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Dr Will Kirby: Devilishly charming, intelligent and ruthless.
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Definitely Danielle BB3. She would've won for sure if the Jury was sequestered like they are these days. Also, I really liked Janelle but I can't remember if that was just because I disliked Cappy/Maggie/Ivette so much, so I really wanted Janelle to win, or I actually thought Janelle's gameplay was good lol. I should rewatch BB6.
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A lot of fans turned on Janelle, but I still think she is great personally.
She has her weaknesses, but if you look at her as an overall package (very strong competitor, performs well under pressure, an okay strategist - and she has lots of charisma too, not many of the other girls could equal that...) I do think the producers relied on her a bit too heavily at one point bringing her back for too many competitions and stuff though. And I found her quite annoying then, like how she flirted with Dick and Jerry.
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I liked Janelle, but she isnt all that great as a player. She's an awesome competitor in the competitions, and was by far the most likeable player of S6, but I dont think Janelle EVER made a really killer move, especially in BB6 where she let emotions get in her way in her only HoH that mattered. (She should never have gone after the useless Jennifer when Maggie and Ivette were around)
Her Allstars game was fairly pathetic too. Four HoH's, and her evictees were Allison, Diane, Marcellas and Chicken George - a potential enemy, a girl who couldnt be arsed to play, a genuine ally and the most useless player in the game. Seriously, I liked Janelle, but the only game credit she has is being totally honest in BB6, and she couldnt even carry that through to BB7. |
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About Jeff, 'he's been the most entertaining houseguest for me in all 11 seasons' - NOOOOOOOOOOOOO. I don't have access to the LF (we're in a recession you know!!) but IMO he is really annoying, and him and Jeff look like chalk and cheese to me, not sweet at all. Kevin is the most entertaining this season by far, his funny comments make BB11 for me (eg 'It's ok, we can talk about you're real age later'
About Jordan, she is dumb, and therefore makes some funny comments, but tbh, I don't think she is the 'most genuine and big-hearted HG we've ever had', she has ridden the coattails of Jeff and that annoys me. And again, with Jordan, her huge heart didn't come across on the CBS show as much as it did on the feeds day after day. But she was always helping people and cleaning the house and cared about others when they were upset and was willing to literally give the shirt off her back to people when they needed it. I stand by everything I said, while respectfully disagreeing with you.
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I agree that Danielle was a bit disapointing on Allstars, but she was a marked woman from the start and did well to get as far as she did. She probably should have gone at least one week further, had Erika not been a backstabbing BLEEP!
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Definitely Danielle BB3. She would've won for sure if the Jury was sequestered like they are these days.
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Since she knew they weren't sequestered and they'd see her DR entries, she deserved her fate.
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I was alright with Lisa winning tbh, because I think she played a decent game. I just think Danielle's was so much better; she made game-changing moves and decisions, she was the brains behind numerous important operations. It's obvious that the jury voted personally because even Josh gave Lisa his vote, even though he admitted Danielle had played the best game, and people were really surprised at his vote. I definitely think Dr. Will winning the previous season had an effect on the jury vote...
Lisa's game can be compared to what we just saw with Jordan; stay low, be friendly, win comps when it's crucial. |
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I agree, I said last night that there are a lot of similarities between Lisa and Jordan, with the only real difference is Lisa became increasingly aware of the game, whilst Jordan never really knew what was going on, and seriously just lucked out until the end when she finally started to win.
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I always go with the best strategic game play so, I say Dr Will in Season 2, Danielle season 3, and Dan season 10.
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My favourite players of all time:
1. Danielle (BB3/7) - Loved her both as a character and the way she played the game. The set up for the jury really screwed her over and she really is the best player to have never won. 2. Will (BB2/7) - Amazing mastermind at the game and surprisingly likeable in a love to hate way. Definetely the best BB player ever overall. 3. Janelle (BB6/7) - Great at the competitions and whilst not the best strategic player, her personality more than made up for it. |
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Dr Will...the most charismatic housemate to appear in any Big Brother worldwide...
