If BT Vision are loosing money

ashjf · 02-08-2009, 10:12

It has been reported many times and in many places that BT are loosing money and BT Vision are loosing money and not reaching customer targets.

So, Is it not now time for BT Vision to open the network for all to use and cut a deal with other ISP's to allow this?

If Canvas get the go ahead that will make it more attractive also, BT Vision with freeview HD, OD, Catch-up and Free OD and Catch-up.

scotty2808 · 02-08-2009, 10:33

I don't think the infrastructure is in place for that. BTV will be designed to expand on growth and a sudden burst from every other ISP may not be scalable in it's current form.

BTV requires "on the fly" QoS which would require changes to ensure other ISPs would guarantee bandwidth.

Canvas should allow the scalability that's needed for mass VOD in the UK.
If Canvas goes ahead then whilst others can join the party - BTV will have access to a larger amount of archive content from the main UK broadcasters which "may" help bring in new customers.

BTV would need to concentrate on delivering linear services (Freeview/Freesat HD) that people want and "add on services" whether it's catch up tv/sports or film packages.

betsvigi9 · 02-08-2009, 21:54

Quote:

Originally Posted by ashjf

It has been reported many times and in many places that BT are loosing money and BT Vision are loosing money and not reaching customer targets.

So, Is it not now time for BT Vision to open the network for all to use and cut a deal with other ISP's to allow this?

If Canvas get the go ahead that will make it more attractive also, BT Vision with freeview HD, OD, Catch-up and Free OD and Catch-up.

Sorry to be a pedant, but it's losing money, not loosing money. Lose and loose are two completely different words with entirely different meanings.

bob187 · 02-08-2009, 22:15

While BT vision may be directly losing money, don't underestimate it's usefulness as a Broadband customer retention tool.

If I were to migrate away from BT broadband, I'd need to buy a new PVR and go through all the aggravation of setting up all my old recordings, while also making sure I timed it right so that I'd watched all my old stuff before the vision box became bricked.

That thought alone puts me (and I would imagine many others) off moving away from BT Broadband.

If I were able to move, but keep my vision box, I'd most likely do so.
This, I would think, is the number one reason why you will never see BT vision in it's present form open to other ISPs.

Matterhorn · 02-08-2009, 23:49

Quote:

Originally Posted by bob187

While BT vision may be directly losing money, don't underestimate it's usefulness as a Broadband customer retention tool.

If I were to migrate away from BT broadband, I'd need to buy a new PVR and go through all the aggravation of setting up all my old recordings, while also making sure I timed it right so that I'd watched all my old stuff before the vision box became bricked.

That thought alone puts me (and I would imagine many others) off moving away from BT Broadband.

If I were able to move, but keep my vision box, I'd most likely do so.
This, I would think, is the number one reason why you will never see BT vision in it's present form open to other ISPs.

spot on..

couldn't agree more, however they won't retain me unless they start to drop the broadband prices.

clpxm39 · 03-08-2009, 16:36

Quote:

Originally Posted by Matterhorn

spot on..

couldn't agree more, however they won't retain me unless they start to drop the broadband prices.

A negative BT comment, that makes a change, Not

Still when you leave BT you'll have no reason to come here any more eh?

Matterhorn · 03-08-2009, 17:28

Quote:

Originally Posted by clpxm39

A negative BT comment, that makes a change, Not

Still when you leave BT you'll have no reason to come here any more eh?

it was actually nearly a compliment!

I too would keep BTV if I could either.

1/ use a different ISP

or

2/ Get a cheaper b/band deal with BT

ashjf · 04-08-2009, 08:05

It can easily be done, BT get into talks with other ISP, they all agree on a line speed minimum, then BT can either sell you the set top box and you have no contract so can either pay per view or sub to a pack or loan you the box but you will be in a 12 month contract.
If they are working on Canvas and it gets the green light the box can be sold as, BT Vision with Freeview+ and Canvas.

stuntmaster · 04-08-2009, 11:00

Quote:

Originally Posted by Matterhorn

it was actually nearly a compliment!

I too would keep BTV if I could either.

1/ use a different ISP

or

2/ Get a cheaper b/band deal with BT

no pleasing some is there.

i'll leave bt because i cant get sky1 or get hd tv. oh it does not make the coffee so im leaving for that too.

