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Old 18-08-2009, 23:03
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After sixty years is there any defence for the BBC giving one hour dedicated to women every morning?

This is absolute and blatant sexism. There is no mens hours with the likes of Clarkson etc.

Do I have the right to complain under the sex discrimination act?
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Old 18-08-2009, 23:07
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No, you don't.
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Old 18-08-2009, 23:15
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I want an one-hour radio 4 programme devoted to TV's.


Trannies, not the evil box!!!
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Old 19-08-2009, 08:34
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I agree, it seems to be a bit of an anachronism these days.
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Old 19-08-2009, 08:41
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This is such an old topic and hardly worth discussing. Radio 4 have even acknowledged it by broadcasting the occasional Men's Hour with Jon Snow.

Clarkson is a bad example to cite - he already presents a regular Men's Hour on TV - it's called Top Gear
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Old 19-08-2009, 09:28
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He's also a complete and utter t*at.
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Old 19-08-2009, 11:15
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Makes me laugh... just one hour per day (well, actually 45 mins because 15 mins of it is a radio play) on R4 which is specifically women oriented programming, and yet still some people moan that it's to much!
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Old 19-08-2009, 11:23
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If only the other 23 hours were solely for the benefit of men.
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Old 19-08-2009, 12:14
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It's the name that's out of date more than anything else, the actual content of the programme has a lot of general appeal. If they called it something else it could reach a wider audience without changing the content that much.

My take on this would be that the whole concept of a women's radio hour is rather patronising and old-fashioned, like something devised in the 1950s. There's no real need for this kind of thing any more.
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Old 19-08-2009, 13:35
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If only the other 23 hours were solely for the benefit of men.
Most of the things in the world seem to exist solely for the benefit of men.
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Old 19-08-2009, 13:38
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Old 19-08-2009, 13:58
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Old 19-08-2009, 15:55
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Most of the things in the world seem to exist solely for the benefit of men.
So not a sexist generalisation there then?

Yes, it sexist to have a programme dedicated to woman only, but then in today's society its ok to be sexist - but only against males.
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Old 19-08-2009, 16:08
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So not a sexist generalisation there then?

Yes, it sexist to have a programme dedicated to woman only, but then in today's society its ok to be sexist - but only against males.
I don't agree that there's a need for a programme called Woman's Hour because women aren't all interested in the same things, just as I wouldn't agree that it's only men who are interested in the very many sports programmes, cop shows, car shows, gadget shows, DIY shows etc.

However, the above comment is absurd.
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Old 19-08-2009, 16:36
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However, the above comment is absurd.
Not from where I am standing.

Trust me - I have experienced a tremendous amount of anti-male sexism in all levels of our society.
Ranging from the sterotypical male in TV adverts, who is nearly always portrayed as a lazy bumbling oaff who can't undertake any household task, to the father who tries to obtain custurdy of his children after a divorce.

And no - I don't have an axe to grind, it's just the way I see it.
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Old 19-08-2009, 16:39
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Is it just me or is the name "Women's Hour" extremely condenscending?
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Old 19-08-2009, 16:45
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Given that it's a show on Radio 4 show, a station which is supposed to be more intelligent and thought provoking, perhaps another way of looking at this is that by allowing Woman's Hour to continue in this day and age, Radio 4 is actually being sexist against women?

If "How Clean is Your House" was designed to go into the homes of women every week and show them how to clean their houses properly, or Masterchef was geared up around middle aged women showing off what family meals they can cook, they'd be crucified by the Daily Mail. Unless the presenters also worked for the Daily Mail, of course. But that wouldn't be a first.

I think Women's Hour on the schedule is actually rather quaint. There are plenty of radio and TV shows that are more popular with women than men, without the need for such explicit and protective/defencive boundaries. As someone else pointed out, women are big fans of sport, motoring, DIY and other kinds of supposedly 'male' programming, both on TV and radio.

Even shows like Doctor Who and Torchwood are watched and liked much more by women than men, which when you consider the stereotype of the average sci-fi viewer being a 14 year old boy in brown corduroys and lacking social skills, you have to wonder just how relevant the stereotype of the average Woman's Hour listener is.

Perhaps, like Top of the Pops in this digital downloads age, it needs to be put out to pasture.

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Old 19-08-2009, 17:07
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Clarkson is a bad example to cite - he already presents a regular Men's Hour on TV - it's called Top Gear
Supposedly a car show, but it's really just the 'look at me i'm a Yorkshire tw*t' show these days
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Old 19-08-2009, 21:44
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After sixty years is there any defence for the BBC giving one hour dedicated to women every morning?

This is absolute and blatant sexism. There is no mens hours with the likes of Clarkson etc.

Do I have the right to complain under the sex discrimination act?
There is a station that does a 'Men's Hour' and you wouldn't believe that amount of women that whine about it.
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Old 19-08-2009, 22:52
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What a carp thread! Some batsrad thinks wemon shouldn't hace hre onw porg!
Right!! Cancel motoring progs, education progs, computing prgs etc etc. The OP should gte a lefi!

(That should stop me being barred!! (again))
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Old 19-08-2009, 23:33
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I think this programme started back in the 1940's as a token to women being at home while hubby is bringing home the money, while Mrs Jones makes a happy home for Mr Jones & the children while who ever it is at the other end of the radio is having a nice chat about womens issues, it may have changed a bit but I bet not much, the Queen was very miffed at it being moved to mornings instead of it's regular time in the afternoons, oh shame when I heard that. That just about sums it all up doesn't it
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Old 20-08-2009, 07:49
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Maybe someone who has access to the Rajars could confirm this, but a quick glance at Google suggests that Woman's Hour gets over three million listeners.
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Old 20-08-2009, 09:27
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After sixty years is there any defence for the BBC giving one hour dedicated to women every morning?

This is absolute and blatant sexism. There is no mens hours with the likes of Clarkson etc.

Do I have the right to complain under the sex discrimination act?
Womans Hours is a BBC institution what a stupid comment. I'm sick to death of all this bloody political correctness in this mandy pandy state they call the UK.

I think its a bit unfair discussing Womans Hour on here anyway as I doubt those dedicated ladies listening use DS or any other radio forum for that matter.

Lets just leave it alone and let it be eh. Oh & by the way I am male.
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Old 20-08-2009, 11:47
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Is it just me or is the name "Women's Hour" extremely condenscending?
In the light of current, right-on thinking I understand that they are changing it to The Morning Cervix.
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Old 20-08-2009, 12:15
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a quick glance at Google suggests that Woman's Hour gets over three million listeners.
The BBC are always the first to point out that it's not about the audience figures with them. They got rid of Jimmy Young after he gained a considerable number of listeners, and got rid of Johnnie Walker from drivetime not long after he gained a million extra listeners, both because they felt it was simply time to move on.

But if audience figures do matter to you, Radio 2 have over twice as many listeners at the same time so clearly Woman's Hour isn't performing as well as a Radio 4 show should do at that hour.

It only still exists because it's on Radio 4. If the same programme had been on Radio 2 with Gloria Hunniford or it were a TV show on BBC2, it would have been scrapped years ago.

I think its a bit unfair discussing Womans Hour on here anyway as I doubt those dedicated ladies listening use DS or any other radio forum for that matter.
Well that is just as condescending as the show itself. You make its audience sound like a bunch of dotty old post-menopausal technophobes who only Watch three TV channels. Is that really who this show is aiming at?

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