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Right. Ill place the winner of BB10 Dan here.
Why? Basically because I think out of all the winners he played the best social game and the best Strategic game. Right from the start he made allies, when his biggest ally was shot down week 1, unlike Angie and Stephen who flopped on thier vote, Dan knew that instead keeping his vote to save Brian (a pointless vote) would put the idea that Dan was a loyal person and Angie/Stephen and almost Memphis were not. He then kept under the radar till the AC week where he pretty much had deals with both sides of the house, meaning that no matter how America voted, he would have an alliance afterwards. After that he stopped throwing competitions and began winning and also managed to throw his own ally, Memphis under the bus a couple of times. (Evicting Keesha/The Jury Questioning/Getting Memphis to fake ally with Jerry). I could say a few other things like how Dan seeded the Jury as well, he also knew when to backstab (Olly+Michelle, Renny too). Anyway, his social game however was also top, he avoided the mega-arguments that went on often, he used pet-names with the Jury as well as owning up to any strategic gameplay that went on, also occasionally lying about some things too (Like when Jerry accused him of being cocky when winning and Dan claiming he wanted to give Memphis reason to take him to F2). |
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I'd agree with that. Dan and Will are the best two players ever in my opinion, I only currently place Will higher because of how far he made it a second time around. We'll see how far Dan can go if another All Stars comes around.
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Will Kirby. He won Season 2 without getting a single HoH and then got to the final four on the All Stars season by doing the same thing.
Janelle was also a great player by winning three HoH:s and seven Vetos on the All Stars version. |
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Right. Ill place the winner of BB10 Dan here.
Why? Basically because I think out of all the winners he played the best social game and the best Strategic game. Right from the start he made allies, when his biggest ally was shot down week 1, unlike Angie and Stephen who flopped on thier vote, Dan knew that instead keeping his vote to save Brian (a pointless vote) would put the idea that Dan was a loyal person and Angie/Stephen and almost Memphis were not. He then kept under the radar till the AC week where he pretty much had deals with both sides of the house, meaning that no matter how America voted, he would have an alliance afterwards. After that he stopped throwing competitions and began winning and also managed to throw his own ally, Memphis under the bus a couple of times. (Evicting Keesha/The Jury Questioning/Getting Memphis to fake ally with Jerry). I could say a few other things like how Dan seeded the Jury as well, he also knew when to backstab (Olly+Michelle, Renny too). Anyway, his social game however was also top, he avoided the mega-arguments that went on often, he used pet-names with the Jury as well as owning up to any strategic gameplay that went on, also occasionally lying about some things too (Like when Jerry accused him of being cocky when winning and Dan claiming he wanted to give Memphis reason to take him to F2). In hindsight too, he was also in a far better position during the jury eliminations than I had then realised. Even though he was clearly not to be trusted, he was always going to get 3 votes against Memphis - all he needed to do was win Keesha. Obviously he got the other 3 in the end, but Memphis was totally played by ever thinking he could beat Dan. |
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I think its a bit unfair to rank people on second-runs and rank people lower because they havent had a second-run?
Actually I think its probably harder on a first runthrough. People dont know you and dont have any idea of how you will play the game, hence theres a lot of 'suspicion' that could be placed on you unfairly through little fault of the individual at the start (Angie in BB10 for example or Braden in BB11) Well... Thats actually more accountable for the seasons after BB2 as on BB2 I dont think people 100% were looking for certain behaviour or actions like others have done in recent seasons. ----------------- Also with what youve said as far as Dans jury vote was. I saw it a little different with Keeshas, Rennys and Libras votes locked for Dan and April and Jerrys votes locked for Memphis with Ollie/Michelle as swings. Of course looking back after the final. Its true while Dan may have not been on the same alliance as April, he at least made an effort to get to know her. Hence Rennys speech, as loopy as it was, it made sense in a way as she was pretty much stating that Dan made an effort for each and every person in the game with little gestures such as saying goodnight to Jerry before bed or playing silly jokes with Keesha and Michelle. Or even the slightly bigger things. Remember when Jerry fell in the pool? Memphis stood back and laughed if I remember rightly while Dan rushed over to help Jerry up. |
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I think its a bit unfair to rank people on second-runs and rank people lower because they havent had a second-run?
