• TV
  • MOVIES
  • MUSIC
  • SHOWBIZ
  • SOAPS
  • GAMING
  • TECH
  • FORUMS
  • Follow
    • Follow
    • facebook
    • twitter
    • google+
    • instagram
    • youtube
Hearst Corporation
  • TV
  • MOVIES
  • MUSIC
  • SHOWBIZ
  • SOAPS
  • GAMING
  • TECH
  • FORUMS
Forums
  • Register
  • Login
  • Forums
  • TV
  • Broadcasting
UEFA Europa League
<<
<
108 of 120
>>
>
Mark.
27-02-2016
Originally Posted by d'@ve:
“Your suggestion that UEFA would force this game to be played at 6pm behind closed doors if the police objected to the KO time when neither club has done anything wrong is utterly ludicrous. And that's putting it mildly.”

You do realise this is UEFA we're talking about?

Quote:
“As I said earlier (seems like days ago looking at all the posts since then), GMP will ultimately determine if the 6pm KO time is acceptable and if not, it will be moved.”

GMP do not have that power.
d'@ve
27-02-2016
Originally Posted by Mark.:
“You do realise this is UEFA we're talking about?


GMP do not have that power.”

It's not about who has what power it's about common sense and the laughing stock that UEFA would turn themselves into if they did what you suggest. This is the real World, not some theoretical exercise in legalities. If GMP want it moved, it will by discussion between them and all other relevant authorities and the broadcasters, be moved. I'm not saying that it WILL be moved just that GMP need to be on board for it to happen at the proposed time, and your "empty stadium" scenario is a complete non-starter back here in the real World.

Wake up, smell the coffee. G'night.
Jamesp84
27-02-2016
United have asked for kick off to be moved back to 8:05, according to the Mirror.
TLG86
27-02-2016
I don't see what the problem is with Man Utd v Liverpool kicking off at 18:00. I think the rush hour argument is complete rubbish. I went to Old Trafford last season for the Man Utd v Arsenal Cup game which I think was a 19:45 kick off. The traffic was awful - it always is. If anything an earlier kick off allows fans to avoid the worse of the rush hour.

I think what United are really worried about is the prospect of their supporters from further afield not making it. My experience, however, is that supporters usually find a way of making it to a game if they really want to go.

But just supposing United managed to get it moved to 20:05, would another game have to move to 18:00 - and would it be Spurs?
Tony_Daniels
27-02-2016
Originally Posted by TLG86:
“I don't see what the problem is with Man Utd v Liverpool kicking off at 18:00. I think the rush hour argument is complete rubbish. I went to Old Trafford last season for the Man Utd v Arsenal Cup game which I think was a 19:45 kick off. The traffic was awful - it always is. If anything an earlier kick off allows fans to avoid the worse of the rush hour.

I think what United are really worried about is the prospect of their supporters from further afield not making it. My experience, however, is that supporters usually find a way of making it to a game if they really want to go.

But just supposing United managed to get it moved to 20:05, would another game have to move to 18:00 - and would it be Spurs?”

How would having a game kick off in the middle of rush hour help fans avoid the rush hour?
TLG86
27-02-2016
Originally Posted by Tony_Daniels:
“How would having a game kick off in the middle of rush hour help fans avoid the rush hour?”

Depending upon where your coming in from - and we're talking about fans who drive to Man Utd - then I would aim to be parked up by 5pm at the latest. It would still be busy but I think it would make the journey a bit easier travelling before the traffic gets really bad. The real issue is that it's an inconvenient kick off time for people getting to the game from work. But it's the same for seven of the other teams in the Last 16.
Tony_Daniels
27-02-2016
Originally Posted by TLG86:
“Depending upon where your coming in from - and we're talking about fans who drive to Man Utd - then I would aim to be parked up by 5pm at the latest. It would still be busy but I think it would make the journey a bit easier travelling before the traffic gets really bad. The real issue is that it's an inconvenient kick off time for people getting to the game from work. But it's the same for seven of the other teams in the Last 16.”

But that's where the security issues come in.

If you've 60,000 fans arriving more than an hour early hanging about the stadium because they wanted to avoid the rush hour traffic then that's a security concern.

I don't think the police are particularly keen to have tens of thousands of rival fans hanging about kicking their heels for an hour because they got there early to avoid rush hour traffic.
TLG86
27-02-2016
Originally Posted by Tony_Daniels:
“But that's where the security issues come in.

If you've 60,000 fans arriving more than an hour early hanging about the stadium because they wanted to avoid the rush hour traffic then that's a security concern.

I don't think the police are particularly keen to have tens of thousands of rival fans hanging about kicking their heels for an hour because they got there early to avoid rush hour traffic.”

