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Ratings Thread (Part 4)
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D.M.N.
21-10-2009
Originally Posted by iaindb:
“The BBC BSI strikes again. Small Island appears to have been superseded in the Sunday 9pm slot by Garrow's Law.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/pressoffice/pro...tml#sun_garrow

Why? Does the BSI just get easily bored?”

I don't understand why what order they go in actually matters, no matter what both will probably get under 5m against either Doc Martin or I'm a Celebrity...
Agent F
21-10-2009
Originally Posted by iaindb:
“Looks as if the DOI new Friday night show will be going out at 8pm in Tonight's slot opposite Eastenders as I thought. That'll be an interesting clash for this thread.

This report makes it sound as if Tonight is going to get a brand new slot, but I would have thought it would continue to go out on Monday at 8pm. Anyone got any other thoughts on where it might go?”

I can't see it moving from the Monday slot.
James J
21-10-2009
Perhaps Tonight is moving to an hourly format some time in the week?

I wonder if 2010 will bring about more primetime schedule changes on ITV1. What's all this about a Friday DOI?
rzt
21-10-2009
Originally Posted by iaindb:
“This report makes it sound as if Tonight is going to get a brand new slot, but I would have thought it would continue to go out on Monday at 8pm. Anyone got any other thoughts on where it might go?”

I think Score's idea of Tuesday 8-9pm sounds good. The article makes it sound as if it'll be a 1 hour episode per week in a new slot.

If it remains as two 30 min episodes, I'd keep the Monday episode but move the Friday one to Tuesday 7.30pm where they're having a lot of problems at the moment.
Agent F
21-10-2009
Broadcast seems to say that the episodes will remain at 30 minutes in length.

Quote:
“Currently, more than 70 editions of Tonight are produced a year, all made by ITVS. In 2010, there will be at least 50 episodes of Tonight, but only 37 will be made in-house. ITN will make 10 programmes, while around three of the 30-minute programmes will be opened up to the indie sector and ITV’s regional news bureaus.”

ITV are cutting the number they're making i.e. from next year it will only be going out once a week rather than twice. So I can't really see it moving from its current Monday slot.
Wryip
21-10-2009
Originally Posted by Score:
“I can see Life Stories managing 5m that night. To boost it further, I think it'd be a good idea to have 'Dannii vs Sharon - the truth' (or something like that) ads running throughout X Factor, which would probably give the ratings a nice little boost.

EDIT: BBC1's schedule has shifted 25 minutes earlier in the final update, so the new schedule is:

18:05 Merlin
18:50 Strictly Come Dancing
20:45 Lottery
20:55 Casualty
”

I think the BBC agree with you that Dannii's life story will do well hence why they've moved the schedue forward so that X Factor viewers don't automatically stay with Piers andnow come across for the news rather than half way through Casualty as was originally planned.

Originally Posted by rzt:
“Also Spooks is back on Wednesday 4th November at 9pm for a new 8 part run.”

So it will finish on the 23rd December, probably one of the reasons it is on Wednesday rather than Thursday which would have seen it finish on XMas eve. Wednesday nights have suddenly gone from having nothing on worth watching to having Spooks and Andrew Marr's making of modern Britain both on. Also interesting is that it looks like the Restaurant is only going to be on for 6 episodes this year once a week rather than 15 episodes with 2 episodes a week.


Also its nice to see SKY1 investing peoples subscriptions in quality programming http://www.digitalspy.co.uk/tv/a1829...d-britain.html
gottago
21-10-2009
Originally Posted by Wryip:
“I think the BBC agree with you that Dannii's life story will do well hence why they've moved the schedue forward so that X Factor viewers don't automatically stay with Piers andnow come across for the news rather than half way through Casualty as was originally planned.



So it will finish on the 23rd December, probably one of the reasons it is on Wednesday rather than Thursday which would have seen it finish on XMas eve. Wednesday nights have suddenly gone from having nothing on worth watching to having Spooks and Andrew Marr's making of modern Britain both on. Also interesting is that it looks like the Restaurant is only going to be on for 6 episodes this year once a week rather than 15 episodes with 2 episodes a week.


