Which professionals do you think deserve the better celebrities?


Flavia Cacace - Average

Anton du Beke - Good

Darren Bennett - Average

Lilia Kopylova - Good

Ola Jordan - Average

Brian Fortuna - Good

James Jordan - Bad

Kristina Rihanoff - Good

Ian Waite - Bad

Matthew Cutler - Bad

Erin Boag - Average

Brendan Cole - Bad

Vincent Simone - Bad

Pointless excercise really. No one knows in advance how the celebs will turn out.

Some who looked good on paper turned out to be really dreadful and others who didnt seem so promising turned out great.

All the pros have had their share of good and bad, it is up to them to make the best of what they have.

I don't know about that. If you get someone with a sedentary lifestyle and dodgy knees, they might not be so likely to waltz you into the final as a fit and fearless sporty type.

Where does that put Mark Foster then? fit and fearless sporty type who turned out to be an absolute disaster.
Some of the younger celebs were not capable either recalling Kate Garroway who ought to have been able to produce more than she did.

It is really a lottery. Until they start training who knows what they are capable of?

I like Ian and I don't rate Anton much.

Darren will no likely again get the ex eastenders star

I do agree with you in general, but Mark was an easy one to predict. At 6ft4 he was almost certainly going to struggle with latin (I know there are tall latin professionals, but for the most part tall beginners do seem to struggle), and at over a foot taller than Ola it's hardly surprising he struggled with ballroom hold. I never for a minute thought he would do well.

How do you decide? It could go on so many things:

-how well the pro in question choreographs and teaches: give the best celebrities the best chance of doing well

-how old/fat/annoying their previous partners were: give the pro a chance of having someone the public might vote for

-how far the pro got in the previous series: let different professionals have chance to get to the final each year

-how supportive the pro is to weaker dancers: make sure the weaker celebrities have the chance to do as well as they can rather than be shouted at and humiliated

-how popular the pro is: make sure the ones the audience like are in for a while

-whether the celeb is single and might have a showmance with a single pro

etc.

most people on this board will just make a case for their favourite professional to get the best celeb... on that basis I nominate Lilia

Time Anton got someone good- why does he get typecast as the guy that dances with a lady of a certain age

And it is time Brendan got a duffer

Seconded, especially about Brendan. Why should he get an unfair advantage just because he throws a strop whenever his partner isn't a tall, gorgeous model?

It's true that it's - to an extent at least - hard to predict of course, as I hear Erin privately wrote off Austin's potential before she saw him dance, and we saw how that one turned out! Still, there are some things which are obvious (e.g. John Sergeant) and I really wish they would stop doing those 'joke' contestants, though seeing how much publicity they bring the show, I doubt that'll ever happen.

Why is it Brendan always gets models- I think it is funnier if he gets someone like Claire King- someone who will shout back at him

Mind you I hear he really wants to win it this year

I would base it on this.

I reckon Matt will have a shoddy celebrity this year and will be out within three weeks. Agree about Anton getting a decent celeb which should see him through until the last two weeks. I was gutted about Gillian last year - thought she had the potential to be quite elegant. I reckon Ola is due a good celeb too since she always seems to go out somewhere in the middle.

The problem is that the way it's been cast recently, a lot of the female pros (Ola, Lilia, Kristina, Flavia) are owed good partners (and thats's not including the newbies - you have to give at least one of them a prospect) and very very few of the men are (Anton, Darren at a push). And it's made worse by the fact that Camilla, who was owed a dud more than anyone on the show by far did a bunk, unbalancing things further.

If you cast a load of good male celebs and rubbish females, then you're looking at an all-male top 4. At least. It's too unbalanced.

If the rumours about Steve Jones doing SCD are true- he is 6ft 1 so he'd have to go with Natalie- as she is the tallest out of the lady pros

And with Adrian Chiles 6ft they may decide given his popularity to put him with Katya who is 5ft 6

Teddy Sheringham is 6ft - and Erin usually does well with sportsmen

Brian was very popular this year so I can see him being given a real contender. So was poor Krystina... although as someone else said- a LOT of the female pros are due decent male partners...

