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Old 12-09-2009, 03:06
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For all those who hate the Strictly v The X Factor debate, avoid this post

BBC Boss admits Strictly switch may upset viewers: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz...t-viewers.html

His [Sir Michael Lyons] comments have raised hopes that internal pressure could force BBC managers to reverse the decision in the interests of audiences.
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Old 12-09-2009, 03:07
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Another dance show. An unsuprising move, but will it over-saturate the dance reality TV market?
Well theres no real amateur dance show on tv and its very different from strictly.I thought Itv1 would have been more likely to have done an version of this than BBC one.
I wonder will they bring over Nigel Lythgoe and Cat Deeley to judge and present it.
 
Old 12-09-2009, 03:10
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Well theres no real amateur dance show on tv and its very different from strictly.I thought Itv1 would have been more likely to have done an version of this than BBC one.
I wonder will they bring over Nigel Lythgoe and Cat Deeley to judge and present it.
I think Graham Norton'd present it. He needs something to do on Saturday night's, and the BBC'd be criticised if they spent cash on Deeley while Norton's sitting there twiddling his thumbs.

Lythgoe may come over. Maybe Arlene with him as a kind of appeasement after losing her post on Strictly.

Talking of Arlene, I remember her being a mentor on Dance X. If the British public see SYTYCD? along the same lines at that the show'll be in trouble before it begins.

I agree - I'd have thought that ITV would be more likely to go for the programme.
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Old 12-09-2009, 03:25
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I dunno about Graham, would they let him do two high profile talent shows after each other, the wizard of oz is planned for april/may and sytycd would probably air from jan to march and he has eurovision and probably some kind of uk song selection show.

Michael Lyons comments were made on thursday night, the new story most of the papers are following is Bruces pay cut and how he thinks all entertainers are being overpaid.The Beeb spin doctors are at work.
I dont think either broadcaster is going to give in http://www.digitalspy.co.uk/strictly...actor-row.html
 
Old 12-09-2009, 03:35
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Not sure if this got picked up or not. Had a look back, but couldn't see anything.

The A-lister Jonathan Ross was lining up was Barbara Streisand....

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/entertainment/8247013.stm

First UK interview in over twenty years. She is the only guest on the October 2nd show and it will be renamed "Friday Night with Streisand and Ross" for the night - echoing the Madonna episode.
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Old 12-09-2009, 03:37
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I could have maybe seen it as a replacement for the Lloyd Webber shows but we know they're coming back now. And what about Lets Dance For Comic/Sport Relief? You'd have guessed that did enough to be recommissioned, but is there enough room for 3 dancing shows on BBC1?

The thing about SYTYCD is that it's not a big hit in terms of getting a mass audience. It had less than 7m for its recent premiere, but it it seen as a hit because the US places a huge focus on the 18-49 and 18-34 demographics and it skews heavily towards them. But that doesn't really help BBC1. I could maybe have seen it on ITV1 (Simon Shaps turned it down) but they're pretty much full with XF, BGT and DOI and probably wouldn't waste it in the summer.

I don't see Norton as a suitable host for that kind of show, they need a younger, cooler presenter. And it would depend on Lythgoe's schedule. He probably couldn't have this year as he was Exec Producing Superstars of Dance in January/February then had 2 series of SYTYCD? But I'd guess there will be just one series of SYTYCD? next year in the summer and Superstars of Dance was cancelled.

Ideally, I think they'd want Cat Deeley and Nigel Lythgoe involved. And I could see Arlene Phillips as well. Brian Friedman did judge some episodes in early seasons before he jumped to X Factor (as Creative Director) and America's Got Talent (as Consulting Producer) so I'm not sure about him, I think a third judge would have to be younger and I'm not fond of Friedman anyway!
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I dunno about Graham, would they let him do two high profile talent shows after each other, the wizard of oz is planned for april/may and sytycd would probably air from jan to march and he has eurovision and probably some kind of uk song selection show.

Michael Lyons comments were made on thursday night, the new story most of the papers are following is Bruces pay cut and how he thinks all entertainers are being overpaid.The Beeb spin doctors are at work.
I dont think either broadcaster is going to give in http://www.digitalspy.co.uk/strictly...actor-row.html
As others have said, I think they'll work out something in the end. I think the BBC will become pressurised into moving Strictly back.