Also its nice to see SKY1 investing peoples subscriptions in quality programming http://www.digitalspy.co.uk/tv/a1829...d-britain.html”

Every digital channel seems to air this exact same programme in some format at some point in their lifetime.
Cent
21-10-2009
Stuart Murphy is a bit annoying. He seems to thrive on commissioning crap and scheduling it in the most stupid and confusing way possible.

He was everything that was wrong with BBC3 and I have no idea why Sky1 ever gave him a job.

Quote:
“The first instalment is scheduled to air Monday, November 2 at 9pm on Sky1. Episode two will air straight after at 9.30pm, with the final part arriving the following week.”

I mean, what kind of wacko scheduling is that? Why even commission a 3 episode documentary series on this? It's just bizarre.
Wryip
21-10-2009
Originally Posted by Cent:
“Stuart Murphy is a bit annoying. He seems to thrive on commissioning crap and scheduling it in the most stupid and confusing way possible.

He was everything that was wrong with BBC3 and I have no idea why Sky1 ever gave him a job.



I mean, what kind of wacko scheduling is that? Why even commission a 3 episode documentary series on this? It's just bizarre.”

The only time I've watched SKY1 this year is for Martina Cole's The Take, and I saw Skellig the other week on SKY3. My Dad subscribes to SKY for the Sport but there are no programmes that SKY have that I see as being worth the subscription fee and find Freeview (or more precisely 1-5 + BBC4 and ITV2) are enough.

Some ofStuart Murphys commissioning is appalling, Just Dance is going to get squashed by SYTYCD and apart from popular American programming which any other station would buy if SKY wasn't around, the channel adds no value to British Television.
Jonwo
21-10-2009
Some of the Sky1 commissioning are really odd, first the Michael Jackson Seance and now this documentary on Naked people which has been done numerous times. Thank goodness that they have the US shows and a very good upcoming slate of homegrown drama.

Wednesdays are going to become good again with Spooks on BBC One, Andrew Marr on BBC Two and I think Paul Merton in Europe on Five will air in November on Wednesdays as well.
D.M.N.
21-10-2009
Originally Posted by Wryip:
“I think the BBC agree with you that Dannii's life story will do well hence why they've moved the schedue forward so that X Factor viewers don't automatically stay with Piers andnow come across for the news rather than half way through Casualty as was originally planned.”

Scrap that, they've scheduled something called The Impression Show with Culshaw and Stephenson from 21:45 to 22:15. Also worth noting that Thursday 5th November @ 21:00 on BBC One sees the New Tricks 'repeat' series continuing. Not sure if they are going to have New Tricks repeat's on Thursdays all the way until Xmas.
rzt
21-10-2009
Ant and Dec's new show to be aired in Q1 next year:

Ant and Dec's “Push the Button” [Working Title]
Quote:
“The fantastic duo return to host a brand new show on ITV1. This is no ordinary game show expect plenty of twists and surprises. Each show features two families of five - neither will know they are on the show until either Ant or Dec arrives on their doorstep.

On the night of the show both families begin with £100k price fund each. The contestants play five big, fun games each designed to reduce their grand total. Each game is played against the clock. Seconds cost cash as the time ticks away. The first family to complete the challenge must aim to conserve their winnings by 'pushing the button' to stop the clock. At the end of the show whichever family has the highest total left remains – they then go on to play the jackpot game. The pressure will be on to nominate the strongest family members to complete the task …who can keep their nerve under pressure?

Interspersed throughout the show will be comedy sketches, musical performances and celebrity appearances.”

There are 6 x 75 minute episodes.

Also The Bill has at least 34 episodes next year, which should take them up to about August/September. Difficult to see ITV ordering more episodes if ratings stay at the current level.
Cent
21-10-2009
Sounds good to me. Sounds like they took their time to make sure they had a really good format.
Agent F
21-10-2009
Originally Posted by Cent:
“Stuart Murphy is a bit annoying. He seems to thrive on commissioning crap and scheduling it in the most stupid and confusing way possible.

