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The hunt is on. Though as ALW is saying he wants a modern Dorothy unlike Judy Garland, its a fair bet on past experience he will end up with one who is a clone of Judy Garland. Love the ALW idea that the height of modernity, having attitude and looking like you belong on the street, is carrying an ipod. In some areas its probably carrying someone else's ipod. Still not sure why he is bothering apart from to drum up ticket sales - there are plenty of really good young or young looking sopranos in or recently in assorted westend shows or touring or who have already been seen on previous series who match his description. Some have already played the role and could still play the age. Unless he really gets a 16-17 year old he's unlikely to find better and unless he ony gives us a choice of 16-17 year olds I suspect any 16 -17 year any good he finds will win anyway over someone older. thenetworkbabe, I know we've had this conversation before, but I think he's motivated by furthering his career as a tv star and drumming up ticket sales. It's to his advantage to have lots of young talent floating around - he has his pick. I imagine he'll be looking for quite a young dorothy, I wouldn't be surprised if the live shows were comprised of mostly under 20s. Anyway, I can't wait!! It's been too long since IDA. Looks like I was wrong and they are casting the bloody dog. |
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I wish I knew when this is going to be aired. Though thinking about the Love Never Dies launch, it's likely to be end of March at the absolute earliest.
thenetworkbabe, I know we've had this conversation before, but I think he's motivated by furthering his career as a tv star and drumming up ticket sales. It's to his advantage to have lots of young talent floating around - he has his pick. I imagine he'll be looking for quite a young dorothy, I wouldn't be surprised if the live shows were comprised of mostly under 20s. Anyway, I can't wait!! It's been too long since IDA. Looks like I was wrong and they are casting the bloody dog. http://www.applausestore.com/applaus...p?id=145&bid=4 Tickets available now,So i expect a April launch. The X factor/ Britains got talent co-producer[talkback thames] has taken over from bbc entertainment as the producer of the show. Its moving from BBC television centre to Fountain studios[ where the x factor is filmed]. I also it seems there could be extended audition shows, this year as ALW seems to have been filmed at all the regional auditions this time. http://www.andrewlloydwebber.com/new...s-search-for-/ |
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Tickets available now,So i expect a April launch. The X factor/ Britains got talent co-producer[talkback thames] has taken over from bbc entertainment as the producer of the show. Its moving from BBC television centre to Fountain studios[ where the x factor is filmed]. I also it seems there could be extended audition shows, this year as ALW seems to have been filmed at all the regional auditions this time. http://www.andrewlloydwebber.com/new...s-search-for-/ I hope Talkback don't turn this series into an X-factor clone. The other casting shows were a refreshing antidote to the X-factor and had a real charm to them. It would be sad to see any subsequent shows turning into X-factor for musical theatre people! |
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Can't we have one to find a guy for somehting? We've already had two 'girl' ones with Maria and Nancy but only had one 'guy' one with Joseph.
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Can't we have one to find a guy for somehting? We've already had two 'girl' ones with Maria and Nancy but only had one 'guy' one with Joseph.
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I hope they don't have extended audition shows. One of the things that made the previous series work was having two episodes covering the whole audition process from start to finish. There is no need to extend it.
I hope Talkback don't turn this series into an X-factor clone. The other casting shows were a refreshing antidote to the X-factor and had a real charm to them. It would be sad to see any subsequent shows turning into X-factor for musical theatre people! I agree i hate audition shows, i just dont see the appeal in laughing at the mentally ill:sleep: |
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Apparently the only other male lead show ALW wants to do is Jesus Christ Superstar.The BBC wasn't interested, it would have funny for Graham to introduce the JESUSES, 'congratulations you could still be jesus''
![]() I agree i hate audition shows, i just dont see the appeal in laughing at the mentally ill:sleep: Plus the dutch judges are better, and you get more of the contestants personality. Quite remarkable, as the Dutch spin offs of UK shows are usually unwatchable, never mind better! |
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I hope they don't have extended audition shows. One of the things that made the previous series work was having two episodes covering the whole audition process from start to finish. There is no need to extend it.
