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Old 24-08-2009, 19:29
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If we are to compare this year's top 10 with last years, removing duplicates (BGT):

Code:
.................2008 vs 2009
Soaps............2 vs 2
Entertainment....3 vs 5
Drama............3 vs 3
Sport............2 vs 0
Not many differences, apart from the fact that there are no sporting events in the top 10, and I can't see any entering the top 10 before the year is out.
Removing duplicates puts Kilimanjaro: The Big Nose Climb in the top ten and that was documentary (or factual, if anyone's going to be snooty about it), not entertainment.
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Old 24-08-2009, 19:39
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Removing duplicates puts Kilimanjaro: The Big Nose Climb in the top ten and that was documentary (or factual, if anyone's going to be snooty about it), not entertainment.
I'd put the actual climb as "entertainment" even if there is a serious side to it.
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Old 24-08-2009, 19:44
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I'd put the actual climb as "entertainment" even if there is a serious side to it.
Well, in that case, we'll just have to agree to disagree.

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Old 24-08-2009, 19:56
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I think whatever peoples perceptions of what dominates the TV schedules, the Top 20 list is a very healthy mix of programming, with no particular genre over dominating the list. And personally I think it's great soaps are no longer way out above the rest when it comes to the ratings, with series such as The Apprentice and X Factor able to beat them - and by some margin - week in, week out.
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Old 24-08-2009, 21:32
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I think whatever peoples perceptions of what dominates the TV schedules, the Top 20 list is a very healthy mix of programming, with no particular genre over dominating the list. And personally I think it's great soaps are no longer way out above the rest when it comes to the ratings, with series such as The Apprentice and X Factor able to beat them - and by some margin - week in, week out.
The only thing the soaps can offer is 52 weeks of consistency, while the other shows are inly on for frelatively short periods (well...4 months in one case )

The soap ratings will build once the school's go back and people stay in during the evening. But I agree, it's nice to see something else at the top of the pile.

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Good figures for 'Rivers' last night, nothing else particularly matching it. The Lewis repeat did alright, but Gunrush was low. I think it was a show far more sorted to the Monday night. Maybe Wuthering Heights should've been split between yestreday and next Sunday, with Gunrush being split between next Monday and the Monday after. The X Factor repeat did brilliantly - wish we knew the Formula One figures, bet it dented it slightly. I wonder if ITV will be tempted to run The Xtra Factor after it - I bet it'll keep a lot of the audience if it does.
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Old 24-08-2009, 21:47
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Watching ITV2 right now and on the entertainment news, they had news of The X Factor saying "bad news for The X Factor. Ratings have slumped" very melodramatic isn't it? It's only down by a few hundred thousand and the repeat figures were decent. Definetly a non story.
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Old 24-08-2009, 21:51
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New thread? Alright, probably the best time to do this then. I don't think we've had one of these in a while, so I think we need to have one as I suspect quite a few programmes will be entering the top 20 in the next few weeks and months:

Top 20 Officials- Most watched programmes of 2009 (up to and including w/e August 9th)

01 - 18.29m - BRITAIN'S GOT TALENT FINAL RESULT (31/05/09) - ITV1
02 - 16.36m - BRITAIN'S GOT TALENT (31/05/09) - ITV1

05 - 11.31m - DANCING ON ICE (22/03/09) - ITV1
13 - 8.92m - DANCING ON ICE - THE SKATE OFF (08/03/09) - ITV1


BBC1- 10
ITV1- 10
And if we remove the duplicate entries, what does the actual Top 20 shows/BBC1 v ITV1 count look like?

Corrie got 11.456m, while EE got 11.457m. So, jojo does technically have a point . It matters to some hardcore soap/EE fans !
Although technically the EE rating shouldn't be there because it was only the last 30 mins of a one hour episode which for some reason BARB (bless 'em) counted as two shows. (But didn't do for the 2 hour Apprenticeathon)

I don't think it will end up in the top 10 of the year, but I think England v Croatia world cup qualifier on Wednesday 9th September will end up the highest sports rating of the year.