He was everything that was wrong with BBC3 and I have no idea why Sky1 ever gave him a job.



I mean, what kind of wacko scheduling is that? Why even commission a 3 episode documentary series on this? It's just bizarre.”

Most of his commissions seem a bit ITV Lite. Something you'd expect them to order on the cheap for a Tuesday night. Add to that the ridiculous daytime commission 'Angela and Friends' - surely he doesn't expect that to do well?

He should be playing to Sky 1's strengths and not turning it into something it's not.
square_eyes
21-10-2009
18:05 Merlin
18:50 Strictly Come Dancing
20:45 Lottery
20:55 Casualty

The retreat has begun, as Brucie waves the white flag and reverses his tank off the lawn.

XF will be starting just as the SCD filler begins, but it gives them a longer period of time in which to reach it's peak. I take it we won't be seeing Who Dares Wins this side of Christmas ?

Interesting about the new Ant & Dec show. Presumably this is the Sunday show they were reportedly working on ? It says it will go out Q1, but I can't see it starting until after DoI.

ITV do seem to be going heavy on light entertainment for 2010. Both Mr & Mrs and Take Me Out start recording in November (Take Me Out in Manchester).

If there is to be a DoI Friday show, it seems unlikely that they will move the show to a Saturday / Sunday results split.
Brekkie
21-10-2009
Originally Posted by gottago:
“http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/2009...night-itv-news

Article about how the Tonight show is facing cuts and may be brought closer to ITN. It says that each episode will be made for less than £30,000. Weren't people on here saying earlier that Millionaire costs about £200,000 an episode or something? Given the fact that Tonight gets 3.5 million on a Friday (or it did last time I saw the figures) ITV will be making a fair bit of cash on what is normally a genre considered to be loss-making.”

Although as it contains no ads itself, it doesn't really bring in it's own ad revenue.

Originally Posted by rzt:
“
ITV1
19:00- Emmerdale: 6.82m (33.3%)
20:00- Who Wants To Be A Millionaire?: 3.28m (14.2%)
21:00- Seven Days On The Breadline: 3.72m (16.4%)

Millionaire continues to underperform at 8pm in my opinion.”

ITV might be better off putting it at 7.30pm straight after Emmerdale, grabbing the audience who don't watch EastEnders and hopefully keeping them against the first half of Holby.

Originally Posted by iaindb:
“Looks as if the DOI new Friday night show will be going out at 8pm in Tonight's slot opposite Eastenders as I thought. That'll be an interesting clash for this thread.

This report makes it sound as if Tonight is going to get a brand new slot, but I would have thought it would continue to go out on Monday at 8pm. Anyone got any other thoughts on where it might go?”

Tuesday at 7.30pm could be a possibility, but keeping it Monday at 8pm makes sense.

Originally Posted by rzt:
“Ant and Dec's new show to be aired in Q1 next year:

Ant and Dec's “Push the Button” [Working Title]
Quote:
“The fantastic duo return to host a brand new show on ITV1. This is no ordinary game show expect plenty of twists and surprises. Each show features two families of five - neither will know they are on the show until either Ant or Dec arrives on their doorstep.

On the night of the show both families begin with £100k price fund each. The contestants play five big, fun games each designed to reduce their grand total. Each game is played against the clock. Seconds cost cash as the time ticks away. The first family to complete the challenge must aim to conserve their winnings by 'pushing the button' to stop the clock. At the end of the show whichever family has the highest total left remains – they then go on to play the jackpot game. The pressure will be on to nominate the strongest family members to complete the task …who can keep their nerve under pressure?

Interspersed throughout the show will be comedy sketches, musical performances and celebrity appearances.”

There are 6 x 75 minute episodes.”

Not particularly original, but sounded OK - up until that last bit. So basically it's going to be Takeaway, but with the ad stuff scrapped and replaced with this new game instead.

