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Old 12-01-2010, 23:30
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I'm not following? is Adam gay then?
I don't think he is - I think Adam just feels protective of Holly and can see that Aaron's being dishonest.

I wonder how Moira would react to a gay Aaron? Maybe she'd soften her view of him a bit. He's taking an awful lot of crap from Cain, who I now can't stand
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Old 12-01-2010, 23:38
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Aaron's deceiving himself but he's not deliberately lying.
Every time he's denied his gay feelings to others he's lied. He's living a lie. Not entirely his fault, the ignorant Dingles and their 19th century attitudes don't help. He even lied to Holly and Paddy, both of whom offered to talk things over with him. Claiming to be straight when you've tried to kiss someone of your own sex is lying in my book.

I think it'd be great if Moira broke through to Aaron in some way and helped him to accept his emotions. It's unlikely though.
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Old 12-01-2010, 23:42
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I'm not following? is Adam gay then?

crikey, I can't keep up..
The way his storyline has been written so far certainly leaves the door open to the possibilty......
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Old 12-01-2010, 23:49
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The way his storyline has been written so far certainly leaves the door open to the possibilty......
I remember rumours about Ryan & Nathan too. I think people tend to read sexuality into situations that are innocent sometimes.

I'm still waiting for Moira's battleaxe mother to arrive
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Old 12-01-2010, 23:51
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Every time he's denied his gay feelings to others he's lied. He's living a lie. Not entirely his fault, the ignorant Dingles and their 19th century attitudes don't help. He even lied to Holly and Paddy, both of whom offered to talk things over with him. Claiming to be straight when you've tried to kiss someone of your own sex is lying in my book.
You're making the assumption that he already knows he's gay then

He had a "weird" moment with his best-buddy during an emotionally traumatic moment.
I don't think he's processed anything beyond that point yet.
Interestingly he used the word "Mancrush" in a sarcastic remark he made to Cain in Monday's epi - it's possible he currently just thinks his "moment" was due to the fact he'd bonded with Adam - emotionally he was all over the place & Adam was certainly being too intimate & attentive to him.
This storyline has still got a long way to go.
I had a "crush" on a guy at school - I didn't realise/acknowledge/understand I was gay till I was 19/20.

You can't lie about something if you don't know it to be true......
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Old 12-01-2010, 23:54
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This storyline has still got a long way to go.
God I hope not, I'm bored to tears, with this family already..
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Old 12-01-2010, 23:56
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He had a "weird" moment with his best-buddy during an emotionally traumatic moment.
I don't think it was a weird moment, I think it was a natural urge to kiss a male. Plus, it's very easy to tell he's just going through the motions with Holly.

He may still be coming to terms with it but yes, I think Aaron's either bi or gay.

Moira's going to sort him out
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Old 13-01-2010, 00:00
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it's very easy to tell he's just going through the motions with Holly.
God I despise the character Holly, she's so hideously Vain, and full of herself, and so far up her own ass, you can only see the soles of her feet.

I'm actually, looking forward her finding Aaron in a clinch, with some hunky bloke, and the penny dropping, that her brother was actually telling the truth.

after that.. I'll be bored again..
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Old 13-01-2010, 00:05
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I'm actually, looking forward her finding Aaron in a clinch, with some hunky bloke, and the penny dropping, that her brother was actually telling the truth.
She'd probably sketch a still life of them first before reacting

I like Hannah, I think she's played by a good actor, and Adam

How anyone can think the Barton kids resemble John or Moira is beyond me
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Old 13-01-2010, 00:08
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How anyone can think the Barton kids resemble John or Moira is beyond me
John and Moira, also look like Barton kids... lol lol lol so whose the Daddy.. lol lol

Maybe John and Moira are Brother and Sister...

Flowers in the Attic.. yeeauckk
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Old 13-01-2010, 00:09
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He may still be coming to terms with it but yes, I think Aaron's either bi or gay.
Then sadly you're missing the whole point of the story

Yes - it is likely that Aaron is either Bi or gay - that's the whole purpose of the story being told in the soap.
But it's also about following the process of him understanding and coming to terms with it - seriously, you don't just feel an urge about a guy and then suddenly go - gosh I must be gay?

This is part of a much larger post I did for another forum where we are watching his story more closely....


I'm pretty sure that (as yet) Aaron has not even entertained the notion that he is gay - he knows "something" happened that night with Adam but I still think it's not entirely clear in his head "why" he did it - in fact, I might even go as far as to say he "blames" Adam for "making" it happen - i.e. it wasn't me, he did something to me?