Not sure if this got picked up or not. Had a look back, but couldn't see anything.

The A-lister Jonathan Ross was lining up was Barbara Streisand....

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/entertainment/8247013.stm

First UK interview in over twenty years. She is the only guest on the October 2nd show and it will be renamed "Friday Night with Streisand and Ross" for the night - echoing the Madonna episode.
Do you think many people in Britain are interested in Barbara Streisland now? I mean, in comparison to the likes of Madonna?

I don't see Norton as a suitable host for that kind of show, they need a younger, cooler presenter. And it would depend on Lythgoe's schedule. He probably couldn't have this year as he was Exec Producing Superstars of Dance in January/February then had 2 series of SYTYCD? But I'd guess there will be just one series of SYTYCD? next year in the summer and Superstars of Dance was cancelled.

Ideally, I think they'd want Cat Deeley and Nigel Lythgoe involved. And I could see Arlene Phillips as well. Brian Friedman did judge some episodes in early seasons before he jumped to X Factor (as Creative Director) and America's Got Talent (as Consulting Producer) so I'm not sure about him, I think a third judge would have to be younger and I'm not fond of Friedman anyway!
I think it'll be Norton or Patrick Kielty, Kielty did Let's Dance after all.

I have the feeling Cowell'll drive Friedman to his next job. He's not exactly helped The X Factor out.
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Old 12-09-2009, 03:55
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I think they might keep the lets dance format exclusively for comic relief like they did with comic relief does fame academy.

Will the show be an 19/talkback thames production I wonder like pop idol.If it is then talkback thames has a lot of talent shows to make for next year as they're talking over as the makers of Andrew lloyd webbers shows aswell as x factor and BGT.
 
Old 12-09-2009, 03:58
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Do you think many people in Britain are interested in Barbara Streisland now? I mean, in comparison to the likes of Madonna?
Maybe not.

I'm quite interested, but only as much as Barry Manilow, Whitney Houston, Jay Z or Robbie Williams.

I guess she deserves the hour because she hardly ever does an interview, which makes it more special.
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Old 12-09-2009, 09:55
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Derren will do well - I think most of the people who are disappointed are just annoyed that they thought they'd worked out how he'd done it and his explanation was nothing like they were expecting.
Exactly. Anyone who has watched Derren Brown over the years knew what to expect - more questions than answers really - and a plausible explanation with a sense of doubt.

It got a promo during Corrie too,so that might help. A shame though Peep Show has been held back till next week - OK, that's never rated as well as it should (1-1.5m), bur would definately have benefited from the inheritance this week.
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Old 12-09-2009, 10:03
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Are the ratings down for Jonathan Ross this series?

The show has moved quite markedly towards the older audience in terms of guests, Manilow, Alan Davies and next week it's Sir David Attenborough (again).

They throw in the odd younger one but it's all very safe.
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Old 12-09-2009, 10:24
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The Sun now have a campaign to get the BBC to move Strictly. This has really kicked up a stink, and I can't see Strictly staying in the later slot for long.

I think the best thing to do would be this:

BBC1
17.55 Merlin
18.40 Strictly Come Dancing
20.20 National Lottery: Who Dares Wins
21:10 Casualty

ITV1
18.20 You've Been Framed
18.50 Harry Hill's TV Burp
19.20 The Cube
20.20 The X Factor
21.50 Piers Morgan's Life Stories

Merlin did fine in the earlier slot last year and would do this year too (it didn't seem to affect its ratings at all). Strictly is the centrepiece of BBC1's line-up and is in a good slot, with the lottery and Casualty doing what they normally do.

Harry Hill hour would do well against Merlin/Strictly, and I would actually order more episodes of The Cube so that it could run further into the Autumn (it's not too late for ITV to order more), and X Factor and Piers Morgan both get good slots.
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Old 12-09-2009, 10:38
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The Sun now have a campaign to get the BBC to move Strictly. This has really kicked up a stink, and I can't see Strictly staying in the later slot for long.

I think the best thing to do would be this:

BBC1
17.55 Merlin
18.40 Strictly Come Dancing
20.20 National Lottery: Who Dares Wins
21:10 Casualty

ITV1
18.20 You've Been Framed
18.50 Harry Hill's TV Burp
19.20 The Cube
20.20 The X Factor
21.50 Piers Morgan's Life Stories

Merlin did fine in the earlier slot last year and would do this year too (it didn't seem to affect its ratings at all). Strictly is the centrepiece of BBC1's line-up and is in a good slot, with the lottery and Casualty doing what they normally do.