Actually I think its probably harder on a first runthrough. People dont know you and dont have any idea of how you will play the game, hence theres a lot of 'suspicion' that could be placed on you unfairly through little fault of the individual at the start (Angie in BB10 for example or Braden in BB11) Well... Thats actually more accountable for the seasons after BB2 as on BB2 I dont think people 100% were looking for certain behaviour or actions like others have done in recent seasons. ----------------- Also with what youve said as far as Dans jury vote was. I saw it a little different with Keeshas, Rennys and Libras votes locked for Dan and April and Jerrys votes locked for Memphis with Ollie/Michelle as swings. Of course looking back after the final. Its true while Dan may have not been on the same alliance as April, he at least made an effort to get to know her. Hence Rennys speech, as loopy as it was, it made sense in a way as she was pretty much stating that Dan made an effort for each and every person in the game with little gestures such as saying goodnight to Jerry before bed or playing silly jokes with Keesha and Michelle. Or even the slightly bigger things. Remember when Jerry fell in the pool? Memphis stood back and laughed if I remember rightly while Dan rushed over to help Jerry up. Also, i've never been as masssive on Will as others have, but its been dawning on me recently how good he was. I think it was awesome the way he saw the rules of the game like the others but took the complete opposite approach of what you were supposed to do.
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I think its a bit unfair to rank people on second-runs and rank people lower because they havent had a second-run?
Actually I think its probably harder on a first runthrough. People dont know you and dont have any idea of how you will play the game, hence theres a lot of 'suspicion' that could be placed on you unfairly through little fault of the individual at the start (Angie in BB10 for example or Braden in BB11) Well... Thats actually more accountable for the seasons after BB2 as on BB2 I dont think people 100% were looking for certain behaviour or actions like others have done in recent seasons. He deserves his top spot even without that though. He was brilliant in BB2. |
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Yes but everyone else knew how everyone else played and practically everyone there was a strategic threat in one way or another (Minus uh... Chicken George).
Though the BB6 four were of course a problematic start with them winning all the HOHs. So by the time Wills gameplay began really starting, the game had already rolled along too much to worry about past gameplay. |
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Yes but everyone else knew how everyone else played and practically everyone there was a strategic threat in one way or another (Minus uh... Chicken George).
Though the BB6 four were of course a problematic start with them winning all the HOHs. So by the time Wills gameplay began really starting, the game had already rolled along too much to worry about past gameplay. I disagree a bit.. Whilst your right - by the time Danielle won HoH, the others had a massively dominant alliance to deal with before Chilltown, theres no way S6 should have let so many chances to remove them. The whole four weeks HoH they had went to complete waste, because of the four people they sent home, only one was even a threat to them, which was Alison, who was ready to kill Janelle. Diane wasnt in the game at all, Nakomis had no allies, and had even offered to help them out, and Jase was one of the weakest players there first time around, and really was easily disposable. They should have played to remove the threats, and gotten rid of Alison, Will and Danielle when they had the chance.
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Remember though - A Classic BB strategy is to lie low at the start then work your way up. Everyone in All-Stars knew that and that likely effected the decisions. (And as ive already said, preconceptions of the under-the-radar strategy have affected seasons recent also)
BB3 Had Danielle doing that, BB4 had Jun doing the same, BB5 with Drew, Diane and Cowboy, BB6's Maggie, BB10s Dan and Memphis, BB11's Kevin, BB9's Adam to an extent as well. That could have been a prominent thought. I mean Nakomis was already known for her 5-finger plan and known to be highly strategic, Diane was already known to be Nakomis's strongest ally so she was tarred that way and as you said, Alison was already a danger. Jase however :/ That was the dumbo move. Then again aside from James, the BB6 crew were never that great strategy-wise, Howie being very dumb in that sense, Janelles best move was winning many comps and Kaysar is overrated. |
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