Quote:
“Also The Bill has at least 34 episodes next year, which should take them up to about August/September. Difficult to see ITV ordering more episodes if ratings stay at the current level.”

Or ITV could also choose to take it off air and bring in back in blocks of episodes. I could see it going off air in May in time for Britain's Got Talent and the World Cup, with the remaining three months or so worth of episodes held back until the autumn.

Personally I'd have moved it to Friday by now, but looks like Paul O'Grady is set for that slot.
iaindb
21-10-2009
Originally Posted by square_eyes:
“18:05 Merlin
18:50 Strictly Come Dancing
20:45 Lottery
20:55 Casualty

The retreat has begun, as Brucie waves the white flag and reverses his tank off the lawn.

XF will be starting just as the SCD filler begins, but it gives them a longer period of time in which to reach it's peak. I take it we won't be seeing Who Dares Wins this side of Christmas ?

Interesting about the new Ant & Dec show. Presumably this is the Sunday show they were reportedly working on ? It says it will go out Q1, but I can't see it starting until after DoI.

ITV do seem to be going heavy on light entertainment for 2010. Both Mr & Mrs and Take Me Out start recording in November (Take Me Out in Manchester).
”

No, it hasn't. That's only 10 minutes earlier than this Saturday and allows them to fit in The Impression Show before MOTD which, as has been pointed out time and time time again(), has to start no later than 10.30. (And they have to put comedy out on a Saturday night cos they've go nowhere else to bloody well put it)

ITV has always been heavy on the light entertainment. They used to have quite a lot on Sunday night before they went drama crazy with the soaps and Heartbeat (Catchphrase, Child's Play, Surprise Surprise, Live From Her Majesty's) so the current line-up of Family Fortunes and X Factor harks back to a bygone era. (X Factor probably making the same sort of impact now as Sunday Night At The London Palladium made in the 50s and 60s - although X Factor's ratings are shit in comparison.) As for Saturday nights... For as long as there has been television, owning a brain on a Saturday whilst watching ITV, or even BBC1, has been positively dangerous.

Ant & Dec's new show will probably go out on Saturdays replacing Pop Star To Opera Star from Mid-February - like last year when Takeaway replaced Demons and was then replaced by Primeval. That's why they need so much light entertainment - now they've given up on pre-watershed drama (or they had done until the Primeval producers made them an offer they couldn't refuse) Saturday nights will be nothing but light entertainment.

Originally Posted by D.M.N.:
“Scrap that, they've scheduled something called The Impression Show with Culshaw and Stephenson from 21:45 to 22:15. Also worth noting that Thursday 5th November @ 21:00 on BBC One sees the New Tricks 'repeat' series continuing. Not sure if they are going to have New Tricks repeat's on Thursdays all the way until Xmas.”

Normally when NT repeats replace a new series they only run for 3 or 4 weeks and then get replaced with something new. Clearly BBC1 have deicded that as the repeats are easily beating The Bill they might as well show the whole of last year's series in one go (very nearly. There was a 2 week break for Secret Life Of Twins and Criminal Justice). the repeats would finish on Nov 12th. They will probably be replaced by Paradox which is only 5 parts. That would finish on 17th December, just in time for Christmas.
Chris1964
21-10-2009
Originally Posted by iaindb:
“No, it hasn't. That's only 10 minutes earlier than this Saturday and allows them to fit in The Impression Show before MOTD which, as has been pointed out time and time time again(), has to start no later than 10.30. (And they have to put comedy out on a Saturday night cos they've go nowhere else to bloody well put it)

ITV has always been heavy on the light entertainment. They used to have quite a lot on Sunday night before they went drama crazy with the soaps and Heartbeat (Catchphrase, Child's Play, Surprise Surprise, Live From Her Majesty's) so the current line-up of Family Fortunes and X Factor harks back to a bygone era. (X Factor probably making the same sort of impact now as Sunday Night At The London Palladium made in the 50s and 60s - although X Factor's ratings are shit in comparison.) As for Saturday nights... For as long as there has been television, owning a brain on a Saturday whilst watching ITV, or even BBC1, has been positively dangerous.

