So thrilled the Cube held its own against Strictly and well done to TXF, not in the most accesible slot but still came out on top by a significant margin. 
Ratings Thread (Part 4)
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Not at all surprised that The X Factor beat SCD. TXF has always been slightly more popular I think, just edging it over SCD every time.
Good to see Merlin over 5 million viewers. It was a brilliant opening episode last night - loved it, just hope it can keep up a decent ratings performance.
Good to see Merlin over 5 million viewers. It was a brilliant opening episode last night - loved it, just hope it can keep up a decent ratings performance.
Both X Factor and SCD have taken a hit. SCD has issues, its very long for a start and going to get longer. I dont know where the BBC could realistically park a 2 hour show to please everybody. But its clear that viewers have gone for the audition/dafties element of XF rather than the very early on sparring and filler element of SCD. (To a certain extent the BBC's decision to play SCD earlier last year and avoid XF has turned the tables and allowed XF to gain a bigger and now hooked following.)Another issue is Alesha. Lovely as she is and hard as she might try, she isnt Arlene or someone whose words carry weight. There will be some viewers who be less interested because of it.
It could be that when the live XF shows start so both shows are doing the same thing that the ratings equalise a bit more. However XF and the Cowell phenomomen just grows and grows and I think a sea change has occured over the last two years.
It could be that when the live XF shows start so both shows are doing the same thing that the ratings equalise a bit more. However XF and the Cowell phenomomen just grows and grows and I think a sea change has occured over the last two years.
Originally Posted by Chris1964:
“Both X Factor and SCD have taken a hit. SCD has issues, its very long for a start and going to get longer. I dont know where the BBC could realistically park a 2 hour show to please everybody. But its clear that viewers have gone for the audition/dafties element of XF rather than the very early on sparring and filler element of SCD. (To a certain extent the BBC's decision to play SCD earlier last year and avoid XF has turned the tables and allowed XF to gain a bigger and now hooked following.)Another issue is Alesha. Lovely as she is and hard as she might try, she isnt Arlene or someone whose words carry weight. There will be some viewers who be less interested because of it.
It could be that when the live XF shows start so both shows are doing the same thing that the ratings equalise a bit more. However XF and the Cowell phenomomen just grows and grows and I think a sea change has occured over the last two years.”
“Both X Factor and SCD have taken a hit. SCD has issues, its very long for a start and going to get longer. I dont know where the BBC could realistically park a 2 hour show to please everybody. But its clear that viewers have gone for the audition/dafties element of XF rather than the very early on sparring and filler element of SCD. (To a certain extent the BBC's decision to play SCD earlier last year and avoid XF has turned the tables and allowed XF to gain a bigger and now hooked following.)Another issue is Alesha. Lovely as she is and hard as she might try, she isnt Arlene or someone whose words carry weight. There will be some viewers who be less interested because of it.
It could be that when the live XF shows start so both shows are doing the same thing that the ratings equalise a bit more. However XF and the Cowell phenomomen just grows and grows and I think a sea change has occured over the last two years.”
I must say that the BBCs decision not to use celebrities this year is a big mistake. I mean WTF are the sports guy from Breakfast and some guy off a shop your neighbour crime show doing on this? Have they used up all the big name newsreaders already or does Huw Edwards not want to demean himself?
Additionally the shows are so long and have no breaks (unlike ITV where you can go for a cuppa or pee without missing anything). Given that you need to be drinking before watching this is important!
The BBC News article has been updated:
Quote:
“A BBC spokesman said the figures are "very pleasing".
He added that there had been schedule overlaps on 40 previous occasions, and a combined audience of 19 million showed "there is something for everyone to enjoy on Saturday night".
There are no immediate plans to reschedule Strictly Come Dancing, the spokesman said.”
“A BBC spokesman said the figures are "very pleasing".
He added that there had been schedule overlaps on 40 previous occasions, and a combined audience of 19 million showed "there is something for everyone to enjoy on Saturday night".
There are no immediate plans to reschedule Strictly Come Dancing, the spokesman said.”
