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Ratings Thread (Part 4)
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iaindb
30-09-2009
Originally Posted by square_eyes:
“Peter Fincham on how following the Primeval deal, broadcasters sharing the cost of drama could be the way forward.

He also says how the BBC are more concerned about ratings than ITV with ITV's main focus being on return on investment.

http://www.broadcastnow.co.uk/news/c...006271.article”

Look at the last line in this article.

He also reiterated ITV’s decision not to move The X Factor.


But they did move it - from 7pm to 8pm.

Although an 8pm start on 10th October means much less of a clash than a 7pm start would.
GeorgeS
30-09-2009
Originally Posted by mlt11:
“Re the above debate about programme profitability:

It's important to remember that ITV (and other channels) have a whole host of costs in addition to programming, eg:

- Advertising sales dept
- Transmission costs
- Commissioners, schedulers etc
- Finance dept
- HR dept
- Contracts, legal dept
- General management
- Property costs
- General overheads - eg utilities etc

So if all programming just broke even, the company would overall make a massive loss. Thus programming actually needs to make substantial profits before the company as a whole moves into even a very small overall profit.”

On the other hand, Millionaire is repeated several times (weekend afternoons and on ITV2) so the £180k cost is spread across several viewings. Many ITV shows fail to break before adding in overheads so Millionaire is one of the better performing shows from a return perspective.
GeorgeS
30-09-2009
Originally Posted by iaindb:
“Look at the last line in this article.

He also reiterated ITV’s decision not to move The X Factor.


But they did move it - from 7pm to 8pm.

Although an 8pm start on 10th October means much less of a clash than a 7pm start would.”

You are obsessed with the X Factor start times. Back in August XF started its run at 8pm did it not?
D.M.N.
30-09-2009
Originally Posted by GeorgeS:
“You are obsessed with the X Factor start times. Back in August XF started its run at 8pm did it not?”

Nope, it was on from 19:00 to 20:15.
C14E
30-09-2009
Originally Posted by iaindb:
“Look at the last line in this article.

He also reiterated ITV’s decision not to move The X Factor.


But they did move it - from 7pm to 8pm.

Although an 8pm start on 10th October means much less of a clash than a 7pm start would.”

They moved nearly every week last year and probably will for most of the rest of this year. There has never been a perfectly fixed slot. When Strictly started last year, X Factor started airing slightly later than it had been so as to avoid a clash and its start times were dictated by the time that Strictly ended. Some weeks around 7pm, others nearer 8pm. Similarly, last year, Strictly would start some weeks at 5.50pm while in others it would be almost an hour later.
Brekkie
30-09-2009
Originally Posted by square_eyes:
“Peter Fincham on how following the Primeval deal, broadcasters sharing the cost of drama could be the way forward.

He also says how the BBC are more concerned about ratings than ITV with ITV's main focus being on return on investment.

http://www.broadcastnow.co.uk/news/c...006271.article”

I think that's been quite noticeable with many recent drama commissions. Of course the economy and general decline in viewers have played a part, but ITV seemed to have stopped chasing the big audiences for drama with carbon copies of various hits and do seem to have accepted that apart from the odd exception, they are generally dealing with audiences of 4m or so nowadays, rather than double that - and in recommissioning shows like Marple too it shows it's not all about the 16-34s too.

Indeed, in drama at least ITV seem to now be focusing on the viewers they are getting, rather than the viewers they wish they were getting.


It'll be interesting to see how the Primeval deal works out - really I think the BBC's involvement is more about sales overseas than UKTV, but you'd think if Watch felt like they could make a profit out of it, ITV would be thinking they could make it work by premiering it first on ITV2 or something before ITV1.
rzt
30-09-2009
New sponsorship page up on ITV Media website for 'From Pop Star to Opera Star'. Description is:

Quote:
“Can some of Britain’s best loved pop stars make the big transition form Pop to Opera?

The past few years have seen Opera be at the forefront of popular culture, thanks to the likes of Paul Potts, Rhydian and Il Divo. These acts have gone on to enjoy enormous success and found themselves at the top of album charts whilst earning the respect and admiration of the ITV1 audience.

However, can eight pampered pop stars whose current day jobs involve back flipping and occasional lip-syncing transform themselves into fully fledged operatic Divas in just one week with one of them headlining at the most prestigious opera event of the year.