I hope Talkback don't turn this series into an X-factor clone. The other casting shows were a refreshing antidote to the X-factor and had a real charm to them. It would be sad to see any subsequent shows turning into X-factor for musical theatre people! Its interesting to see some more people perform though - at least two of the subsequently most successful people who were seen on the IDA series were cut out before the the live shows. |
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Can't we have one to find a guy for somehting? We've already had two 'girl' ones with Maria and Nancy but only had one 'guy' one with Joseph.
It makes sense as a publicity ploy and a way of finding a 16-17 year old Dorothy - but you hope they have thought through the dangers of telling 16 year olds they are not good enough or exposing them to the public vote. |
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Apparently the only other male lead show ALW wants to do is Jesus Christ Superstar.The BBC wasn't interested, it would have funny for Graham to introduce the JESUSES, 'congratulations you could still be jesus''
![]() I agree i hate audition shows, i just dont see the appeal in laughing at the mentally ill:sleep: |
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What on earth would they surrender as they left as "not Jesus" .....a tin with 5 sardines in it? Its a recipe for looking tacky or worse.........
My big problem with doing Jesus is that they'd probably have them sing Gethsemane as their goodbye song. I'm not sure I could listen to that week after week. It's a phenomenal song, but huge and very emotional and my instinct is that very few would do it real justice. As long as he needs me is one of my favourite songs, but I was well and truly sick of it by the end of IDA. Funnily enough, I didn't tire of Close Every Door in quite the same way. Perhaps because they didn't trot it out four times in the final after hearing it every week like they did with As Long as He Needs Me. That was pure laziness. |
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Can't we have one to find a guy for somehting? We've already had two 'girl' ones with Maria and Nancy but only had one 'guy' one with Joseph.
Joseph was a very safe role owing to the popularity of the show. Sound of Music and Olver both strong enough that is they got the wrong person who didn't settle into the role straight away it could cope until they do or they leave the role. Jesus Christ Superstar was mentioned. Are there many others though? Barnum Rumoured that John Barrowman was doing it tjis year. I don't know if he is out, it's been pulled completely or what? Either way is it such a strong and well love show for an unknown in the role? I don't think so. Fiddler on the Roof Popular but not sure the West End is begging for it's return anytime soon. Singing in the Rain A possibility Me and My girl Possible and they could do a hunt foe both male and female leads There is one show that I have been hoping would hit the West End but hasn't. Victor Victoria. Yes it's another hunt for a girl but if they are looking for girls for other shows why not this one? If they could do that one they could even get away without not having ALW on the show if they can get Dame Julie Andrews instead. |
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The obvious two that ALW missed were Daniel and Ben who have had far superior careers to the person saved over them, as have Rachel and Aoife. ALW will always look an idiot for telling Daniel he couldn't hold an audience's attention for two hours.
I wouldn't say ALW will always look an idiot for his decision or comments about Daniel but it is certainly the most ridiculous judges' decision in the history of these shows. I remember seeing Daniel before ADWD, understudying for some big names, and he was excellent even then. |
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I wasn't too surprised or disappointed at Ben's elimination because I didn't think he was ready at the time but he has certainly improved vastly and quickly.
I wouldn't say ALW will always look an idiot for his decision or comments about Daniel but it is certainly the most ridiculous judges' decision in the history of these shows. I remember seeing Daniel before ADWD, understudying for some big names, and he was excellent even then. About Danielgate, I heard much later that there was a lot more to that decision than met the eye. The circumstances mitigate the Lord's decision somewhat. Mind you, I still don't think Andrew ever had a proper appreciation of Daniel's talent. |
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I would like to see them alternate between guys and girls. I wonder though if there is a problen finding show that could be done that has good quality male leads in shows that are safe to do and not rely purely on him to draw a crowd.
