just. If Simon could get Robbie Williams or Gary Barlow to agree then Louis would be gone without a thought.
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Old 30-07-2009, 14:21
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.... I would be happy to see fewer couples, and to have no boy/girl weeks. The show could last the same number of weeks but have no "eviction" for 2 weeks to enable all couples to do at least one latin and one ballroom.
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I echo the views expressed on this thread that the show is starting to have a bad feeling about it.
At last a creative contribution. I think a little of the half-million paid to Brucie should be given to you.

If any week is pre-announced as "no eviction" it would cause the celebs to ease up on work rate, with competitive tension and suspense going out the window.

To save BBC money with 12 couples to fill 12 weekly shows, in the early rounds to evict only every other week. The judges' scores and public votes to be carried forward from the first week to the second -- like the way it was done in SCD6 with Semifinal 3-3-1 score carried into the Final. Or like Man U vs Real Madrid with home and away legs.

To save even more money, in some weeks to replace Brucie with Colin's dummy with no payment. No-one will notice.
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Old 30-07-2009, 14:41
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Oh I wouldn't bother listening to what that fat old man thinks. No one else does. He is only still with X Factor just. If Simon could get Robbie Williams or Gary Barlow to agree then Louis would be gone without a thought.
I do hope you're not being ageist there ...
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Old 30-07-2009, 16:01
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Oh I wouldn't bother listening to what that fat old man thinks. No one else does. He is only still with X Factor just. If Simon could get Robbie Williams or Gary Barlow to agree then Louis would be gone without a thought.
Leaving aside the fat & old bit, it's just another example of a gift to the media, another opportunity handed to the media to publish a negative story, regardless as to whether it has any truth in it or not. It's just another negative story when positives should be the order of the day.

And some of the other comments in the DS report are rather telling I think
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Old 30-07-2009, 16:05
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Mind you who would expect a judge on X-Factor to say anything else, especially if he was chased by the media for a comment?
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