Trained by two of the biggest names from the operatic world, our chart toppers will face a daunting task as their vocal ability is pushed to the absolute limit in an attempt to transform them into tremendous tenors and stunning sopranos. Set in an opulent studio backdrop, From Pop Star to Opera Star looks set to be a dramatic, emotional rollercoaster, showcasing the best of British talent and providing us with breath taking performances.”

It's airing in Q1 2010. 3 x 90 minute episodes and 3 x 60 minute episodes.

And a few more ITV multichannel ratings from yesterday:

ITV2 - Arthur’s Day 2009: 63,000 (0.5%)
ITV3 - Agatha Christie’s Poirot: 523,000 (2.5%), Profiling Ian Rankin: 207,000 (1.0%)
ITV4 - Auf Wiedersehen, Pet: 201,000 (1.0%) and 251,000 (1.7%)
C14E
30-09-2009
Oh, it sounds awful. It's down there with Baby Ballroom and The One and Only among painful ideas for talent shows in recent years. Maybe not quite as bad as Celebrity Wrestling, though.

It's being made by the TV arm of Universal Music Group (their answer to Syco at Sony) so I'd expect more Katherine Jenkins than Paul Potts. At least there might be something nice to look at.

It's not something I want to see, but if ITV really need a Saturday night talent show for the start of next year, just bring back Stars In Their Eyes.
RobbieSykes123
30-09-2009
Originally Posted by rzt:
“Yesterday's This Morning averaged 1m (22%). Source: ITV Insider

Also ITV has confirmed their schedules for Saturday 10th - Friday 16th October. Saturday:

19:30- Harry Hill's TV Burp
20:00- The X Factor ”

Going to be a struggle for Harry this autumn then without being the meat in a TXF sandwich.

No 8m audiences for Harry this run then.

Originally Posted by square_eyes:
“I notice Susan Boyle is set to make a November appearance on X Factor”

Who is she?
Score
30-09-2009
Originally Posted by RobbieSykes123:
“Going to be a struggle for Harry this autumn then without being the meat in a TXF sandwich.

No 8m audiences for Harry this run then.”

He was only in an X Factor sandwich once last year. All other episodes aired in the same slot as it has this year, and they got 6-7m.
rzt
30-09-2009
Originally Posted by RobbieSykes123:
“Going to be a struggle for Harry this autumn then without being the meat in a TXF sandwich.

No 8m audiences for Harry this run then.”

Going to struggle?!? Harry Hill only had one X Factor sandwich slot last year. All the others starting before X Factor, and I think all of them got over 5m with many getting over 6m.
iaindb
30-09-2009
Originally Posted by C14E:
“Oh, it sounds awful. It's down there with Baby Ballroom and The One and Only among painful ideas for talent shows in recent years. Maybe not quite as bad as Celebrity Wrestling, though.

It's being made by the TV arm of Universal Music Group (their answer to Syco at Sony) so I'd expect more Katherine Jenkins than Paul Potts. At least there might be something nice to look at.

It's not something I want to see, but if ITV really need a Saturday night talent show for the start of next year, just bring back Stars In Their Eyes.”

This sounds like it something to be be grouped in with Just The Two Of Us, Soapstar Superstar and Reborn In The USA. None of them were massive hits but JTTOU and Soapstart both made it to series 2.
RobbieSykes123
30-09-2009
Originally Posted by rzt:
“Official ratings:

X Factor - 10.57m
Strictly Come Dancing - 8.43m

Difference of 2.14m.

Edit: You've changed your post !”

Originally Posted by GeorgeS:
“Yeah I was comparing Sunday to Friday - sorry.

Still it must be humiliating for the mighty BBC which started the war to admit defeat. ”

In 2008, SCD started with official ratings of 8.48m (Sat 6.10pm) and 8.61m (Sun 8pm).

In 2009, SCD started with official ratings of 8.92m (Fri) and 8.43m (Sat).

No sleepless nights for BBC execs there then.

However, by running SCD later, they kept TXF's 'post-BGT bounce' ratings in check - 10.57m in 2009 against a similar 10.10m on SCD-debut Saturday in 2008, but well down on the 12.84m TXF 2009 was getting 3 weeks ago.

If the BBC were indeed fighting a "war", George, maybe you should ask what the objectives actually were before assessing their success...
Agent F
30-09-2009
Originally Posted by C14E:
“It's not something I want to see, but if ITV really need a Saturday night talent show for the start of next year, just bring back Stars In Their Eyes.”