Have you ever been to a game before? People don't magically appear at the game five minutes before kick off. If anything the issue might be one of crowd control as supporters get to the ground closer to kick off than they ordinarily would do.
Mr Newshound
27-02-2016
From the rulebook...

22.01 As a rule, matches in the UEFA Europa League kick off at 19.00CET or 21.05CET.
The UEFA administration sets the kick-off times on the basis of the draw.
Exceptions to this rule can be made by the UEFA administration.

So, it's quite clear that the option is available to UEFA if they see fit or are otherwise convinced by representations made to them.
KarlHyde
27-02-2016
Originally Posted by TLG86:
“But just supposing United managed to get it moved to 20:05, would another game have to move to 18:00 - and would it be Spurs?”

That would be a disaster for German channel Sport 1. They're achieving record ratings with Dortmund's games in the late slot. And they already got screwed by UEFA when two of Dortmund's group games kicked off at 17:00cet instead of 21:05.
d'@ve
27-02-2016
Originally Posted by TLG86:
“But it's the same for seven of the other teams in the Last 16.”

No it isn't, they are all at least an hour ahead so 7pm+ for them. Some (maybe most) in less congested metropolitan areas.

It's difficult though, with Spurs being at home as well and broadcasters to keep happy, but that's what UEFA are paid for among other things, to solve problems like this.
KarlHyde
27-02-2016
http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/footba...a-move-7452376
Quote:
“But United feel the early kick-off is unfair on their fans, in terms of enabling them to make it to the game, and have contacted UEFA to request it be pushed back to 8pm.

The game at Anfield kicks off at 8.05pm on March 10 and United feel it is only fair their fans have parity with those of their fiercest rivals in terms of getting to the match.”

This is just plain ridiculous. English clubs are having their way (i.e. 8.05pm home kick-off) in more than 90% of fixtures. If they aren't prepared to accept UEFA's rules, maybe they should pull out of the competition. Regarding inconvenient kick-off times, they could ask Romanian or Ukrainian fans what they think about games beginning at 10.05pm local time in mid-November.
Tony_Daniels
27-02-2016
Originally Posted by KarlHyde:
“http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/footba...a-move-7452376

This is just plain ridiculous. English clubs are having their way (i.e. 8.05pm home kick-off) in more than 90% of fixtures. If they aren't prepared to accept UEFA's rules, maybe they should pull out of the competition. Regarding inconvenient kick-off times, they could ask Romanian or Ukrainian fans what they think about games beginning at 10.05pm local time in mid-November.”

I don't understand why you're so exercised about people in Romania and what time the game between two English clubs is on over there.

It'd only be 20 minutes after the standard CL kick off time. Would those 20 minutes become suddenly hugely inconvenient on a Thursday for some reason?
BenFranklin
27-02-2016
Some incredibly ill people in here.

I can think of a billion reasons why BT would want the ManUtd/Liverpool game to kick off at 8.
DragonQ
27-02-2016
Originally Posted by FusionFury:
“I'm enjoying the Europa League more than the Champion's League. Seems more fun and every game is entertaining with a "battle"

Plus I find Lineker very overrated.”

He's far better on MotD than on BT, it seems. Maybe because he's just more used to it and it's more scripted?
Judio
27-02-2016
I am pretty sure that a Spanish or Portuguese side had two 2005 kick off games in the last couple of years
Judio
27-02-2016
Originally Posted by KarlHyde:
“Confirmed kick-off times:

1st leg on 7th March
17:00 Anzhi - Newcastle
18:00 Stuttgart - Lazio
18:00 Plzen - Fenerbahce
18:00 Steaua - Chelsea
20:05 Levante - Rubin
20:05 Tottenham - Inter
20:05 Basel - Zenit
20:05 Benfica - Bordeaux

2nd leg on 14th March
17:00 Zenit - Basel
17:00 Rubin - Levante
18:00 Inter - Tottenham
20:05 Bordeaux - Benfica
20:05 Chelsea - Steaua
20:05 Fenerbahce - Plzen
20:05 Newcastle - Anzhi
20:05 Lazio - Stuttgart

http://www.uefa.com/uefaeuropaleague...358/index.html

It's unusual that both legs of Benfica v Bordeaux are in the late slot; this could be an error.”

Here is the time I meant Both at 2005
KarlHyde
27-02-2016
Originally Posted by Tony_Daniels:
“I don't understand why you're so exercised about people in Romania and what time the game between two English clubs is on over there.”