Whilst The X-Factor has taken what ITV should surely see as a pleasing win, I'm certainly not disheartened by SCD ratings. All it shows me is that both shows can co-exist together and both get good ratings. I don't think there's any need to fiddle about with the schedules.
Originally Posted by NorfolkBird:
“Whilst The X-Factor has taken what ITV should surely see as a pleasing win, I'm certainly not disheartened by SCD ratings. All it shows me is that both shows can co-exist together and both get good ratings. I don't think there's any need to fiddle about with the schedules.”
“Whilst The X-Factor has taken what ITV should surely see as a pleasing win, I'm certainly not disheartened by SCD ratings. All it shows me is that both shows can co-exist together and both get good ratings. I don't think there's any need to fiddle about with the schedules.”
Yes, it seems to demonstrate that this "clash" was just a storm in a very tiny teacup
Originally Posted by NorfolkBird:
“Whilst The X-Factor has taken what ITV should surely see as a pleasing win, I'm certainly not disheartened by SCD ratings. All it shows me is that both shows can co-exist together and both get good ratings. I don't think there's any need to fiddle about with the schedules.”
“Whilst The X-Factor has taken what ITV should surely see as a pleasing win, I'm certainly not disheartened by SCD ratings. All it shows me is that both shows can co-exist together and both get good ratings. I don't think there's any need to fiddle about with the schedules.”
As I said in an earlier post anything that gets over 7m can consider itself a big ratings hit. Nothing else BBC1 could schedule against X Factor on a Saturday would rate that high.
It'll be interesting to see Antiques Roadshow ratings tonight, because I imagine there's no too much overlap between its audiences and that of TXF. That seems much more like complimentary scheduling, something that could allow two popular programmes to perform well.
Incidentally, why haven't we had a report on last night's ratings yet from DS? Surely with the clash and the huge amount of fuss about it, this is one of the biggest ratings news stories of the whole year.
Bad form to quote oneself, but I did call this yesterday. 
Strictly's ratings were only 0.3m down on the first Saturday last year, so its not like its been crushed under the weight - in fact, you could say it held up pretty well (though I don't expect many will).
The difference now is the XF. First the Cheryl Cole thing, then more importantly, the Susan Boyle effect, have pushed these Cowell formats into the stratosphere ratings-wise. The media and this thread will continue to hype up the competition between SCD and XF, but I don't think theres any doubting the winner anymore, despite what Brucie might convince himself.
Both The Cube and Merlin did pretty well in their respective slots. I'm sure The Cube will be recommissioned now as its certainly one of the most successful gameshow formats introduced in the past couple of years. Merin did pretty well with a great share and the audience gain is encouraging. Could be pushed into pretty difficult territory as the slack of SCD's extra length is taken at the front of the schedule.
I guess the confirmed schedules for SCD Week 3 will prove whether the BBC have swapped SCD and Merlin for ratings, or because of SCD's length. If it was the former, then surely they'd swap the two and reduce the overlap by 45 minutes. But if its not and they simply refuse to air Merlin as late as 8.15/30pm, then they wont.
Strictly's ratings were only 0.3m down on the first Saturday last year, so its not like its been crushed under the weight - in fact, you could say it held up pretty well (though I don't expect many will).The difference now is the XF. First the Cheryl Cole thing, then more importantly, the Susan Boyle effect, have pushed these Cowell formats into the stratosphere ratings-wise. The media and this thread will continue to hype up the competition between SCD and XF, but I don't think theres any doubting the winner anymore, despite what Brucie might convince himself.
Both The Cube and Merlin did pretty well in their respective slots. I'm sure The Cube will be recommissioned now as its certainly one of the most successful gameshow formats introduced in the past couple of years. Merin did pretty well with a great share and the audience gain is encouraging. Could be pushed into pretty difficult territory as the slack of SCD's extra length is taken at the front of the schedule.
I guess the confirmed schedules for SCD Week 3 will prove whether the BBC have swapped SCD and Merlin for ratings, or because of SCD's length. If it was the former, then surely they'd swap the two and reduce the overlap by 45 minutes. But if its not and they simply refuse to air Merlin as late as 8.15/30pm, then they wont.