They should. It's a solid format that would do well on Saturday nights. Last I heard it was 'rested' and due a revamp but we never heard anything after that. I don't think it was ever officially 'cancelled'. Maybe even get Matthew Kelly back on board - what's he doing these days?
iaindb
30-09-2009
Originally Posted by rzt:
“Going to struggle?!? Harry Hill only had one X Factor sandwich slot last year. All the others starting before X Factor, and I think all of them got over 5m with many getting over 6m.”

A quick check of the official ratings reveals 7 of the 10 TV Burp programmes on in Autumn 2008 had more than 6m viewers and many of these were on against Strictly. One episode fell below 5m (4.91m) but that was on against the Strictly final so he had a good excuse. I have every confidence this brilliant comedy will get the ratings it deserves. (Actually, no I don't. If it truly had the ratings it deserved, it would be matching the figures for last year's Wallace & Grommit.)
RobbieSykes123
30-09-2009
Originally Posted by iaindb:
“A quick check of the official ratings reveals 7 of the 10 TV Burp programmes on in Autumn 2008 had more than 6m viewers and many of these were on against Strictly. One episode fell below 5m (4.91m) but that was on against the Strictly final so he had a good excuse. I have every confidence this brilliant comedy will get the ratings it deserves.”

Ah, ok then. I thought it generally aired after TXF part 1.

I obviously got confused by ITV constantly moving TXF around the schedules...

As for the ratings it deserves, I hope the rest has done it some good. It was pretty tired by the end of the last run. The earlier shows also suffered from fluffing TXF rather than taking the piss out of television shows - the whole raison d'etre of TV Burp when all's said and done.
Cent
30-09-2009
NCIS:LA's UK broadcaster to be revealed at midnight.
rzt
30-09-2009
Originally Posted by Cent:
“NCIS:LA's UK broadcaster to be revealed at midnight.”

Interesting, I'd assumed Five had already got the rights! It would be the obvious channel due to the NCIS link.
Agent F
30-09-2009
Originally Posted by iaindb:
“A quick check of the official ratings reveals 7 of the 10 TV Burp programmes on in Autumn 2008 had more than 6m viewers and many of these were on against Strictly. One episode fell below 5m (4.91m) but that was on against the Strictly final so he had a good excuse. I have every confidence this brilliant comedy will get the ratings it deserves. (Actually, no I don't. If it truly had the ratings it deserved, it would be matching the figures for last year's Wallace & Grommit.)”

It definitely holds its own against Strictly so it should do comfortably well again this year.
Cent
30-09-2009
Originally Posted by rzt:
“Interesting, I'd assumed Five had already got the rights! It would be the obvious channel due to the NCIS link.”

It may well be, to be honest I have no idea who it is yet.
Fudd
30-09-2009
Originally Posted by iaindb:
“Look at the last line in this article.

He also reiterated ITV’s decision not to move The X Factor.


But they did move it - from 7pm to 8pm.

Although an 8pm start on 10th October means much less of a clash than a 7pm start would.”

Exactly. In fairness, I think that's why ITV did move it - they expected Strictly to be over by 8 so there was so clash. They gave the BBC the option to avoid a clash, and the BBC didn't take it.

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Poor ratings for ITV1 last night. The Fixer won't get renewed again, which is a shame. What's the point of ITV moving away from crime drama when no one is going to be bothered to watch it? Ironically crime did ok for BBC1 and Five, with Crimewatch and CSI. Jamie held up well for Channel 4 too. Holby City as reliant as ever.
Jonwo
30-09-2009
Originally Posted by rzt:
“Interesting, I'd assumed Five had already got the rights! It would be the obvious channel due to the NCIS link.”

It's Five as they confirmed it in an e-mail I sent them ages ago but I'm guessing there was an embargo preventing them on confirming publicly similar to Glee on E4.
Cent
01-10-2009
It's Sky1. Interesting...
craig-maclellan
01-10-2009
Surprising news here:

http://www.digitalspy.co.uk/tv/a1799...s-spinoff.html

Maybe Five have spent all their budget or simply didn't have the space for it in their schedule.
sn_22
01-10-2009
Originally Posted by craig-maclellan:
“Surprising news here:

http://www.digitalspy.co.uk/tv/a1799...s-spinoff.html

Maybe Five have spent all their budget or simply didn't have the space for it in their schedule.”

Very strange. Especially considering Five picked up FlashForward, which would have been really obvious for Sky 1. How long does Five's deal on the original NCIS run? You would think Sky would want the set.
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