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So I guess that means Everton on five and Fulham on ITV 4 unless Fulham have some very good group opponents?
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So I guess that means Everton on five and Fulham on ITV 4 unless Fulham have some very good group opponents?
What has happened illustrates why these Europa League rights are not worth very much. Five are now guaranteed 6 Everton games, some of which will be against very low profile opponents. After that it's pot luck how far Everton go. The Fulham and Celtic games are not going to attract much of a TV audience across the UK. |
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But now that Villa are out, ITV4 are going to have to show either Celtic or Fulham (instead of Villa, which I guess was the plan.)
So it remains to be seen if there are any bidders for Setantas rights might BBC Scotland be tempted for Celtics matches? |
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So it remains to be seen if there are any bidders for Setantas rights might BBC Scotland be tempted for Celtics matches?
If no-one else is interested I wouldn't be surprised to see five try to pick up some more rights at bargain basement prices so they can show back-to-back matches. Although these rights aren't very valuable at the moment from next season that could slowly change with Man City's gradual rise threatening the Big Four. |
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#105 |
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You'd imagine they're interested this year but with no guarantee of Scottish involvement in future years there could be some complex negotiations.
If no-one else is interested I wouldn't be surprised to see five try to pick up some more rights at bargain basement prices so they can show back-to-back matches. Although these rights aren't very valuable at the moment from next season that could slowly change with Man City's gradual rise threatening the Big Four. I'd say that there's about a one-in-five or so chance of the fourth-placed PL club ending up in the Europa League group stage. |
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You'd imagine they're interested this year but with no guarantee of Scottish involvement in future years there could be some complex negotiations.
If no-one else is interested I wouldn't be surprised to see five try to pick up some more rights at bargain basement prices so they can show back-to-back matches. Although these rights aren't very valuable at the moment from next season that could slowly change with Man City's gradual rise threatening the Big Four. If you look at the seedings below, there's plenty of potential for attractive fixtures. There's also the possibility of Fulham v Celtic. http://www.uefa.com/competitions/uef...id=878172.html |
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Do you think the BBC Scotland may collect Celtic games if not selected by Five or ITV
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Do you think the BBC Scotland may collect Celtic games if not selected by Five or ITV
It would really have a to be a national BBC bid. |
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The rights are centralised, so BBC Scotland would need to bid for a package of picks...but there would then be no guarantee that they would get Celtic, because Five or ITV might take their game.
It would really have a to be a national BBC bid. |
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Could STV bid for Celtic?
They need to bid for a package or packages of rights previously held by Setanta. And those rights don't provide teams, they provide picks. |
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Group C
Hamburg Celtic Hapoel Tel-Aviv Rapid Vienna Group E Roma Basel Fulham CSKA Sofia Group I Benfica Everton AEK Athens BATE Arguably Fulham have the most interesting group. Not many stand out ties in other groups, Villarreal v Lazio and Panathinaikos v Galatasary could be half decent fourth picks if anyone picks up those rights. |
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Does anyone know how the picks are worked out and when?
E.g. Is it stated which days Setanta were meant to have their games? If so we could face the absurb situation in which ITV on one week have just one game to show (thus Celtic/ Fulham/Everton not televised) and then on another week they are forced to show a game with no British involvement |
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Channel 5 have first pick each game, and are almost certainly going to pick Everton each and every game until they are knocked out or get to the final.
2nd picks - ITV and Setanta had 7 each. Obviously Setanta going bust sort of means that won't happen now, but I think it would have meant Fulham/Celtic on ITV and Setanta in different weeks. I too would be interested in what weeks were for what TV companies. 3rd picks - ITV had 4, Setanta 8. I guess these were meant for Fulham/Celtic. 4th and 5th picks were obviously if more than 3 British teams had got through (which was easily possible.) I guess now some foreign teams will be shown. Although if Setanta rights are not brought I assume the TV rights effictively some of ITVs 3rd and 4th picks effictively become 2nd and 3rd picks. |
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They can't "bid for Celtic".
They need to bid for a package or packages of rights previously held by Setanta. And those rights don't provide teams, they provide picks. If your interpretation of the rules is correct, we could end up in a situation where Celtic matches are broadcast live and free to view for viewers in Ireland but are not available to viewers in Scotland
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On another thread this has been dicussed as 2nd picks may have to be 'saved' contractually for the semi-finals. Hence as Setanta (from memory) had 2 semi final games (2 on Five) if no-one buys Setanta's package then ITV may not be able to show it.
Imagine if the semi line up was Roma V Everton and Benfica V Fulham with only one game shown live
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#116 |
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Surely STV/BBC Scotland could purchase a 1st pick package for the Scottish broadcast territory? I bet RTE gets 1st pick of matches for its territory.