Joseph was a very safe role owing to the popularity of the show. Sound of Music and Olver both strong enough that is they got the wrong person who didn't settle into the role straight away it could cope until they do or they leave the role. Jesus Christ Superstar was mentioned. Are there many others though? Barnum Rumoured that John Barrowman was doing it tjis year. I don't know if he is out, it's been pulled completely or what? Either way is it such a strong and well love show for an unknown in the role? I don't think so. Fiddler on the Roof Popular but not sure the West End is begging for it's return anytime soon. Singing in the Rain A possibility Me and My girl Possible and they could do a hunt foe both male and female leads There is one show that I have been hoping would hit the West End but hasn't. Victor Victoria. Yes it's another hunt for a girl but if they are looking for girls for other shows why not this one? If they could do that one they could even get away without not having ALW on the show if they can get Dame Julie Andrews instead. Part of ALW's problem now is finding a role that we all won't think was made for someone we have already seen and there's an awful lot of good people from 20-32 we have now seen on TV . He's taken an easy way out by casting his youngest character yet. Joseph was kinda safe. Half or more of the Nancy's could probably have played Nancy. Maria really needed to be a success first time though - the public helped by going for the safest option. This time though he's angling for someone much younger who is on stage an awful lot and can do 6 or 8 shows a week for a long time - which isn't that safe - unless you hire Diana Vickers who has just done 8 shows for 4 months, sang as Judy and looked a perfect Dorothy in her pigtails as Little Voice. |
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While I absolutely love Ben and think he has bags of star quality, his vocals on ADWD were consistenly shaky and below par. Based on what we saw in ADWD he was a far riskier prospect than the three that beat him to the final. And that pains me to say, because I couldn't bear Lewis or Keith as performers. But vocally, they were a lot more solid than Ben.
About Danielgate, I heard much later that there was a lot more to that decision than met the eye. The circumstances mitigate the Lord's decision somewhat. Mind you, I still don't think Andrew ever had a proper appreciation of Daniel's talent. There are no mitigating factors for Daniel's departure he was the best actor and singer in the competition. The only thing that makes up for it is I didn't have to go and see Joseph I got to see the amazing Avenue Q instead. |
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As has been said before song choice was more Ben's downfall than actual vocal ability. I couldn't believe how stunning he was on tour with Michael Ball. Lewis and Keith were not in Ben's league. Their careers since then prove that. Lewis seems to have carve a niche as Lee Mead's understudy.
There are no mitigating factors for Daniel's departure he was the best actor and singer in the competition. The only thing that makes up for it is I didn't have to go and see Joseph I got to see the amazing Avenue Q instead. ALW clearly felt that Daniel wasn't right for the role of Joseph and I could understand why. Daniel was very talented, but the whole point of the casting shows is to find someone who fits the role, not simply to give the role to the best performer. Personally, based on what I saw in ADWD, I thought Daniel had a great voice (from a technical perspective, he and Keith probably had the best voices of all the final 12), though I preferred Lee's. It had that indefinable something about it, and he was able to convey an emotional depth that I felt both Daniel and Keith lacked, for all their technical ability. I also felt that Lee was a better actor than Daniel (again based on their ADWD performances). There was something very natural and fluid about Lee's acting, which didn't seem to be there in Daniel's. That being said, I thought Daniel was the second best actor in the competition, with Ben also showing potential in that area. No doubt all the ADWD boys have come on leaps and bounds since then (it has been three years) and it's good to see them excelling in their respective shows. |
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Personally, based on what I saw in ADWD, I thought Daniel had a great voice (from a technical perspective, he and Keith probably had the best voices of all the final 12), though I preferred Lee's. It had that indefinable something about it, and he was able to convey an emotional depth that I felt both Daniel and Keith lacked, for all their technical ability. I also felt that Lee was a better actor than Daniel (again based on their ADWD performances). There was something very natural and fluid about Lee's acting, which didn't seem to be there in Daniel's. That being said, I thought Daniel was the second best actor in the competition, with Ben also showing potential in that area.
If you want to see emotional depth from Daniel check out his performances of 'Anthem' and 'Gethsamane' from the 2008 Faenol Festival. And like I said before Ben's voice on Michael Ball's tour, in particular 'Next Time You Fall In Love' with Louise Dearman is gorgeous. I think from what you've said you'll probably disagree with me but in a musical if I had the choice between a good actor with a weak voice and a good singer who was a weak actor, I'd go for the good actor every time. That's why I think Ben will be more successful than Keith. I never rated Lewis from his first audition, I don't see what ALW saw in him. Unlike IDA with Jessie who wasn't my choice or taste but I get why people liked. |
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ALW clearly felt that Daniel wasn't right for the role of Joseph and I could understand why. Daniel was very talented, but the whole point of the casting shows is to find someone who fits the role, not simply to give the role to the best performer. |
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Looks like I was wrong and they are casting the bloody dog. |
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Isn't Cameron Mac also the producer of Avenue Q?