The last qualifier against minnows Andorra got 7.98m which was pretty good. Last time England played Croatia, it averaged 11.19m although it was a huge decider on the BBC.
Three things count against it though - it's on ITV1, the channel where people would rather miss a big match than have to endure ITV Sport presentation; England's qualification is virtually a formality; the BBC match was on a horrid dark night in November. Even the 5-1 thrashing of Germany, played the corresponding weekend in September 2001, only pulled 10m (tho' it was Saturday early evening not mid-evening weekday prime).
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Old 24-08-2009, 21:54
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Sunday 23rd August 2009

ITV1
13:00 - The X Factor: 1.33m (11.2%)
19:00 - Lewis: 3.73m (18.1%)
21:00 - Gunrush: 3.09m (14.8%)
ITV should consider moving The X Factor to a primetime slot...
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Old 24-08-2009, 21:57
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Zoe McC on the last thread:
Solid Sunday for BBC1, and it surprises me that 5.4m want to watch 'Rivers'.
Why?

I've not seen all of them, but it's been a very interesting, informative and watchable series. The sort of thing only the BBC seems able to do well. It deserves its good ratings, and I'm sure we'll have another batch of Rivers next year now.
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Old 24-08-2009, 21:58
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Good figures for 'Rivers' last night, nothing else particularly matching it. The Lewis repeat did alright, but Gunrush was low. I think it was a show far more sorted to the Monday night. Maybe Wuthering Heights should've been split between yestreday and next Sunday, with Gunrush being split between next Monday and the Monday after. The X Factor repeat did brilliantly - wish we knew the Formula One figures, bet it dented it slightly. I wonder if ITV will be tempted to run The Xtra Factor after it - I bet it'll keep a lot of the audience if it does.
It's only a few years ago when ITV Sunday night dramas (including one-offs) were making up the bulk of the top 10 most watched dramas of the year. It seems they are suffering the effects of taking away their Sunday soap hour. Maybe things will pick up when X Factor arrives. After all, Dancing On Ice provides a big boost for Wild At Heart.

Watching ITV2 right now and on the entertainment news, they had news of The X Factor saying "bad news for The X Factor. Ratings have slumped" very melodramatic isn't it? It's only down by a few hundred thousand and the repeat figures were decent. Definetly a non story.
Is petty-minded rivalry developing between ITV1 and ITV2? Maybe ITV2 are annoyed that ITV3 were given the Bill repeat.
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Old 24-08-2009, 22:00
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Zoe McC on the last thread:


Why?

I've not seen all of them, but it's been a very interesting, informative and watchable series. The sort of thing only the BBC seems able to do well. It deserves its good ratings, and I'm sure we'll have another batch of Rivers next year now.
I saw all of Rivers, much of it on HD, and I found it extremely entertaining and enjoyable.
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Old 24-08-2009, 22:03
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Didn't see them myself but I can definately see the appeal of a show like Rivers - though a few too many celeb fronted travelogues on TV this year for my liking - obviously cheap TV!
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Old 24-08-2009, 22:08
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Solid Sunday for BBC1, and it surprises me that 5.4m want to watch 'Rivers'.

BBC/CH4 and FIVE's peaktime lineup of different films seemed to pay off and the Lewis repeat performed quite decently.

But very poor for Gunrush and BB. I think under the 'Monday night thriller' brand Gunrush would have easily brought in 5/6m split over 2 weeks and slotting plays a big factor in a lot of ITV's ratings. Same goes for Single Handed. The 10 min delay of BB also seemed to hurt it and it should really be getting close to the 3m mark now as we enter the final 2 weeks.

ITV's Sundays should be sorted in a few weeks with XF back, but I'm starting to wonder how the schedule will fit together with rumours of XF at 7. This won't provide a big lead in to Benidorm, but hopefully viewers will stick with ITV1. Personally I think some light drama like Heartbeat could pull in 6m viewers in that 8pm slot, but ITV are running out of episodes of that.