If your interpretation of the rules is correct, we could end up in a situation where Celtic matches are broadcast live and free to view for viewers in Ireland but are not available to viewers in Scotland ![]() Quote:
On another thread this has been dicussed as 2nd picks may have to be 'saved' contractually for the semi-finals. Hence as Setanta (from memory) had 2 semi final games (2 on Five) if no-one buys Setanta's package then ITV may not be able to show it.
Imagine if the semi line up was Roma V Everton and Benfica V Fulham with only one game shown live ![]() Surely not every broadcaster believes the rights to be too expensive, considering the (relatively) minuscule amounts involved? |
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The UK is classed as a single broadcast territory, but for the Champions League the "local" broadcaster for Scotland is allowed to make their own pick.
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#118 |
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On another thread this has been dicussed as 2nd picks may have to be 'saved' contractually for the semi-finals. Hence as Setanta (from memory) had 2 semi final games (2 on Five) if no-one buys Setanta's package then ITV may not be able to show it.
Imagine if the semi line up was Roma V Everton and Benfica V Fulham with only one game shown live ![]() Five - 2 (obviously) ITV4 - 1 Setanta - 1 |
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It seems utterly bizarre that UEFA haven't found another broadcast partner to replace Setanta.
Surely not every broadcaster believes the rights to be too expensive, considering the (relatively) minuscule amounts involved? I can't imagine anyone now paying what Setanta were contracted to pay. So I think it will just be a question of whether UEFA will accept a nominal fee (most likely from Five or ITV4) for Setanta's rights. I think it's a very good point about the possibility of much stronger English teams in the Europa League next year. But at the same time it is far from certain - remember 2 of the 3 places go to the FA Cup and Carling Cup winners so it's very possible to get surprise Cup winners just leaving the team coming 5th in the PL as the only strong team (with Five getting all their games). So I don't think anyone will factor much extra in on a gamble of stronger teams next year. |
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I think the 4 semi legs were:
Five - 2 (obviously) ITV4 - 1 Setanta - 1 It does seem strange that no one has replaced Setanta yet for the Europa League. If Setantas 2nd picks are not shown do UEFA select them? How does it work? Who decides what matches are 2nd picks if the TV companies don't? |
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#121 |
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I think it's a very good point about the possibility of much stronger English teams in the Europa League next year. But at the same time it is far from certain - remember 2 of the 3 places go to the FA Cup and Carling Cup winners so it's very possible to get surprise Cup winners just leaving the team coming 5th in the PL as the only strong team (with Five getting all their games).
So I don't think anyone will factor much extra in on a gamble of stronger teams next year. The only problem is five have first pick. With ITV having most second picks, the gamble is more who the third team will be. This is all assuming Setanta UK held the rights, of course. |
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But I would say that stronger teams are almost guaranteed as Tottenham had a bad start to the season last season and recovered to only just miss out on the Europa League by finishing 8th. Not knocking Fulham they did do well to finish 7th, but Tottenham are a more TV friendly team.
There is Manchester City as well with the money and they are not in Europe this year. Add the Big 4, Villa and Everton and there are 8 TV friendly teams competing for 7 places. Of course its not guaranteed that teams go through to the group stage, but I would guess more often than not they will do. |
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Thursday 17th September2009
Hapoel Tel-Aviv FC - Celtic FC 6pm CSKA Sofia - Fulham FC 6pm Everton FC - AEK Athens FC 8.05pm Thursday 1st October 2009 Celtic FC - Rapid Vienna 8.05pm Fulham FC - FC Basel 8.05pm BATE Borisov - Everton FC 6pm Thursday 22nd October 2009 Celtic FC - Hamburg 8.05pm Fulham FC - AS Roma 8.05pm Benfica - Everton FC 6pm Thursday 5th November 2009 Hamburg - Celtic FC 6pm Roma - Fulham FC 6pm Everton FC - Benfica 8.05pm Wednesday 2nd December 2009 Celtic FC - Hapoel Tel-Aviv 8.05pm AEK Athens FC - Everton FC 6pm Thursday 3rd December 2009 Fulham FC - CSKA Sofia 8.05pm Wednesday 16th December 2009 FC Basel - Fulham FC 6pm Thursday 17th December 2009 Rapid Vienna - Celtic FC 6pm Everton FC - FC BATE 8.05pm |
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#124 |
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Those fixtures could make third choice rights very attractive to five, Celtic and Everton are always back-to-back.
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#125 |
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The fixtures also illustrate why the rights aren't worth much.
Everyone plays 3 games at 6pm and 3 games at 8.05pm. So half the matches aren't even fully in prime-time. But a good chance Five will try and pick up Setanta's rights for a nominal fee so they can have doubleheaders. |
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