No doubt it could be argued now - that because he is dating Holly, it is a sign that he is "covering up" his feelings for Adam - but that would only be the case if he was certain that he had feelings for Adam - and he would have to have those feelings on a conscious level.
My question is does he?
Yes - we have seen the occasional stolen look - the best one being the one during the karaoke session - however, that look was so brief that you only really get to see it's significance when you press the pause button on the clip.
Would he really be so brave as to have looked so lovingly at Adam whilst standing blatantly in front of everyone else knowing that they were watching him?
My guess is that look came completely from his subconsious and he was probably unaware that he was even looking at him like that.
So why is he dating Holly?
Well - for the same reason as he would do even if he was str8 - someone throws a gay slur at you and you have a girl asking you out - wouldn't you date her?
The fact that he's using the "I'm having sex" with her tagline to prove his str8ness is very significant - because I genuinely think he believes (himself) that must mean he's str8.
Gay men don't have sex with girls!!!!!

The one thing that Aaron has yet to understand is that sexuality has as much to do with feelings and emotions as it has to do with the physical act of being with someone.
I think this is gonna be the most difficult hurdle he will have to cross - primarily, because Aaron is so emotionally shut down that he doesn't allow himself to have feelings for anyone. The fact that he is genuinely a very emotional young guy is the very thing that leads him to be the emotionally volatile teenager that he has shown himself to be. His repressed feelings reach the point where he can no longer control them and "BAM" it all boils out in an uncontrollable manner that has no sense or logic to it. This is also where he has learned the trait of manipulation - once the explosion has occurred - he then has to find a means to "justify" what he's just done - what better than to twist the true nature of events away from yourself - than allow anyone to get close to the truth - because getting close to the truth means getting close to him - and that's a big no-no in Aarons' world - you can't get hurt if you don't let anyone in.

We've seen this already - the manipulation of Adam after the near-kiss - but more importantly - the explosion that happened within himself after he drove away from Adam - pushing people away (Paddy & Lizzie) and then the utter anguish and tears as it eventually all came flooding out. The next day, we had Aaron the walking automaton, dull, repressed fighting back every ounce of emotion back into a place where he could control and manipulate the situation - back to his safe little world.


My point in re-posting this here is not to make you change your opinion - but at least allow you to consider the possibilty that he might not yet be lying
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Old 13-01-2010, 00:12
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Then sadly you're missing the whole point of the story

Yes - it is likely that Aaron is either Bi or gay - that's the whole purpose of the story being told in the soap.
But it's also about following the process of him understanding and coming to terms with it - seriously, you don't just feel an urge about a guy and then suddenly go - gosh I must be gay?

This is part of a much larger post I did for another forum where we are watching his story more closely....


I'm pretty sure that (as yet) Aaron has not even entertained the notion that he is gay - he knows "something" happened that night with Adam but I still think it's not entirely clear in his head "why" he did it - in fact, I might even go as far as to say he "blames" Adam for "making" it happen - i.e. it wasn't me, he did something to me?

No doubt it could be argued now - that because he is dating Holly, it is a sign that he is "covering up" his feelings for Adam - but that would only be the case if he was certain that he had feelings for Adam - and he would have to have those feelings on a conscious level.
My question is does he?
Yes - we have seen the occasional stolen look - the best one being the one during the karaoke session - however, that look was so brief that you only really get to see it's significance when you press the pause button on the clip.
Would he really be so brave as to have looked so lovingly at Adam whilst standing blatantly in front of everyone else knowing that they were watching him?
My guess is that look came completely from his subconsious and he was probably unaware that he was even looking at him like that.
So why is he dating Holly?
Well - for the same reason as he would do even if he was str8 - someone throws a gay slur at you and you have a girl asking you out - wouldn't you date her?
The fact that he's using the "I'm having sex" with her tagline to prove his str8ness is very significant - because I genuinely think he believes (himself) that must mean he's str8.
Gay men don't have sex with girls!!!!!

The one thing that Aaron has yet to understand is that sexuality has as much to do with feelings and emotions as it has to do with the physical act of being with someone.
I think this is gonna be the most difficult hurdle he will have to cross - primarily, because Aaron is so emotionally shut down that he doesn't allow himself to have feelings for anyone. The fact that he is genuinely a very emotional young guy is the very thing that leads him to be the emotionally volatile teenager that he has shown himself to be. His repressed feelings reach the point where he can no longer control them and "BAM" it all boils out in an uncontrollable manner that has no sense or logic to it. This is also where he has learned the trait of manipulation - once the explosion has occurred - he then has to find a means to "justify" what he's just done - what better than to twist the true nature of events away from yourself - than allow anyone to get close to the truth - because getting close to the truth means getting close to him - and that's a big no-no in Aarons' world - you can't get hurt if you don't let anyone in.

We've seen this already - the manipulation of Adam after the near-kiss - but more importantly - the explosion that happened within himself after he drove away from Adam - pushing people away (Paddy & Lizzie) and then the utter anguish and tears as it eventually all came flooding out. The next day, we had Aaron the walking automaton, dull, repressed fighting back every ounce of emotion back into a place where he could control and manipulate the situation - back to his safe little world.