Originally Posted by Hello.:
“Oh, and I hope Merlin keeps up good viewers. It's good fun to watch and I enjoyed last nights episode, plus the preview for the series makes me think it's going to be a huge improvement on last years series.”
“Oh, and I hope Merlin keeps up good viewers. It's good fun to watch and I enjoyed last nights episode, plus the preview for the series makes me think it's going to be a huge improvement on last years series.”
Be interesting to see which way Merlin goes. As tired as I am of each episode basically being Merlin saving Arthur, last nights episode was very watchable and as you say the preview looked excellent. I assume by the end of the series they'll be killing off the bloke from Buffy so they can make Arthur King and move the story on next year.
Originally Posted by D.M.N.:
“Very good for The Cube, and I actually think its a good rating for Casino Royale. Lets see the breakdowns:
The Cube
19:00 - 4m (21%)
19:15 - 4.6m (23.4%)
19:30 - 5.1m (23.7%)
19:45 - 5.1m (23.1%)
The Cube appeared to increase quite a bit when Merlin finished, which is bizarre. Merlin did OK, I guess although a little down on last year.
And Casino Royale:
21:15 - 5.3m (24%)
21:30 - 5.3m (23.9%)
21:45 - 5.2m (24.1%)
22:00 - 5.2m (25%)
22:15 - 4.9m (25.5%)
22:30 - 4.9m (27.5%)
22:45 - 4.7m (28.6%)
23:00 - 4.1m (27.2%) <-- note drop for News
23:15 - 3.6m (27.9%)
23:30 - 3.5m (29.6%)
23:45 - 3.6m (33.8%)
00:00 - 3.2m (34.5%)
Why did ITV wrap it around the News?
Over a million went to bed - had ITV not have done that - it would have had at least 4m (and a 45% share) at midnight which is unheard of unless it is New Year's Eve.”
“Very good for The Cube, and I actually think its a good rating for Casino Royale. Lets see the breakdowns:
The Cube
19:00 - 4m (21%)
19:15 - 4.6m (23.4%)
19:30 - 5.1m (23.7%)
19:45 - 5.1m (23.1%)
The Cube appeared to increase quite a bit when Merlin finished, which is bizarre. Merlin did OK, I guess although a little down on last year.
And Casino Royale:
21:15 - 5.3m (24%)
21:30 - 5.3m (23.9%)
21:45 - 5.2m (24.1%)
22:00 - 5.2m (25%)
22:15 - 4.9m (25.5%)
22:30 - 4.9m (27.5%)
22:45 - 4.7m (28.6%)
23:00 - 4.1m (27.2%) <-- note drop for News
23:15 - 3.6m (27.9%)
23:30 - 3.5m (29.6%)
23:45 - 3.6m (33.8%)
00:00 - 3.2m (34.5%)
Why did ITV wrap it around the News?
Over a million went to bed - had ITV not have done that - it would have had at least 4m (and a 45% share) at midnight which is unheard of unless it is New Year's Eve.”
One practice I'd like to see banned is films being split around the news. They've shown the late news at 11.45pm before, so with a few tweaks could have scheduled it all in one slot last night.
Indeed, scheduling it last night seemed a waste really. And although pushing the boundaries perhaps, considering it was rated a 12 I'm sure it could have gone out as early as 8pm at some point this autumn - or could certainly have started slightly earlier last night at least.
Say 6.40pm The Cube, 7.40pm The X Factor, 8.55pm Casino Royale, 11.40pm News (or News at 8.55, Casino Royale at 9.10)
Any views on tonights ratings?I personally see this.