Ant & Dec's new show will probably go out on Saturdays replacing Pop Star To Opera Star from Mid-February - like last year when Takeaway replaced Demons and was then replaced by Primeval. That's why they need so much light entertainment - now they've given up on pre-watershed drama (or they had done until the Primeval producers made them an offer they couldn't refuse) Saturday nights will be nothing but light entertainment.



Normally when NT repeats replace a new series they only run for 3 or 4 weeks and then get replaced with something new. Clearly BBC1 have deicded that as the repeats are easily beating The Bill they might as well show the whole of last year's series in one go (very nearly. There was a 2 week break for Secret Life Of Twins and Criminal Justice). the repeats would finish on Nov 12th. They will probably be replaced by Paradox which is only 5 parts. That would finish on 17th December, just in time for Christmas.”

Right-and who was it who presented Sunday Night at the London Palladium? Yes it was good old Brucie. A different world entirely and old BF was making even bigger waves than now. Astonishing really.
Steve Williams
21-10-2009
Originally Posted by Brekkie:
“Not particularly original, but sounded OK - up until that last bit. So basically it's going to be Takeaway, but with the ad stuff scrapped and replaced with this new game instead.”

Well, that's OK, because the ad stuff's always been the worst part of Takeaway, the game is really boring, the contestants can fluke their way to winning and we don't know or care who they are anyway. The rest of Takeaway's still alright.
Brekkie
21-10-2009
Originally Posted by D.M.N.:
“Scrap that, they've scheduled something called The Impression Show with Culshaw and Stephenson from 21:45 to 22:15.”

Possibly needs to be post-watershed, but seems stupid not to schedule it immediately after Strictly to give it a fighting chance.
Chris1964
21-10-2009
Originally Posted by rzt:
“Tuesday 20th October Overnights
BBC One
13:45- Doctors: 1.74m (23%)
19:30- EastEnders: 8.77m (40.4%)
20:00- Holby City: 5.42m (23.2%)
21:00- Around The World In 80 Days: 3.6m (15.9%)
22:35- My Supermodel Baby: 1.7m (13.5%)
23:20- Film 2009 with Jonathan Ross: 800,000 (9%)

BBC Two
20:00- MasterChef: The Professionals: 2.94m (12.5%)
21:00- Horizon: 1.37m (6%)
23:20- Robbie Williams: Electric Proms: 530,000 (7.4%)
* peak share: 9.2% at midnight


ITV1
19:00- Emmerdale: 6.82m (33.3%)
20:00- Who Wants To Be A Millionaire?: 3.28m (14.2%)
21:00- Seven Days On The Breadline: 3.72m (16.4%)

Channel 4
18:30- Hollyoaks: 1.58m (8.1%)
20:00- How To Look Good Naked: 1.69m (7.3%)
21:00- The Force: 1.34m (5.9%) , +1: 162,000 (1%)
22:00- Daredevils: 760,000 (4.7%)

Five
17:30- Neighbours: 1.59m (10.5%)
18:00- Home and Away: 1.14m (6.4%)
20:00- Nature Shock: 1.21m (5.2%)
21:00- CSI: Miami: 2.62m (11.6%)

BBC Three
21:00- Don't Tell the Bride: 728,000
22:00- EastEnders: 959k (5.5%)

BBC Four
21:00- The Real Cabaret: 282,000

E4
19:00- Hollyoaks: 414k (2.2%)
21:00- Ugly Betty: 399,000

Fiver
18:30- Home and Away: 549k (3%)
19:00- Neighbours: 184k (1%)

More4
22:00- True Stories: 117,000

Sci Fi
22:00- Dollhouse: 115,000 (0.7%)
23:00- Dollhouse: 89,700 (1.09%)

Sky1
20:00- Stargate Universe: 635k (2.9%)

Primetime Shares
BBC One: 22.6%
ITV1: 16.6%
BBC Two: 7.6%
Five: 7.2%
Channel 4: 5.5% (+1: 0.8%)
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EastEnders did well last night with its highest Tuesday rating in months. I'm a bit surprised to see 7 Days on the Breadline top the 9pm hour with 3.7m. I suppose it's better than what a lot of recent Tuesday 9pm ITV shows have been getting. Millionaire continues to underperform at 8pm in my opinion.”