Harry Hill hour would do well against Merlin/Strictly, and I would actually order more episodes of The Cube so that it could run further into the Autumn (it's not too late for ITV to order more), and X Factor and Piers Morgan both get good slots.
What is the current saturday night schedule?
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Old 12-09-2009, 10:50
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The BBC need to stand firm and not let the Sun dictate where and when they can put there shows.

I dont watch either but hopefully Strictly willl stay exactley where it is right now.
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Old 12-09-2009, 11:00
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The BBC need to stand firm and not let the Sun dictate where and when they can put there shows.

I dont watch either but hopefully Strictly willl stay exactley where it is right now.
I quite agree!

I don't watch either X-factor or Strictly, but a tabloid newspaper shouldn't try to force the BBC to change.

If the BBC want to risk losing viewers be it on their head. ITV must be scared to be so mad at it.

BBC's excuse of wanting to show family programs earlier seems very plausible and I quite agree with it.

If ITV are that scared, they should amend their scheduling.

What is wrong with iPlayer or ITVplayer?
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Old 12-09-2009, 11:08
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The Sun now have a campaign to get the BBC to move Strictly. This has really kicked up a stink, and I can't see Strictly staying in the later slot for long.

I think the best thing to do would be this:

BBC1
17.55 Merlin
18.40 Strictly Come Dancing
20.20 National Lottery: Who Dares Wins
21:10 Casualty

ITV1
18.20 You've Been Framed
18.50 Harry Hill's TV Burp
19.20 The Cube
20.20 The X Factor
21.50 Piers Morgan's Life Stories

Merlin did fine in the earlier slot last year and would do this year too (it didn't seem to affect its ratings at all). Strictly is the centrepiece of BBC1's line-up and is in a good slot, with the lottery and Casualty doing what they normally do.

Harry Hill hour would do well against Merlin/Strictly, and I would actually order more episodes of The Cube so that it could run further into the Autumn (it's not too late for ITV to order more), and X Factor and Piers Morgan both get good slots.
ITV are even more guilty than the BBC in instigating next week's clash because they have unnnecessarily moved X Factor from 7.00 to 8.00. If they'd put it on at 6.40 they'd have had a 45 minute head-start and just a half-hour overlap.

Also (and the BBC should point this out to the Sun and the Daily Mail and ITV) the live X Factor shows don't actually start until 10th Oct. Next week is a pre-recorded audition show (which even Simon Cowell thinks are boring - that's why he introduced the audience), then its the pre-recorded Boot Camp shows, then the pre-recorded "at-home-with-the-judges" shows. So what's so awful about a clash in these weeks - this is just X Factor padding.

By the time live X Factor starts we're deeper into Autumn and the BBC can go with your schedule, Score, which they'll have to do at some point to fit in Who Dares Wins.
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Old 12-09-2009, 11:31
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What is wrong with ... ITVplayer?
How long have you got?

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Old 12-09-2009, 11:32
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What were the ratings for Derren Brown on CH4 last night?
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Old 12-09-2009, 11:38
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Good point actually. Iplayer, I like that a lot and is very good. The same with 4oD.
ITVPlayer is just a bugger as the adverts are annoyingly repetitive and sometimes just doesn't work... it is awful.

I'll rephrase my post - what's wrong with iplayer? lol

Katie841: the overnights haven't been released yet.
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Old 12-09-2009, 11:52
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The Sun now have a campaign to get the BBC to move Strictly. This has really kicked up a stink, and I can't see Strictly staying in the later slot for long.

I think the best thing to do would be this:

BBC1
17.55 Merlin
18.40 Strictly Come Dancing
20.20 National Lottery: Who Dares Wins
21:10 Casualty

ITV1
18.20 You've Been Framed
18.50 Harry Hill's TV Burp
19.20 The Cube
20.20 The X Factor
21.50 Piers Morgan's Life Stories

Merlin did fine in the earlier slot last year and would do this year too (it didn't seem to affect its ratings at all). Strictly is the centrepiece of BBC1's line-up and is in a good slot, with the lottery and Casualty doing what they normally do.