Rivers has been very stable and a good return for BBC1 and I would have found it very watchable had I not been in Cumbria trying unsuccessfully to avoid the endless rain. Having said that Rivers and Mountain before it are just glorified versions of good old Go With Noakes-transported from Sunday tea time to primetime. Dont tell Griff but Go With Noakes once got 13 million viewers.
X Factor's big return is peculiar only in so far as the show is just starting to face the merest hit of a backlash in comparison with its even more illustrious stablemate Britains Got Talent. The ratings are still good but I was expecting a few more and there does seem to be some negativity attached to its tweaks in format.
Could X Factor become niche? After all its just singers, the domain of screaming teenagers. Not that BBC1 has any answer- although the right time for Total Wipeout is the summer as it will bring in winning figures when there is little opposition.
As for the Sunday results, well the BBC will be praying for an hours show at 7pm imo. They can bung Countryfile against it and then the rest of the night is all to play for. There is no guarantee viewers will stick with ITV.
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Old 24-08-2009, 22:14
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Watching ITV2 right now and on the entertainment news, they had news of The X Factor saying "bad news for The X Factor. Ratings have slumped" very melodramatic isn't it? It's only down by a few hundred thousand and the repeat figures were decent. Definetly a non story.
Robbie - did you write the script for ITV2's entertainment news?

ITV should consider moving The X Factor to a primetime slot...
They might as well - get people used to it being on Sunday's for the results show.

It's only a few years ago when ITV Sunday night dramas (including one-offs) were making up the bulk of the top 10 most watched dramas of the year. It seems they are suffering the effects of taking away their Sunday soap hour. Maybe things will pick up when X Factor arrives. After all, Dancing On Ice provides a big boost for Wild At Heart.
I agree, the loss of the soaps to Sunday's has lost the stability the day had. Emmerdale, Coronation Street, 'homey' drama and a two hour drama offered some good figures for ITV1, and they've destroyed that. How tempting must it be to the directors already to switch Dancing On Ice back to a Saturday with the results show on a Sunday from January?

Is petty-minded rivalry developing between ITV1 and ITV2? Maybe ITV2 are annoyed that ITV3 were given the Bill repeat.
Maybe STV will see an opening and try and get some ITV2 programmes cheap?

Be ready for Katie and Peter people of Scotland...
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Old 24-08-2009, 22:18
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Solid Sunday for BBC1, and it surprises me that 5.4m want to watch 'Rivers'.

BBC/CH4 and FIVE's peaktime lineup of different films seemed to pay off and the Lewis repeat performed quite decently.

But very poor for Gunrush and BB. I think under the 'Monday night thriller' brand Gunrush would have easily brought in 5/6m split over 2 weeks and slotting plays a big factor in a lot of ITV's ratings. Same goes for Single Handed. The 10 min delay of BB also seemed to hurt it and it should really be getting close to the 3m mark now as we enter the final 2 weeks.

ITV's Sundays should be sorted in a few weeks with XF back, but I'm starting to wonder how the schedule will fit together with rumours of XF at 7. This won't provide a big lead in to Benidorm, but hopefully viewers will stick with ITV1. Personally I think some light drama like Heartbeat could pull in 6m viewers in that 8pm slot, but ITV are running out of episodes of that.



Rivers has been very stable and a good return for BBC1 and I would have found it very watchable had I not been in Cumbria trying unsuccessfully to avoid the endless rain. Having said that Rivers and Mountain before it are just glorified versions of good old Go With Noakes-transported from Sunday tea time to primetime. Dont tell Griff but Go With Noakes once got 13 million viewers.
X Factor's big return is peculiar only in so far as the show is just starting to face the merest hit of a backlash in comparison with its even more illustrious stablemate Britains Got Talent. The ratings are still good but I was expecting a few more and there does seem to be some negativity attached to its tweaks in format.
Could X Factor become niche? After all its just singers, the domain of screaming teenagers. Not that BBC1 has any answer- although the right time for Total Wipeout is the summer as it will bring in winning figures when there is little opposition.
As for the Sunday results, well the BBC will be praying for an hours show at 7pm imo. They can bung Countryfile against it and then the rest of the night is all to play for. There is no guarantee viewers will stick with ITV.
Even if The X Factor at 8 I can see BBC1 just bunging Countryfile against it, with Antiques Roadshow taking the 7pm slot.