Given that ITV put Robbie Williams smack bang into the middle of X Factor, it does seem strange that the BBC chose to put the guys first comeback concert in an almost death slot on BBC2 at 11.20. I still maintain the BBC are latterly naive when it comes to entertainment-or at least promoting something that has flavour of the month appeal.
RobbieSykes123
21-10-2009
Originally Posted by iaindb:
“Ratings for Around The World were about what I expected taking into account its week 1 audience and the not-very-enthuiastic reaction.”

Surprised at Around the World's ratings - whilst ep 1 wasn't exactly riveting (despite having Skinner and Mack on it), I thought last night's was entertaining - Hewer and Khan made a good pairing and it had a Palinesque feel to it with the travelling hiccups (and a bit of cheating which pretty damned near fatally holed the whole enterprise). The 4.2m last week was a bit disappointing but 3.6m is poor - and it's not as if it was heavily beaten by anything else.

Quote:
“Breadline did a bit better than I expected. remains to be seen whether it holds that audience for the next 2 weeks.”

Not quite as well as the recent BBC1 show it blatantly ripped off did though...

Quote:
“And yes, ITV1 could have had a whole week of 9pm victories but for The Bill, but maybe it'll surprise (shock?) us.”

Well, the Tuesday 9pm outcome won't officially be known until two weeks today when the figures are released by BARB - with a margin of 0.12m in the overnights, I wouldn't bet against ATW winning the slot.

Originally Posted by Score:
“EDIT: BBC1's schedule has shifted 25 minutes earlier in the final update, so the new schedule is:

18:05 Merlin
18:50 Strictly Come Dancing
20:45 Lottery
20:55 Casualty

Meaning that the Strictly/X Factor clash is now down to just 45 minutes, with X Factor having an hour afterwards against the lottery and Casualty, so it could be on for its biggest Saturday rating of the series. The clashes do seem to be getting shorter, and on 7th November, BBC1 have The Royal British Legion Festival of Remembrance, so the clash will be minimal that night, boosting ratings for The X Factor.”

Did TXF get a noticeable ratings boost last year from the Festival of Remembrance? Can BGT-TXF really win any new viewers now, surely anyone who has held out by now will continue to do so? And its ratings declined week on week for both shows anyway.

BBC1 might hold up better against TXF with FoR than Casualty, in the same way that Antiques Roadshow or Countryfile get bigger numbers on Sunday despite TXF's larger audience.

Originally Posted by rzt:
“Also The Bill has at least 34 episodes next year, which should take them up to about August/September”

Wouldn't bank on it. I don't expect it still to be on air next September.

Originally Posted by square_eyes:
“18:05 Merlin
18:50 Strictly Come Dancing
20:45 Lottery
20:55 Casualty

The retreat has begun, as Brucie waves the white flag and reverses his tank off the lawn. ”

10 minutes sooner...

Finally, a quiz question - which one of these 3 shows is the odd one out, and why:

1 - Friday Night with Jonathan Ross
2 - Piers Morgan's Life Stories
3 - The Graham Norton Show
RobbieSykes123
21-10-2009
Originally Posted by Chris1964:
“ITV put Robbie Williams smack bang into the middle of X Factor...”

He did look like he was on something didn't he...?
Chris1964
21-10-2009
Originally Posted by RobbieSykes123:
“He did look like he was on something didn't he...? ”

duplicate post
Chris1964
21-10-2009
Originally Posted by RobbieSykes123:
“He did look like he was on something didn't he...? ”

Even to an untrained eye like mine.
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