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Old 12-02-2004, 16:05
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I just thought I would start a post about the whole baby thing in Corrie. Hayley and Roy are annoying me so much the way they are carrying on about the baby!! I used to like them but now I hate them and I feel really sorry for Tracey, whoI actually think wants her baby.
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Old 12-02-2004, 16:08
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I pitty the poor lass growing up with the "Crappers" what a dull life she will lead.
Hayley had a demonic look in her eyes last night when she saw the baby, I'd be scared.
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Old 12-02-2004, 16:14
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How could anyone feel sorry for that bitch Tracyluv. If Roy and Hayley had been a 'normal' couple she would have wrecked their marriage and just because she is obsessed with Steve thats no reason to F*** up his marriage/wedding. She is an Evil Cow who deserves all she gets.
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Old 12-02-2004, 16:45
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i feel a bit sorry for the Croppers, Roy is doing his best and he doesn't deserve the pain Tracey is going to cause him, neither does Hayley when you think of her situation, it's not surprising she's gone a bit OTT.

As for Steve's marriage, i think he wrecked that himself by shagging someone else!

It's the baby i feel most sorry for, no matter what happens to it.
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Old 12-02-2004, 18:28
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but wasn't karren already getting it on with joe ? b4 steve got it on with the stripper.
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Old 12-02-2004, 18:54
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Yes thats right she left him for Joe Carter. Tracyluv was only a one night stand. Bet he didnt know she would turn into a bunny boiler
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Old 12-02-2004, 22:48
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At a risk of sound like a friends freak......

Steve and Karen were SEPERATED when Steve shagged
Tracey.

They were ON A BREAK!

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Old 12-02-2004, 23:03
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can't understand why steve (or roy for that matter) hasn't considered a paternity test considering traceyluvs history
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Old 13-02-2004, 00:00
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At a risk of sound like a friends freak......
it's true, karen and steve were on a BREAK.

steve was convinced karen was shagging joe when she really wasn't, so he slept with that blonde woman while karen was on the business trip with carter. karen finds out, throws steve out, yet STILL doesn't sleep with joe. she and steve finally make a move to get back together, and before she even goes to meet him to talk, he's screaming down the mobile, accusing her of sleeping with joe (arrgh again). so finally, she can't stand it anymore, and sleeps with joe.

i personally think stevie-boy and his paranoia is to blame for the whole mess.
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Old 13-02-2004, 00:38
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i cannot understand any woman that can carry a baby inside their body for 9 months and then just give it away to someone else. i find it heartless
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Old 13-02-2004, 01:00
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Adoption / giving away children is a different issue I guess, but I think the reason people do it is that they honestly think they are doing the right thing for themselves and the child. If you think someone else can give your child a better life than you can, you aren't being heartless. Maybe some part of Tracy thought that the Croppers really would be good parents? But unfortunately I think in her case she really is thinking only of herself... not sure that she can think any other way!
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Old 13-02-2004, 12:06
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Originally posted by sandman
but wasn't karren already getting it on with joe ? b4 steve got it on with the stripper.
Break or no break i still don't think it's acceptable to sleep with someone and get them pregnant and expect not to have to take responsibility for your actions, no matter how much it jeopardises your future marriage. Steve is a cad and a bounder! He and Tracy are made for each other. i still pity the poor child!
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Old 13-02-2004, 14:32
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The storyline isn't really working properly, simply because it's apparent that H & R, however kindly, are simply not suited to bringing up a child. I'm not speaking from the point of view of the transgenderism - fine - it's just that albeit that they are well-intentioned, they don't have the kind of lifestyle that would be appropriate to raise a child in. I can actually see a child being rather damaged by Roy's oddness and control-freakery, never mind sense of humour failure! Therefore TracyLuv getting her baby back just seems rather obvious and desirable. It's hard to imagine that her parenting skills could be any worse than the Croppers, and at least she's interesting, in a badly acted way!
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Old 13-02-2004, 14:50
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Julie Hesmondhalgh (Hayley) is on Friends Reunited, here's the link:

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Old 13-02-2004, 14:52
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Originally posted by pony
The storyline isn't really working properly, simply because it's apparent that H & R, however kindly, are simply not suited to bringing up a child.
Didn't they try to foster/adopt at one point?
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Old 13-02-2004, 15:02
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I think you should be able to shag a girl on a one night stand and have no obligations whatsoever for any resultant baby. If a guy or a girl is against abortions in these circumstances they should absolutely abstain from any unprotected sex at all. It's implicit in the "one night stand scenario" that there is no intention to make a baby. For anyone to expect a man to take a lifetimes responsibility for that, is frankly being ridiculous.

What if the converse where true? What if the man insisted that she have the bay because he was against abortion? Because it's precisely the same thing. I know that it's different because she would be carrying the child, but might you of my first argument above.

In Steve's circumstances, he is being doublely done over, as he is being asked to accept responsibility way after the time at which he could have been involved in the decision making process. And after the baby, the Barlows, and the Croppers have become enmeshed in an unsolvable situation.

Tracyluv is a bitch. She should go to jail. The baby should go to the Croppers for no money. And the Barlows have access as the grandparents. Steve is not entitled to anything as it's has been made none of his business, and given the opportunity he said no.