ITV1:7:00 Family fortunes 5.4m
7:45 X factor 11.8m
9:00 Doc Martin 9.4m
BBC1:7:00 Countryfile 4.4m
8:00 Antiques roadshow 5.7m
9:00 Waking the dead 4.9m
I think WTD is going to be really affected by the lead in XF will give the already very strong DM
ITV1:7:00 Family fortunes 5.4m
7:45 X factor 11.8m
9:00 Doc Martin 9.4m
BBC1:7:00 Countryfile 4.4m
8:00 Antiques roadshow 5.7m
9:00 Waking the dead 4.9m
I think WTD is going to be really affected by the lead in XF will give the already very strong DM
Originally Posted by Brekkie:
“Be interesting to see which way Merlin goes. As tired as I am of each episode basically being Merlin saving Arthur, last nights episode was very watchable and as you say the preview looked excellent. I assume by the end of the series they'll be killing off the bloke from Buffy so they can make Arthur King and move the story on next year.”
“Be interesting to see which way Merlin goes. As tired as I am of each episode basically being Merlin saving Arthur, last nights episode was very watchable and as you say the preview looked excellent. I assume by the end of the series they'll be killing off the bloke from Buffy so they can make Arthur King and move the story on next year.”
There's no necessity to do that. They may do, but the writers have always said the show is to Arthurian Legend what Smallville is to Superman.
They might therefore never be intending to show Arthur's time as king...
Originally Posted by claire2281:
“There's no necessity to do that. They may do, but the writers have always said the show is to Arthurian Legend what Smallville is to Superman.
They might therefore never be intending to show Arthur's time as king...”
“There's no necessity to do that. They may do, but the writers have always said the show is to Arthurian Legend what Smallville is to Superman.
They might therefore never be intending to show Arthur's time as king...”
I suppose Arthur becoming King could be saved for the very last episode.
Originally Posted by robbaza:
“Any views on tonights ratings?I personally see this.
ITV1:7:00 Family fortunes 5.4m
7:45 X factor 11.8m
9:00 Doc Martin 9.4m
BBC1:7:00 Countryfile 4.4m
8:00 Antiques roadshow 5.7m
9:00 Waking the dead 4.9m
I think WTD is going to be really affected by the lead in XF will give the already very strong DM”
“Any views on tonights ratings?I personally see this.
ITV1:7:00 Family fortunes 5.4m
7:45 X factor 11.8m
9:00 Doc Martin 9.4m
BBC1:7:00 Countryfile 4.4m
8:00 Antiques roadshow 5.7m
9:00 Waking the dead 4.9m
I think WTD is going to be really affected by the lead in XF will give the already very strong DM”
I think Family Fortunes may be hit by The Xtra Factor repeats on ITV2. Be interesting to see if The X Factor repeats today rate higher too.
I also think it's one reason The Cube held up this week - they didn't have nearly 2m people switching over for The Xtra Factor.
Talking of that, The Xtra Factor lead in should help Trinity tonight on ITV2, so I'm expecting that'll be around the million mark. Whether it sustains it or not remains to be seen - from the early previews it looked rather good, but the more I see the less I like.
Originally Posted by robbaza:
“Any views on tonights ratings?I personally see this.
ITV1:7:00 Family fortunes 5.4m
7:45 X factor 11.8m
9:00 Doc Martin 9.4m
BBC1:7:00 Countryfile 4.4m
8:00 Antiques roadshow 5.7m
9:00 Waking the dead 4.9m
I think WTD is going to be really affected by the lead in XF will give the already very strong DM”
“Any views on tonights ratings?I personally see this.
ITV1:7:00 Family fortunes 5.4m
7:45 X factor 11.8m
9:00 Doc Martin 9.4m
BBC1:7:00 Countryfile 4.4m
8:00 Antiques roadshow 5.7m
9:00 Waking the dead 4.9m
I think WTD is going to be really affected by the lead in XF will give the already very strong DM”
I think X Factor will be over 10 million - I suspect a few that watched SCD last night will watch the ITV1/ITV2/ITV2+1 repeat today.
Originally Posted by KennyT:
“Just doing a quick addition, just under 90% viewing the main 5 at 8pm?
K”
“Just doing a quick addition, just under 90% viewing the main 5 at 8pm?
K”
Just looking at the breakdown for 20:00:
100.0
- 37.2 [ITV1]
- 32.4 [BBC1]
- 05.3 [C4]
- 04.7 [BBC2]
- 04.2 [Five]
= 16.2%
So 100 minus 16.2 = 83.8% were watching terrestrial at 8pm yesterday.