My point in re-posting this here is not to make you change your opinion - but at least allow you to consider the possibilty that he might not yet be lying
sorry mate.. your way way way too deep for me..
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Old 13-01-2010, 00:19
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Well no layne, no they won't. Because when thread titles are as agressive as this one no one in the green room reads them. Except me of course but then I'm an odd case. In the past folk at Emmie used to read and discuss these forums, but since forum members have been unable to extend the civility they are compelled to show one another, to other members of the human race, actor readership has fallen away to nothing.

New members of the cast are warned not to look at them for fear of offence, so while you may enjoy attacking us with impunity, you lack any of the relevence that you might have enjoyed if you'd been able to keep a civil tongue in your heads. Enjoy.
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Old 13-01-2010, 02:02
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Is about time this thread was closed you all should be ashamed of yourselves, how would you like to go to work every day and then come home to find you have been slated by everyone to whome your work is all about,

These people have feelings its about time they where respected
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Old 13-01-2010, 03:20
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Well no layne, no they won't. Because when thread titles are as agressive as this one no one in the green room reads them. Except me of course but then I'm an odd case. In the past folk at Emmie used to read and discuss these forums, but since forum members have been unable to extend the civility they are compelled to show one another, to other members of the human race, actor readership has fallen away to nothing.

New members of the cast are warned not to look at them for fear of offence, so while you may enjoy attacking us with impunity, you lack any of the relevence that you might have enjoyed if you'd been able to keep a civil tongue in your heads. Enjoy.
I understand what you are saying and some of the criticism is totally unnecessary and uncalled for. Personal attacks on the actors are nasty, unconstructive and 'not on' generally but with all due respect have you read the full thread? There have been many Moira supporters posting on here and IMO it's what has kept the thread interesting. Yes the title may be emotive, even sensationalist, but it's worked both ways - people have come on in their droves to defend Moira and the actress who plays her And in layne's defence, she's always said it's the character that she has had difficulty liking not the actress. She has seen the actress in other roles and enjoyed her work but just cannot take to her in this role. An opinion she is entitled to surely?

I think it's very wise advice to cast members to keep away from internet forums!

And from a personal perspective, I've never said anything offensive about the actress or her portrayal of the role - only commented on things the character has done to annoy me! But I'm still a fan of Moira, I love warts and all characters


Is about time this thread was closed you all should be ashamed of yourselves, how would you like to go to work every day and then come home to find you have been slated by everyone to whome your work is all about,

These people have feelings its about time they where respected
I couldn't agree more but 'these people' surely realise that they work in a medium where they are open to debate and even criticism by the general public, TV critics etc. A thin skin in the entertainment industry is not recommended! They're best off following the advice of their employers and avoiding internet forums altogether IMO. I would never look at them in a million years if I was in their position.
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Old 13-01-2010, 03:51
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I remember rumours about Ryan & Nathan too. I think people tend to read sexuality into situations that are innocent sometimes.

I'm still waiting for Moira's battleaxe mother to arrive
Oh yes! Moira's Mum - if that conversation they all had at Christmas over the phone with her is anything to go by it's going to be fun She's obviously loved but in small doses and it will be interesting to see how the Barton's cope with her long term. I'd love it if she ends up sticking her nose into all their business and outs Aaron as gay immediately with the powers of her souped up Gaydar! Oh, and sorts out the bullies for Holly, or is it Hannah? (I wish they'd chosen a different name for one of them, I get really mixed up with them having the same first initial! ) As you can see, I have high hopes for Moira's Ma

I wonder who's playing her? In my mind she's someone like Pam Ferris when she's playing a larger than life, battleaxe type of character (not the narcoleptic she played in Gavin and Stacey!)

Can't wait!
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Old 13-01-2010, 07:09
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Well no layne, no they won't. Because when thread titles are as agressive as this one no one in the green room reads them. Except me of course but then I'm an odd case. In the past folk at Emmie used to read and discuss these forums, but since forum members have been unable to extend the civility they are compelled to show one another, to other members of the human race, actor readership has fallen away to nothing.

New members of the cast are warned not to look at them for fear of offence, so while you may enjoy attacking us with impunity, you lack any of the relevence that you might have enjoyed if you'd been able to keep a civil tongue in your heads. Enjoy.
So You have never in your life said to someone, oh that character from a show gets on my nerves or that person in the papers?