It's a European competition with centralised rights deals and centralised kick-off times. I don't like that but that's the way it is. So the fact that two English teams are playing against each other doesn't mean that only English fans and broadcasters are affected. TV stations from all over the world will be showing these games. If Man Utd v Liverpool is moved from 6 to 8.05, then either another game will be moved the other way round, or there will be additional competition for TV coverage in the late slot.

If UEFA move the game to 8.05 just because Man Utd think that 6pm would be "unfair to their fans", then they can just as soon abolish the system of centralised kick-offs.

Oh, and speaking of unfairness towards the fans: Man Utd might want to take a look at their ticket prices.
BenFranklin
27-02-2016
The issue of the early kick off time is pretty unique to England so you have no basis to make out that the whole system would have to be scrapped if UEFA moved one game involving two English clubs.
d'@ve
27-02-2016
Originally Posted by KarlHyde:
“It's a European competition with centralised rights deals and centralised kick-off times.”

A system now shown to be flawed, predictably because of different time zones. I'm surprised ths hasn't come up before but I suppose it's highlighted because of the size of the two clubs, their fan bases and the urban area in which it's being held.

UEFA have flexibility as pointed out earlier in the thread, matches have been moved before and this is a classic case where it needs doing again. Heck, we don't have this kind of 6pm nonsense in the Champions League and who runs that? Same people!

If UK TV ratings is an issue, 7pm and 9pm for Manchester and Tottenham (like in Europe) may be an acceptable compromise. Late night transport in London is very good so 9pm would work there, I think... and 7pm in Manchester would be a big improvement on 6pm, also matches the European KO times so those clubs couldn't squinny too much. Otherwise, 8pm for United *and* Spurs and the TV companies lump it, tough.
KarlHyde
27-02-2016
Originally Posted by BenFranklin:
“The issue of the early kick off time is pretty unique to England so you have no basis to make out that the whole system would have to be scrapped if UEFA moved one game involving two English clubs.”

In other countries, late kick-offs are just as inconvenient as early kick-offs are in England. Hence my example with group games kicking off late at night in freezing cold Eastern European countries. And if German clubs had their way, they'd kick off their home games at 20:30cet because 19:00 is too early for a lot of fans and 21:05 is too late.

So, as I've said earlier: English clubs are already having ideal kick-off times for more than 90% of their home Europa League games. Asking for special arrangements for the remaining 10% is just a step too far, if you ask me.

By the way, here's another example of England having their way with UEFA:
http://www.thefa.com/news/the-fa-cup...y-arsenal-date
tomee
27-02-2016
Originally Posted by Tony_Daniels:
“How would having a game kick off in the middle of rush hour help fans avoid the rush hour?”

When is rush hour?
KarlHyde
27-02-2016
Originally Posted by d'@ve:
“Heck, we don't have this kind of 6pm nonsense in the Champions League and who runs that? Same people!”

You do realise that the Champions League is UEFA's cash-cow, spread over two weekdays, while the Europa League has to accomodate up to 24 games on a single night=

Quote:
“If UK TV ratings is an issue, 7pm and 9pm for Manchester and Spurs (like in Europe) may be an acceptable compromise.”

You're forgetting that Spurs are playing against Borussia Dortmund, one of Europe's biggest clubs, from one of the biggest TV markets. No way is this game going to kick off at 22:05cet.
d'@ve
27-02-2016
Originally Posted by tomee:
“When is rush hour?”

"Manchester roads are generally free-flowing, with the exception of the morning and evening rush hours, when journey times can be increased three-fold. Times for the rush hours in Manchester are synonymous with the rest of the UK, usually weekdays 7:00-9:30 and 16:00-18:30. "

https://www.tripadvisor.co.uk/Travel...Departing.html

It would be far worse than the average rush hour for miles around Old Trafford, gridlock in fact, and many ticket holders who have to work that day would have trouble getting to the match on time. This is why United want the KO time moved.
popeye13
27-02-2016
Manchester will be nothing short of chaos if this is played at 6pm kick off.
Its nothing to do with English clubs getting their way with UEFA either, its about common sense prevailing for the benefit of both sets of supporters, safety AND the competition!
<<
<
108 of 120
>>
>
VIEW DESKTOP SITE TOP

JOIN US HERE

  • Facebook
  • Twitter

Hearst Corporation

Hearst Corporation

DIGITAL SPY, PART OF THE HEARST UK ENTERTAINMENT NETWORK

© 2015 Hearst Magazines UK is the trading name of the National Magazine Company Ltd, 72 Broadwick Street, London, W1F 9EP. Registered in England 112955. All rights reserved.

  • Terms & Conditions
  • Privacy Policy
  • Cookie Policy
  • Complaints
  • Site Map