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Old 13-02-2004, 15:03
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Originally posted by Vodka Squirrel
Maybe some part of Tracy thought that the Croppers really would be good parents? But unfortunately I think in her case she really is thinking only of herself... not sure that she can think any other way!
I think it can only be a tiny part. She's always calling Hayley a freak of nature and her main motive was she saw a way to extract a fortune from them.
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Old 13-02-2004, 15:10
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Originally posted by rudi

In Steve's circumstances, he is being doublely done over, as he is being asked to accept responsibility way after the time at which he could have been involved in the decision making process. And after the baby, the Barlows, and the Croppers have become enmeshed in an unsolvable situation.

Tracyluv is a bitch. She should go to jail. The baby should go to the Croppers for no money. And the Barlows have access as the grandparents. Steve is not entitled to anything as it's has been made none of his business, and given the opportunity he said no.

Rudi
A proper bitch, she preyed on Roy and Hayleys weakness for her own ends i.e. Money. Im sure she was no angel when she went to the Carribbean on her holida. String her up I say
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Old 13-02-2004, 15:13
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Originally posted by pony
Therefore TracyLuv getting her baby back just seems rather obvious and desirable. It's hard to imagine that her parenting skills could be any worse than the Croppers, and at least she's interesting, in a badly acted way!
Wasn't there a rumour that the Croppers ended up getting Sarah and Todd's baby once they cease to be a couple ...?

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Old 13-02-2004, 15:18
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Originally posted by rudi
I think you should be able to shag a girl on a one night stand and have no obligations whatsoever for any resultant baby. If a guy or a girl is against abortions in these circumstances they should absolutely abstain from any unprotected sex at all. It's implicit in the "one night stand scenario" that there is no intention to make a baby. For anyone to expect a man to take a lifetimes responsibility for that, is frankly being ridiculous.
Calm down dear! It's just a soap opera!

Actually, I have to say I disagree with you utterly. Even if you've just done a Becker in a broom cupboard, even if the most manipulative, in your opinion, creature on earth has exploited you - if you were willing to have sex/sexual acts, then you made your decision then, mate. If you don't want to take the risk of being responsible for children, be celibate. Otherwise, you've got responsibilities, and it's tough on you, but there's no reason the state should support a child for you just because you were horny - and why should the child suffer from having no father/mother figure because it's parent-in-denial couldn't keep their knickers on!
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Old 13-02-2004, 15:21
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Originally posted by drakaina
Didn't they try to foster/adopt at one point?
Mm, you're right; they made a pigs ear of it by running off to a campsite with their abused foster kid against the wishes of the courts, or something like that!
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Old 13-02-2004, 15:38
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Originally posted by pony
Calm down dear! It's just a soap opera!

Even if you've just done a Becker in a broom cupboard, even if the most manipulative, in your opinion, creature on earth has exploited you - if you were willing to have sex/sexual acts, then you made your decision then, mate.
Sorry I have to take Rudi's side here. I dont see why you should have to pay for 18 years for 5 mins of fun. (5 mins who am i kidding 30 secs at most) It always seems to be the male who is the fall guy. Im not saying all males are saints but I know of females who deliberatley trap a man.

My personal view not the managements. I(I havent asked her)
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Old 13-02-2004, 15:58
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Sorry I have to take Rudi's side here. I dont see why you should have to pay for 18 years for 5 mins of fun. (5 mins who am i kidding 30 secs at most) It always seems to be the male who is the fall guy.
er... what exactly do you mean by 'fall guy'? do you mean 'has to help with the mistake he helped make'? Surely for a male to end up as the fall guy the woman has to have gone through labour etc and can't get away with just financing the child.

Thank God there are laws to protect women, who's beliefs don't stretch to abortion and all the emotional baggage it comes with, from selfish irresponsible males.

One night stands will only end in a transexual bringing up your child!
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Old 13-02-2004, 15:58
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Calm down dear! It's just a soap opera!

Actually, I have to say I disagree with you utterly. Even if you've just done a Becker in a broom cupboard, even if the most manipulative, in your opinion, creature on earth has exploited you - if you were willing to have sex/sexual acts, then you made your decision then, mate. If you don't want to take the risk of being responsible for children, be celibate. Otherwise, you've got responsibilities, and it's tough on you, but there's no reason the state should support a child for you just because you were horny - and why should the child suffer from having no father/mother figure because it's parent-in-denial couldn't keep their knickers on!
I mostly agree with you. But what I am saying is that any male or female indulging in a one night stand should be pro abortion, and willing to terminate, if necessary. If not, don't do it! As you say, be celibate. It's a no brainer. A quick shag behind the pub does not a parent make (in denial or otherwise). Steve is no more the father of that child than Norris is. Genetic matter is cheap. Committed fatherhood is priceless.

In the US it is common for men to ask a partner to sign a waiver exempting them from any parental or financial reponsibility, and consenting to sex. It does remove some of the romance, but in a potentially risky legal circumstance like this, is perhaps advisable.

PS I have 3 young boys myself (13, 10, and 2).

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Old 13-02-2004, 16:13
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Originally posted by rudi

In the US it is common for men to ask a partner to sign a waiver exempting them from any parental or financial reponsibility, and consenting to sex. It does remove some of the romance, but in a potentially risky legal circumstance like this, is perhaps advisable.

Rudi
And the CSA won't recognise agreements like that so it beings us no further forward. And at least Steve and his ilk have had their 5 minutes of fun - we didn't have any at all, and so us taxpayers shouldn't be *ahem* screwed for 18 years because of it!

Expecting any random encounter to be pro-abortion is not only unrealistic, but also implies enough mental stability to make the choice on the part of both participants - something I don't think people who act in such an idiotic way are capable of!

There is no such thing as risk free sex, so if people don't want to take the risk, they needn't. I'm sure these temptresses aren't holding a gun to the guys' heads!
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