02-08-2009, 10:12	#1
ashjf Forum Member Join Date: May 2006 Location: South East Posts: 909	If BT Vision are loosing money It has been reported many times and in many places that BT are loosing money and BT Vision are loosing money and not reaching customer targets. So, Is it not now time for BT Vision to open the network for all to use and cut a deal with other ISP's to allow this? If Canvas get the go ahead that will make it more attractive also, BT Vision with freeview HD, OD, Catch-up and Free OD and Catch-up.

02-08-2009, 10:33	#2
scotty2808 Forum Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Posts: 435	I don't think the infrastructure is in place for that. BTV will be designed to expand on growth and a sudden burst from every other ISP may not be scalable in it's current form. BTV requires "on the fly" QoS which would require changes to ensure other ISPs would guarantee bandwidth. Canvas should allow the scalability that's needed for mass VOD in the UK. If Canvas goes ahead then whilst others can join the party - BTV will have access to a larger amount of archive content from the main UK broadcasters which "may" help bring in new customers. BTV would need to concentrate on delivering linear services (Freeview/Freesat HD) that people want and "add on services" whether it's catch up tv/sports or film packages.

02-08-2009, 21:54	#3
betsvigi9 Forum Member Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Huddersfield Posts: 389	Quote: Originally Posted by ashjf It has been reported many times and in many places that BT are loosing money and BT Vision are loosing money and not reaching customer targets. So, Is it not now time for BT Vision to open the network for all to use and cut a deal with other ISP's to allow this? If Canvas get the go ahead that will make it more attractive also, BT Vision with freeview HD, OD, Catch-up and Free OD and Catch-up. Sorry to be a pedant, but it's losing money, not loosing money. Lose and loose are two completely different words with entirely different meanings.

02-08-2009, 22:15	#4
bob187 Forum Member Join Date: Dec 2007 Posts: 1,127	While BT vision may be directly losing money, don't underestimate it's usefulness as a Broadband customer retention tool. If I were to migrate away from BT broadband, I'd need to buy a new PVR and go through all the aggravation of setting up all my old recordings, while also making sure I timed it right so that I'd watched all my old stuff before the vision box became bricked. That thought alone puts me (and I would imagine many others) off moving away from BT Broadband. If I were able to move, but keep my vision box, I'd most likely do so. This, I would think, is the number one reason why you will never see BT vision in it's present form open to other ISPs.

02-08-2009, 23:49	#5
Matterhorn Inactive Member Join Date: Mar 2009 Posts: 729	Quote: Originally Posted by bob187 While BT vision may be directly losing money, don't underestimate it's usefulness as a Broadband customer retention tool. If I were to migrate away from BT broadband, I'd need to buy a new PVR and go through all the aggravation of setting up all my old recordings, while also making sure I timed it right so that I'd watched all my old stuff before the vision box became bricked. That thought alone puts me (and I would imagine many others) off moving away from BT Broadband. If I were able to move, but keep my vision box, I'd most likely do so. This, I would think, is the number one reason why you will never see BT vision in it's present form open to other ISPs. spot on.. couldn't agree more, however they won't retain me unless they start to drop the broadband prices.

03-08-2009, 16:36	#6
clpxm39 Forum Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Posts: 55	Quote: Originally Posted by Matterhorn spot on.. couldn't agree more, however they won't retain me unless they start to drop the broadband prices. A negative BT comment, that makes a change, Not Still when you leave BT you'll have no reason to come here any more eh?

03-08-2009, 17:28	#7
Matterhorn Inactive Member Join Date: Mar 2009 Posts: 729	Quote: Originally Posted by clpxm39 A negative BT comment, that makes a change, Not Still when you leave BT you'll have no reason to come here any more eh? it was actually nearly a compliment! I too would keep BTV if I could either. 1/ use a different ISP or 2/ Get a cheaper b/band deal with BT

04-08-2009, 08:05	#8
ashjf Forum Member Join Date: May 2006 Location: South East Posts: 909	It can easily be done, BT get into talks with other ISP, they all agree on a line speed minimum, then BT can either sell you the set top box and you have no contract so can either pay per view or sub to a pack or loan you the box but you will be in a 12 month contract. If they are working on Canvas and it gets the green light the box can be sold as, BT Vision with Freeview+ and Canvas.

04-08-2009, 11:00	#9
stuntmaster Forum Member Join Date: May 2005 Location: Southampton - Hannington - TX Posts: 4,878	Quote: Originally Posted by Matterhorn it was actually nearly a compliment! I too would keep BTV if I could either. 1/ use a different ISP or 2/ Get a cheaper b/band deal with BT no pleasing some is there. i'll leave bt because i cant get sky1 or get hd tv. oh it does not make the coffee so im leaving for that too.

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