................... The obvious two that ALW missed were Daniel and Ben who have had far superior careers to the person saved over them, as have Rachel and Aoife. ALW will always look an idiot for telling Daniel he couldn't hold an audience's attention for two hours. I....................... |
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As an overall performer I think Ben is amazing and head and shoulders above Keith and Lewis and like Jill says, his subsequent career has proven this.
However, I agree with Johartuk that vocally on the show he had a lot of problems that can't just be attributed to song choice. Vocally, Keith was streets ahead of Ben (and I really couldn't bear him) and Lewis was more consistent and polished overall. Crying was a tricky song choice, no mistake, but Ben had serious tuning problems/cracking issues with quite a few of his choices. Didn't he murder a Ronan Keating song very early on?? Having said that Joseph's not a hard sing and I'm with Jill in that I value acting higher than singing, so in a sing off situation between Ben and either Lewis or Keith, I would have saved Ben. But not because of his vocals. Good to see the old Daniel/Lee comparisons come up again. On the show I was convinced that Daniel was the better singer/Lee the better actor, but having seen Daniel in Avenue Q, I'd have to agree with Jill that credit must be given to Daniel as a great comic actor. I was blown away by his Rod. However, this didn't come across on the show, whereas Lee's capacity as a serious/intense actor did. This had something to do with the material they were given of course. But in the same way, I've no idea about Lee's ability as a comic actor as I haven't seen him do anything like that. Very much looking forward to seeing him as Fiyero. Anyone got any idea what Daniel's next move is? |
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I haven't seen Lee's latest play but I have seen him do a comedy style performance and he was excellent.
He has a far broader range than ADWD showed. |
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Tickets available now,So i expect a April launch. The X factor/ Britains got talent co-producer[talkback thames] has taken over from bbc entertainment as the producer of the show. Its moving from BBC television centre to Fountain studios[ where the x factor is filmed]. I also it seems there could be extended audition shows, this year as ALW seems to have been filmed at all the regional auditions this time. http://www.andrewlloydwebber.com/new...s-search-for-/
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As an overall performer I think Ben is amazing and head and shoulders above Keith and Lewis and like Jill says, his subsequent career has proven this.
However, I agree with Johartuk that vocally on the show he had a lot of problems that can't just be attributed to song choice. Vocally, Keith was streets ahead of Ben (and I really couldn't bear him) and Lewis was more consistent and polished overall. Crying was a tricky song choice, no mistake, but Ben had serious tuning problems/cracking issues with quite a few of his choices. Didn't he murder a Ronan Keating song very early on?? Having said that Joseph's not a hard sing and I'm with Jill in that I value acting higher than singing, so in a sing off situation between Ben and either Lewis or Keith, I would have saved Ben. But not because of his vocals. Good to see the old Daniel/Lee comparisons come up again. On the show I was convinced that Daniel was the better singer/Lee the better actor, but having seen Daniel in Avenue Q, I'd have to agree with Jill that credit must be given to Daniel as a great comic actor. I was blown away by his Rod. However, this didn't come across on the show, whereas Lee's capacity as a serious/intense actor did. This had something to do with the material they were given of course. But in the same way, I've no idea about Lee's ability as a comic actor as I haven't seen him do anything like that. Very much looking forward to seeing him as Fiyero. Anyone got any idea what Daniel's next move is? I don't think Lee can do comedy mostly because he creeps me out when he smiles. He seems like a lovely guy but I didn't like his lighter performances. I know I said Daniel's a better actor what I actually mean is I think he has a wider range. Lee on a stage with Rachel Tucker is going to be a treat. If I go and I get Lewis I'll not be happy. Every time I think of Daniel playing Rod I get 'My Girlfriend Who Lives In Canada' stuck in my head! I'd love to see Sarah Lark as Kate Monster. I went backstage with some of the kittens last week Daniel said he had things in the pipeline but wasn't giving anything away |
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Thats true at the moment and ALW should have seen it the time - Siobhan is now getting the jobs though. Anthony is growing working with some impressive people and looking very good in Les Mis too - he's a candidate for the really good one who went early (as indeed might be Tara)
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