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SSC
26-02-2010
Originally Posted by Mark.:
“That's because the Champions League has the luxury if two days.

I can assure you - both Liverpool and Fulham will play their home legs at 8.05.”

Because most of the bigger countries have at least three automatic Europa League teams (sometimes four/five reach the competition in other ways), I'm sure the UEFA kick-off times and broadcasters would've had a "rule" somewhere to have a maximum of two teams from the same nation kicking off at the same time.

However, when a nation is left with two (like England does now)... I'm sure UEFA will divide them into their two time slots on each match day (if of course it doesn't affect the opponent's nation).

Of course Fulham and Liverpool would like their home ties (which happen to be the second legs) to be an 8.05pm match... but I'm not so sure UEFA will arrange it like that and have them clashing.
KarlHyde
26-02-2010
Originally Posted by Mark.:
“Not exactly a "luxury".”

Hence the quotation marks.

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“Yes, let's cater for TV and the supporters can go jump off the nearest high building...”

I don't like it either but that's the way UEFA is running things: Centralised marketing means that all the TV money goes into UEFA's big wallet, and they'll do everything to satisfy the TV companies.
SSC
26-02-2010
Originally Posted by Mark.:
“Does anyone have a brick wall I can borrow...?

Just read my post again will you. I'm not repeating myself when it was so incredibly easy to understand in the first place.”

Either you throw a brick wall, or seriously, someone ELSE explain what he meant/said back there and therefore why Everton kick off both of their Last 32 games at 8.05pm?
SSC
26-02-2010
Correction of above post;

Either you throw a brick wall, or seriously, someone ELSE explain what he meant/said back there and therefore why Everton didn't kick off both of their Last 32 games at 8.05pm?
ariusuk
26-02-2010
Originally Posted by SSC:
“And if we continue to have double headers on ITV and ESPN in the Round of 16 (for each legs), why have you got 4 matches on ESPN?”

And how could ESPN show four matches with only two kick-off times available?

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“Will ITV do a double-header when in one of those weeks they won't have any English team?”

I see no reason why not.


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“For the other three games, it depends on the kick-off times. I would personally pick in the following order:

(1) Benfica-Marseille, (2) Valencia-Bremen, (3) Atletico-Sporting, (4) Humburg-Anderlecht, (5) Rubin-Wolfsburg*, (6) Panathinaikos-Standard.

* The first leg in Russia may have an early afternoon kick off and may therefore be an additional live game on ESPN?”

I would say Valencia v Bremen and Atletico v Sporting were both above Benfica v Marseille.
Mark.
26-02-2010
Originally Posted by SSC:
“Correction of above post;

Either you throw a brick wall, or seriously, someone ELSE explain what he meant/said back there and therefore why Everton didn't kick off both of their Last 32 games at 8.05pm?”

For crying out loud. It's incredibly simple.

Everton didn't kick off their home leg at 8.05pm, because:

1) They had to play on the Tuesday due to Liverpool being at home
2) UEFA wanted nothing to clash with the Champions League

If Liverpool had either not been at home, or not been in the tournament, Everton would have kicked off their home leg at 8.05pm on the Thursday.

Got it now?
Mark.
26-02-2010
Originally Posted by SSC:
“However, when a nation is left with two (like England does now)... I'm sure UEFA will divide them into their two time slots on each match day (if of course it doesn't affect the opponent's nation).

Of course Fulham and Liverpool would like their home ties (which happen to be the second legs) to be an 8.05pm match... but I'm not so sure UEFA will arrange it like that and have them clashing.”

It's not a case of "liking".

UEFA will aim to have British (and, seemingly, Portuguese) clubs kicking-off their home matches at 8.05pm. Why is it that this point was raised, then completely ignored by all and sundry?
KarlHyde
26-02-2010
Originally Posted by Mark.:
“UEFA will aim to have British (and, seemingly, Portuguese) clubs kicking-off their home matches at 8.05pm.”

Yes, but only if that doesn't mean a clash of two English teams at the same time!
Mark.
26-02-2010
Originally Posted by KarlHyde:
“Yes, but only if that doesn't mean a clash of two English teams at the same time!”

And your source for that is...
KarlHyde
26-02-2010
It's an educated guess, based on observing UEFA's marketing policies for years.
Mark.
26-02-2010
Originally Posted by KarlHyde:
“It's an educated guess, based on observing UEFA's marketing policies for years.”

Right, so you were wrong to embolden "only" as if what you were saying was gospel.

Thanks for clearing that up.
gilsta
26-02-2010
Originally Posted by KarlHyde:
“Yes, but only if that doesn't mean a clash of two English teams at the same time!”

Why did Fulham and Liverpool both kick off at 8.05pm last Thursday then?

The bigger picture though is these staggered kick off times are not really needed for Western European teams once the competition reaches the knock out stages.
t1t3h
26-02-2010
I hope one of the channels shows the Rubin Kazan-Wolfsburg game. Will this not be an afternoon kick off?
KarlHyde
26-02-2010
Originally Posted by gilsta:
“Why did Fulham and Liverpool both kick off at 8.05pm last Thursday then?”

Err... I know I'm walking on very thin ice now but I think that Everton & Liverpool were paired for TV reasons (i.e. could not play at the same time in both legs), while Fulhams kick-off times were determined randomly.