Sorry, but Moira Barton is not real, she's made up. At no point has anyone made any nasty comments about the Actress.
I don't see you defending comments made about Maxwell C's looks/ acting ability. Or Kim T's appearance, or Amanda Ds for that matter, comments made about the woman that plays Genneh that are below the belt. Those are definitely offensive towards the people that play them. They surpass anything that has been written on this thread.
There is also an axing thread floating around and people calling for child actors to be axed etc.
There's 38 pages of people saying Natalie is beautiful, a great actress, that they love the Bartons, and there are comments that say we don't like Mrs B, we can't stand her.
I don't believe that actors shy away from reading forums because someone made a thread about a character they don't like.
I mean there are plenty of threads across this forum on the showbiz, BB, MJ sections that attack people in an unthinkable way.
When it comes down to it, if the thread was called, Mrs B - she's so lovely, people wouldn't have had anywhere near the inclination to discuss Mrs B and the rest of the characters that interact with her.
Just think about how much rubbish is thrown at Queen Elizabeth, Soldiers, Doctors and Nurses.
Prince Charles does so much for man kind, yet he gets slated left and right.
I don't know why you are singling out this particular thread after it has been going for so long, or me for that matter, but that's your choice. Like I said, there are many many comments floating around that gravely attack actors and actresses.
In the end, all I get from this is that viewers shouldn't have opinions that are anything but positive and some people in showbiz can't handle criticism of parts they play.
I've met Lance Bombardier Ben Parkinson (I think that's his name) and other soldiers that have been mamed by Afghanistan and Iraq. If you want to talk humanity, maybe showbizness isn't the right place to start, what's humane about getting yourself blown up in a war for territory and being paid a minimum wage compared to someone in showbiz?

No one is disputing that the cast of Emmerdale don't work hard, so do Nursers and Care workers and let's face it they get a heck of a lot more stick daily.

In the end, I think I may have had a lot more inclination to take on board what you say, if you had done so via PM. That way, it would have saved the whole world looking in (lets face it, neither you or I know whose reading) to me it makes no odds, but then I am not in the public eye.
On topic, I still don't like Moira Barton, but I am glad people are about to tell me why they do and why they don't. I have been polite throughout this thread even to those who haven't been to me.
 
Old 13-01-2010, 07:10
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Is about time this thread was closed you all should be ashamed of yourselves, how would you like to go to work every day and then come home to find you have been slated by everyone to whome your work is all about,

These people have feelings its about time they where respected
The same could be said most threads on this forum and the showbiz and politics and music section.
 
Old 13-01-2010, 07:42
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Claiming to be straight when you've tried to kiss someone of your own sex is lying in my book.
Kissing [or trying to] someone of the same sex does not mean that you are not straight, either.
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Old 13-01-2010, 07:58
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Kissing [or trying to] someone of the same sex does not mean that you are not straight, either.
Agreed. Sexuality is more complex than that. I believe most people have a bi-sexual tendency - regardless of following up on it.
 
Old 13-01-2010, 09:04
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Is about time this thread was closed you all should be ashamed of yourselves, how would you like to go to work every day and then come home to find you have been slated by everyone to whome your work is all about,

These people have feelings its about time they where respected
crikey..
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Old 13-01-2010, 11:07
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Well no layne, no they won't. Because when thread titles are as agressive as this one no one in the green room reads them. Except me of course but then I'm an odd case. In the past folk at Emmie used to read and discuss these forums, but since forum members have been unable to extend the civility they are compelled to show one another, to other members of the human race, actor readership has fallen away to nothing.

New members of the cast are warned not to look at them for fear of offence, so while you may enjoy attacking us with impunity, you lack any of the relevence that you might have enjoyed if you'd been able to keep a civil tongue in your heads. Enjoy.
Some forum posters DO make personal attacks, do take things to far and aggressive, however Layne is not one of them: she makes fair, critical points related to her personal preferences regarding what she likes and doesnt like in the show. Stop taking things so damn personally, it would be a boring world if we all liked the same characters!
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Old 13-01-2010, 11:13
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you might have enjoyed if you'd been able to keep a civil tongue in your heads.
Like starting a thread up called 'I can't stand Layne'? The title of this thread refers to a fictional character. Your one ( luckily deleted ) referred to an actual FM.

Preach civility by all means, but please use it yourself.

Once again, taking things personally and too seriously is wrecking a polite debate that was posted here to avoid the sensitivities of those who can't handle it.

If you can't discuss Moira properly, for god's sake go to other threads.
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Old 13-01-2010, 11:15
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Then sadly you're missing the whole point of the story
In your opinion My opinion is he's lying, but I might be wrong. As you might
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Old 13-01-2010, 11:16
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Agreed. Sexuality is more complex than that. I believe most people have a bi-sexual tendency - regardless of following up on it.
It's something that I find truly fascinating, and is something that I want to look at more in a more in-depth way in future. What you've said is certainly true for myself [I know that I am bisexual, but have never pursued a relationship with either sex because I am a tremendously shy person offline], but I don't know how true it will be for other people. You could well be right, though! Perhaps this is the case with Aaron again; I don't know.

What I do know is that I am probably over-thinking this now, and I apologise for this.
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