Brendan and Vincent should deserve a dud this year, simply cos theyve done quite well so far... I believe Vincent himself has expressed the opinion that he will get a dud this season...

I think its about time we dropped the oldies......I want to see people that have a reasonable chance of doing well and stand a good chance of winning. Its not fair on the dancers to be given a no hoper.

Defintely.
I cant see Anton getting a good dancer to be honest -asides from Lesley (and maybe Patsy) most of his pairings have been of the, ahem, older generation -and not in a Cherie way.
Darren has obviously had some very good partners -Jill, Emma -but has also suffered Jessie, Gloria and had his work cut out for him with Letitia!

I nominate Darren gets a good un!

To be fair to Brendan he doesn't always get gorgeous models. I think he got Lisa last year because he'd been unlucky the previous series with Kelly leaving early. You might just as well say Ian gets glamorous models since he's had Penny and Jodie as partners. I think height has something to do with it. I'm not sure that it works to Brendan's advantage either. He really needs a partner who can capture the public's affections. Even the ones who were not models (e.g. Fiona and Claire) were not that popular.


I agree. It seems to be more difficult to find good celeb male dancers though. Maybe its all that multi tasking dancing requires (ducks for cover! ) and possibly because the females are more likely to have stage school background?

Well no, of course not, considering it's been 6 years. I was more referring to his bad attitude when his partner doesn't get those top scores - even with a partner who is more endearing to the public, he's well known enough now to turn some people off with his own personality (for example, I had nothing against Lisa but Brendan's dominance in the partnership made it one of my least favourites)

For Ian, it's different as his models tend to be much more noticeably tall - they're expected even before they dance to struggle with Latin whereas the models Brendan gets are expected to do well. I agree that his partners who weren't models weren't that popular - although Claire was my favourite of all the partners he's had and I wanted her to do well, so I guess that's subjective.

I think some of it is frustration with himself though. Just looks like it is with his partner. He might be more laid back about it all now though, since I think the pros have learnt a lot about how the game is played in recent series. To stay in you need all factors working for you i.e. audience appeal (rightly or wrongly that means no models or ex spice girls!) as well as someone who is reasonably healthy and competent at learning.
Last edited by Vivacious Lady : 07-08-2009 at 14:06

I imagine you're right - also likely with the judges. I don't doubt he's a good teacher, but most of the other pros don't find the need to rage and storm off when they're not pleased with their scores. Anyway, this is a bit off-topic now!

Back on track: I agree with what you say about the factors - also imo it's generally easier for guys to win support than girls.

Anton, Kristina and Lilia - Anton in particular hasn't really had a decent partner since series 3. Lilia hashad 2 duffs on the trot (Dom and Don) and Kristina deserves someone at least under the age of 30 and with some rhythm after John.

Matt is probably due a dud (unfortunately) after being lucky with Christine, Carol and off course Alesha. Brendan too has only really had one utter duff in Fiona Philips.

Off course its diffuclt to really say who's gonna be good and who the public are going to like/ dislike

I think it come down to two things :

a) They know that, given similar skill levels male celebrities trounce the women in the voting nine times out of ten (even the male duffer comedy sympathy entertainment anti-judge votes outlast the female ones). Therefore they try to limit the number of good/great men to keep it competitive.

b) There's a fundemental difference in the way men and women are presented by the show. With women it's (broadly speaking) "I've always dreamed of being able to dance, but I've never had the time/courage". With men it's "I never knew I wanted to be a dancer, but now I'm doing it, I love it". The former storyline is better played out be somebody with lots of obvious potential, the latter by somebody with none.

(Tom's an obvious exception, being a man who had the first story-arc. And I think the show didn't really know how to present it, which is why he's one of the few men who got far to get any negative personality-based backlash)

Could not have said it better! (still hopes Ian gets a lovely celeb though... )

your have chosen that most of the boys are to have bad dancer then ? why do you think this?

guess this makes the winner will be a male cele then in your book