Harry Hill hour would do well against Merlin/Strictly, and I would actually order more episodes of The Cube so that it could run further into the Autumn (it's not too late for ITV to order more), and X Factor and Piers Morgan both get good slots.
What you and most of the tabloid writers forget is that from week 3 scd will be at least 2 hours long.So along with MERLIN thats 2 hours 45 minutes of shows to schedule between 6-9. So theres going to be an significant clash anyway.

That one sun article is the only newspaper article in the newspapers today that is still going on about the scheduling, most have moved on to Bruces comments about pay.
 
Old 12-09-2009, 12:02
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The BBC need to stand firm and not let the Sun dictate where and when they can put there shows.

I dont watch either but hopefully Strictly willl stay exactley where it is right now.
Does anyone remember The Sun campaign to stop the move of BBC news at nine to ten.

I also remember the stop the greedy BBC from scheduling fame academy against pop idol. campaign.

Neither were successful and if i remember correctly those were official 'THE SUN SAYS campaigns' not an shitty 'tv biz' campaign.
 
Old 12-09-2009, 12:29
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Good point actually. Iplayer, I like that a lot and is very good. The same with 4oD.
ITVPlayer is just a bugger as the adverts are annoyingly repetitive and sometimes just doesn't work... it is awful.

I'll rephrase my post - what's wrong with iplayer? lol

Katie841: the overnights haven't been released yet.
Try it again, they've literaly just switched to Flash and it works! IT WORKS!

I'm actually gutted that the BBC will be getting So You Think You Can Dance. Like every othe. BBC light entertainment programme it'll have a horrific out of date stage (expect one of those industrial fan things in the background), a horrid theme tune, unsuitable fonts, the colour pink, some sort of contribution to an arts bursary (that always bothers me for some reason) and no doubt a totaly innappropriate presenter (is Ben Shepard available?). Strictly's the only light entertainment they do well, but that's only because it requires a traditional look and feel.
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Old 12-09-2009, 12:36
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Try it again, they've literaly just switched to Flash and it works! IT WORKS!

I'm actually gutted that the BBC will be getting So You Think You Can Dance. Like every othe. BBC light entertainment programme it'll have a horrific out of date stage (expect one of those industrial fan things in the background), a horrid theme tune, unsuitable fonts, the colour pink, some sort of contribution to an arts bursary (that always bothers me for some reason) and no doubt a totaly innappropriate presenter (is Ben Shepard available?). Strictly's the only light entertainment they do well, but that's only because it requires a traditional look and feel.
Was it not on flash all along? Admittedly, it looks like a slightly different version of their player though.

The first program I tried - Corrie - didn't work :S It is very, very slow still and takes a lot longer to load than C4's. I managed to get Blue Murder to work though. Just a pity the whole thing closed when I tried to go full screen :|

iPlayer is a lot better thought because of the fact it remembers where you are so, if your internet fails or something you can go back to it.

That said, it is a lot better than before.
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Try it again, they've literaly just switched to Flash and it works! IT WORKS!
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Not for me, using latest FF. Tried to go to the latest episode of "The Fixer" (not that I want to watch it but just to see if there was any difference in the website) and I get this:

http://i206.photobucket.com/albums/b...m/thefixer.png

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Old 12-09-2009, 12:45
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Try it again, they've literaly just switched to Flash and it works! IT WORKS!

I'm actually gutted that the BBC will be getting So You Think You Can Dance. Like every othe. BBC light entertainment programme it'll have a horrific out of date stage (expect one of those industrial fan things in the background), a horrid theme tune, unsuitable fonts, the colour pink, some sort of contribution to an arts bursary (that always bothers me for some reason) and no doubt a totaly innappropriate presenter (is Ben Shepard available?). Strictly's the only light entertainment they do well, but that's only because it requires a traditional look and feel.
I think so you think you can dance will be an 19/talkback thames production like pop idol, its interesting that the bbc entertainment department has been dropped as the producer of Andrew lloyd webber show in favour of Talkback Thames.From the press release i get the feeling that their are going to do proper audition episodes of the show this year.

The bbc phonelines cant be used to collect money anymore from shows unless its an actual charity show eg lets dance for comic relief.Children in need lost about 1 million from strictly last year due to the new rules.
 
 
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