Friday's ratings are up o DS, Derren Brown still got 3.1m, which is still fairly impressive for Channel 4, and provided a good lead in to Peep Show, which got 1.8m, was it not nearer 1m last series??
Friday 18th September Roundup
BBC One
18:00- BBC News At Six: 3.55m (23.2%)
18:30- BBC Regional News: 4.71m (29.0%)
19:00- The One Show: 3.76m (20.1%)
20:00- EastEnders: 8.13m (38.4%)
20:30- Strictly Come Dancing: 8.44m (35.7%)
* peak: 9.1m
22:00- BBC News At Ten: 4.99m (25.2%)
22:35- Friday Night With Jonathan Ross: 3.59m (27.1%)
BBC Two
20:00- Mastermind: 2.24m (10.6%)
20:30- Gardeners' World: 1.57m (6.8%)
21:00- The Tudors: 1.33m (5.5%)
ITV1
19:00- Emmerdale: 5.91m (33.1%)
19:30- Coronation Street: 8.00m (39.8%)
20:00- Tonight: 2.58m (12.2%)
20:30- Coronation Street: 6.13m (26.5%)
21:00- Rebus: 3.01m (12.6%)
Channel 4
19:30- A Place In The Sun: Home Or USA?: 699k (3.4%)
20:00- The Big Food Fight: 545k (2.3%)
21:00- Derren Brown: How To Control The Nation: 3.05m (12.8%) , +1: 598k (3.5%)
22:00- Peep Show: 1.81m (9.2%)
Five
20:00- Brighton Beach Patrol: 1.07m (4.8%)
21:00- NCIS: 850k (3.5%)
22:00- Law & Order: Criminal Intent: 1.05m (5.8%)
23:00- Law & Order: Criminal Intent: 808k (7.3%)
Primetime Shares
BBC One: 30.1%
ITV1: 19.1%
Channel 4: 7.0% (+1: 1.2%)
BBC Two: 7.2%
Five: 3.9%
Previous Strictly opening audiences (overnights)
2004 (spring) - 4.5m (32%)
2004 (autumn) - 6.1m (28%)
2005 - 7.0m (33%)
2006 - 8.8m (38%)
2007 - 7.4m (36%)
2008 - 8.0m (43%)
Derren Brown did well considering the difficult competition, and +1 picked up a nice audience.
BBC One
18:00- BBC News At Six: 3.55m (23.2%)
18:30- BBC Regional News: 4.71m (29.0%)
19:00- The One Show: 3.76m (20.1%)
20:00- EastEnders: 8.13m (38.4%)
20:30- Strictly Come Dancing: 8.44m (35.7%)
* peak: 9.1m
22:00- BBC News At Ten: 4.99m (25.2%)
22:35- Friday Night With Jonathan Ross: 3.59m (27.1%)
BBC Two
20:00- Mastermind: 2.24m (10.6%)
20:30- Gardeners' World: 1.57m (6.8%)
21:00- The Tudors: 1.33m (5.5%)
ITV1
19:00- Emmerdale: 5.91m (33.1%)
19:30- Coronation Street: 8.00m (39.8%)
20:00- Tonight: 2.58m (12.2%)
20:30- Coronation Street: 6.13m (26.5%)
21:00- Rebus: 3.01m (12.6%)
Channel 4
19:30- A Place In The Sun: Home Or USA?: 699k (3.4%)
20:00- The Big Food Fight: 545k (2.3%)
21:00- Derren Brown: How To Control The Nation: 3.05m (12.8%) , +1: 598k (3.5%)
22:00- Peep Show: 1.81m (9.2%)
Five
20:00- Brighton Beach Patrol: 1.07m (4.8%)
21:00- NCIS: 850k (3.5%)
22:00- Law & Order: Criminal Intent: 1.05m (5.8%)
23:00- Law & Order: Criminal Intent: 808k (7.3%)
Primetime Shares
BBC One: 30.1%
ITV1: 19.1%
Channel 4: 7.0% (+1: 1.2%)
BBC Two: 7.2%
Five: 3.9%
Previous Strictly opening audiences (overnights)
2004 (spring) - 4.5m (32%)
2004 (autumn) - 6.1m (28%)
2005 - 7.0m (33%)
2006 - 8.8m (38%)
2007 - 7.4m (36%)
2008 - 8.0m (43%)
Derren Brown did well considering the difficult competition, and +1 picked up a nice audience.