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“The bigger picture though is these staggered kick off times are not really needed for Western European teams once the competition reaches the knock out stages.”

Why not? The staggered times are essential for some TV stations, e.g. in Germany, because they want to show double-headers with German teams. That's the whole point of centralised marketing.
Mark.
26-02-2010
Originally Posted by KarlHyde:
“Err... I know I'm walking on very thin ice now but I think that Everton & Liverpool were paired for TV reasons (i.e. could not play at the same time in both legs)”

They were "paired" because they play at opposite ends of the same park...
ariusuk
26-02-2010
Five have picked Lille v Liverpool, at 6pm as their game.
gilsta
26-02-2010
Originally Posted by ariusuk:
“Five have picked Lille v Liverpool, at 6pm as their game.”

Thats a bit of a departure for them, considering Juventus v Fulham is a later kick off.

The home tie for Fulham will be a 6pm kick off - UEFA love making things awkward don't they.

Originally Posted by KarlHyde:
“Why not? The staggered times are essential for some TV stations, e.g. in Germany, because they want to show double-headers with German teams. That's the whole point of centralised marketing.”

No I agree it works in Germany, I was referring to more the UK, Spain and Portugal. To me it makes sense for games involving teams from these countries to kick off at a later time when possible, including away games. But when did UEFA ever think of the fans.
SSC
26-02-2010
Originally Posted by Mark.:
“For crying out loud. It's incredibly simple.

Everton didn't kick off their home leg at 8.05pm, because:

1) They had to play on the Tuesday due to Liverpool being at home
2) UEFA wanted nothing to clash with the Champions League

If Liverpool had either not been at home, or not been in the tournament, Everton would have kicked off their home leg at 8.05pm on the Thursday.

Got it now?”

OK, I completely forgot Everton had played on the Tuesday (sorry for that) but how are you SO sure that Everton would've kicked off both of their games at 8.05pm in the same (last 32) round - had Liverpool been away in the first leg, or not in the tournament at all? (In your original post you seem to mix up something you didn't know: "I don't think there is anything about home and away legs being at different times", with a prediction: "Clearly if...")


When possible, teams from the same nation will be divided equally to the two official UEFA Europa League time slots, and rotated to the other time slot for the second legs. (It has also happened on the one/two of the "matchdays" from the group stage earlier in the tournament too!) Although I have not read that up as a rule in some UEFA rulebook or anything, quite clearly that's how things have been arranged so far this season...

And look... in the last 16 schedules neither of the English teams clash, neither of the Portuguese clubs clash, neither of the Spanish clubs clash, neither of thae French clubs clash, neither of the Belgian clubs clash, and they rotate the kick off times for the second legs too!

Anyway, I don't want (another) brick thrown at me...
SSC
26-02-2010
Originally Posted by ariusuk:
“Five have picked Lille v Liverpool, at 6pm as their game.”

If that's true, other than chasing ratings, I can't think why they've picked that game (at that time) ahead of Juve-Fulham in their regular first choice slot!
SSC
27-02-2010
Originally Posted by gilsta:
“Why did Fulham and Liverpool both kick off at 8.05pm last Thursday then?

The bigger picture though is these staggered kick off times are not really needed for Western European teams once the competition reaches the knock out stages.”

First legs you're talking about here... Because the Everton-Sporting game was the only fixture (from the 16 matches) to be moved to the Tuesday, that fixture would've normally filled the Thursday 6pm slot as there were only seven games that were actually played at that time, as opposed to the eight in the 8.05pm slot.*

Also, as there were three English clubs in that round (obviously you can't equally divide them), Liverpool were paired with Fulham (as people have mentioned), and Everton were on their own.

And you can see how those matches were rotated for the second legs this week. Both Fulham and Liverpool played in the 6pm slot, and Everton (back on Thursday) played in the 8.05pm slot.


* The same happened with the Hertha Berlin-Benfica tie. The second leg of that was played on Tuesday at 5pm. Therefore, there was an empty eighth slot at 6pm on Thursday. (The first leg in Berlin kicked off at 8.05pm.)
KarlHyde
27-02-2010
Full fixture list:

http://www.uefa.com/uefaeuropaleague/matches/index.html

My prediction wasn't that bad after all...
Judio
03-03-2010
ITV 4

6.00 Hamburg v Anderlecht
8.05 Juventus v Fulham

Anybody heard about ESPN matches ??
stato77
04-03-2010
Atletico Madrid V Sporting Lisbon - 18:00 - ESPN
Lille V Liverpool - 18:00 - Five
Hamburg V Anderlecht - 18:00 - ITV4
Valencia V Werder Bremen - 20:05 - ESPN
Juventus V Fulham - 20:05 - ITV4

http://www.live-footballontv.com/liv...all-on-tv.html
digiremote
14-03-2010
UEFA Europa League Round Of 16 2nd Legs:

Thursday 18th March 2010:

Liverpool (0) v Lille (1) -8:05pm Five
Fulham (1) v Juventus (3) - 6pm ESPN
Wolfsburg (1) v Rubin Kazan (1) - 8:05pm ESPN
Werder Bremen (1) v Valencia (1) - 6pm ITV4
Sporting (0) v Athletico Madrid (0)- 8:05pm ITV4
singhss1
18-03-2010
I thought Five had first pick so why did they not pick Fulham vs Juventus.
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