I wonder what ITV will do with the 7pm/8pm slot. It's a big opportunity to showcase a new show, or attempt an old one once again. I wonder how, for example, For One Night Only would do at 8pm with The X Factor as a lead in? It had little chance before, but with something substanital behind it...
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Old 24-08-2009, 22:23
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Can anyone tell me how 'Gunrush' started? I wondered if only 3 million chose to watch it at all or if more started it but gave up quickly?
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Old 24-08-2009, 22:31
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I agree, the loss of the soaps to Sunday's has lost the stability the day had. Emmerdale, Coronation Street, 'homey' drama and a two hour drama offered some good figures for ITV1, and they've destroyed that. How tempting must it be to the directors already to switch Dancing On Ice back to a Saturday with the results show on a Sunday from January?
That's not a bad idea actually. The football on Saturdays is usually over by 7.30pm anyway, so there was never an absolute need for the show to move in the first place, and Saturdays in the winter have been poor without it. I'm sure taking primetime on Saturday and Sunday their new schedules must have performed significantly worse than when DoI was on Saturday and the soaps on Sunday.
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Old 24-08-2009, 22:35
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X Factor's big return is peculiar only in so far as the show is just starting to face the merest hit of a backlash in comparison with its even more illustrious stablemate Britains Got Talent. The ratings are still good but I was expecting a few more and there does seem to be some negativity attached to its tweaks in format.
I agree with what Steve Wright and his pals were saying on his Radio 2 show this afternoon - in a few weeks time everyone will have forgotten that the old format ever existed.
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Old 24-08-2009, 22:37
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Can anyone tell me how 'Gunrush' started? I wondered if only 3 million chose to watch it at all or if more started it but gave up quickly?
Um, a lot of dark meancing flcikers of light before switching to a driving lesson I think.
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Old 24-08-2009, 22:39
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Watching ITV2 right now and on the entertainment news, they had news of The X Factor saying "bad news for The X Factor. Ratings have slumped" very melodramatic isn't it? It's only down by a few hundred thousand and the repeat figures were decent. Definetly a non story.
It's not even newsworthy. The dip is insignificant and as you say, more than makes up for it on repeat showings. If they'd pushed it 30 minutes later it would have inevitably averaged more.
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Old 24-08-2009, 22:47
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It's not even newsworthy. The dip is insignificant and as you say, more than makes up for it on repeat showings. If they'd pushed it 30 minutes later it would have inevitably averaged more.
I think ITV may have sacrificed (if you can call it that!) The X Factor slightly in order to give The Cube the best chance of success, and therefore prolonging their prime time ratings. I reckon they were concerned about putting The Cube directly up against Michael McIntyre.
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Old 24-08-2009, 22:52
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Can anyone tell me how 'Gunrush' started? I wondered if only 3 million chose to watch it at all or if more started it but gave up quickly?
Gunrush started with 3.6m, but ended with 2.1m.
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Old 24-08-2009, 22:55
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That's not a bad idea actually. The football on Saturdays is usually over by 7.30pm anyway, so there was never an absolute need for the show to move in the first place, and Saturdays in the winter have been poor without it. I'm sure taking primetime on Saturday and Sunday their new schedules must have performed significantly worse than when DoI was on Saturday and the soaps on Sunday.
Think about Holly & Phil's workload. This Morning in the week, and all weekend on Dancing on Ice.
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Old 24-08-2009, 22:58
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Think about Holly & Phil's workload. This Morning in the week, and all weekend on Dancing on Ice.
They could film the results, like Strictly Come Dancing did.
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Old 24-08-2009, 23:01
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They could film the results, like Strictly Come Dancing did.
I suggested they do this a while back. There's no need for the results to be live like The X Factor as the interest probably isn't as high. It would give Saturdays in Winter a much needed boost without losing the show completely from Sunday nights.
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