Originally Posted by smile371:
“Friday's ratings are up o DS, Derren Brown still got 3.1m, which is still fairly impressive for Channel 4, and provided a good lead in to Peep Show, which got 1.8m, was it not nearer 1m last series??”
“Friday's ratings are up o DS, Derren Brown still got 3.1m, which is still fairly impressive for Channel 4, and provided a good lead in to Peep Show, which got 1.8m, was it not nearer 1m last series??”
I believe it was. I wonder if the extra viewers were people who were unable to move after falling under the spell of Derren Brown.
Witch! Witch! Burn him! Burn him!
I've only just noticed the extra 600k who watched on +1, that is very impressive, and also the fact it still beat ITV in the hour, so came 2nd, which is good for channel 4
Originally Posted by sn_22:
“I guess the confirmed schedules for SCD Week 3 will prove whether the BBC have swapped SCD and Merlin for ratings, or because of SCD's length. If it was the former, then surely they'd swap the two and reduce the overlap by 45 minutes. But if its not and they simply refuse to air Merlin as late as 8.15/30pm, then they wont.”
“I guess the confirmed schedules for SCD Week 3 will prove whether the BBC have swapped SCD and Merlin for ratings, or because of SCD's length. If it was the former, then surely they'd swap the two and reduce the overlap by 45 minutes. But if its not and they simply refuse to air Merlin as late as 8.15/30pm, then they wont.”
I don't really see that they can change now. It would be quite the climbdown.
The moves certainly don't seem to have worked out well for the BBC in terms of ratings or publicity. ITV's surprising schedule seemed to hold pretty strong. The X Factor definitely lost out a bit but the most notable for me was The Cube doing so well against Strictly. The gap between The X Factor and Strictly does seem to be quite a bit larger than I thought. Usually where there was an overlap, Strictly would come out on top comfortably. But right from the start, The X Factor was almost 1m ahead and that just built from there. Casino Royale also doing great business for ITV but it seems stupid to have put the news in the middle of it.
Just for anyone wondering - last night's multichannel share throughout the evening:
18:00 - 44.8%
18:15 - 43.0%
18:30 - 40.6%
18:45 - 36.9%
19:00 - 31.9%
19:15 - 30.5%
19:30 - 24.2%
19:45 - 20.7%
20:00 - 16.2%
20:15 - 17.0%
20:30 - 17.2%
20:45 - 16.6%
21:00 - 18.3%
21:15 - 30.2%
21:30 - 33.4%
21:45 - 35.2%
22:00 - 34.0%
22:15 - 38.7%
22:30 - 37.3%
22:45 - 36.3%
23:00 - 36.6%
23:15 - 38.9%
23:30 - 38.9%
23:45 - 41.4%
00:00 - 40.2%
You can see how much the MC share jumps once X Factor and Strictly end.
18:00 - 44.8%
18:15 - 43.0%
18:30 - 40.6%
18:45 - 36.9%
19:00 - 31.9%
19:15 - 30.5%
19:30 - 24.2%
19:45 - 20.7%
20:00 - 16.2%
20:15 - 17.0%
20:30 - 17.2%
20:45 - 16.6%
21:00 - 18.3%
21:15 - 30.2%
21:30 - 33.4%
21:45 - 35.2%
22:00 - 34.0%
22:15 - 38.7%
22:30 - 37.3%
22:45 - 36.3%
23:00 - 36.6%
23:15 - 38.9%
23:30 - 38.9%
23:45 - 41.4%
00:00 - 40.2%
You can see how much the MC share jumps once X Factor and Strictly end.
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