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Why do the MOBO awards never recognize guitar music
They may as well just call it the hip hop awards. Some of the most inventive "member of black origin" music this decade has come from artists like Bloc Party, Noisettes, Lightspeed Champion, TV on The Radio yet none of them are ever recognized because its too "indie"and a predominantly white genre and wouldn't fit in with all the "brapppps" but event organizers need to ask themselves were influential guitar music actually came from before Elvis, before The Beatles... they're out of touch and put on this fake facade of celebrating diversity and culture.. its bull.
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It's 'music of black origin' awards not 'awards for black performers', so yeah, the awards are for Rn'B, soul, rap etc musicians of all races. These days rock and indie are not seen as having anything to do with black people, so I can see why those genres are left out of the MOBOS.
This in particular doesn't annoy me, but the general race divide in music does. The fact that some people think that there is music for black people and music for white people, and anyone who listens to the 'wrong' sort is trying to be a race they're not. It doesn't matter so much if white people like rap, but I've heard that in some places black people who listen to rock or metal will be ridiculed for 'acting white', which is ridiculous. You can't act a colour. |
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It's 'music of black origin' awards not 'awards for black performers', so yeah, the awards are for Rn'B, soul, rap etc musicians of all races.
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so basically you're saying that guitar music doesn't have black origins... so I suppose you've never heard of Chuck Berry
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I don't care...Cisus has 2 nominations!!! *Applauds*
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Definitely see where your coming from some of the nominations are purely embarrasing , N-Dubz - Strong Again is a nominee for song of the year somehow who knows who decided that.
It Always has been aimed more towards hip hop and r&b, though I think it does give awards for jazz and so on. Does anyone know if VV Brown got a nominee? |
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to be continued... I'm off to Reading
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i agree with Turquoise. but it shows what a pc country we have become. i know there's similar things in other countries but here we're way over the top. i don't want to get all political, but this really angers me. it's a racist event anyway. it basically says 'no whites allowed'. i know there are some in the international category, and it's more about the music, but who the hell decides what music people of different colour listen to? and in that case why can't there be a 'Music Of White Origin' awards ceremony? oh, of course - that would be racist wouldn't it? doesn't matter when it's the other way round though. no wonder this country is so divided.
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i agree with Turquoise. but it shows what a pc country we have become. i know there's similar things in other countries but here we're way over the top. i don't want to get all political, but this really angers me. it's a racist event anyway. it basically says 'no whites allowed'. i know there are some in the international category, and it's more about the music, but who the hell decides what music people of different colour listen to? and in that case why can't there be a 'Music Of White Origin' awards ceremony? oh, of course - that would be racist wouldn't it? doesn't matter when it's the other way round though. no wonder this country is so divided.
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Jeez, how easy is it to get a MOBO nomination. JLS and Alexandra Burke nominated on the strength of what? One single ! No album, no touring, masses of free publicitly, and all of a sudden they're the best things in so-called Black Music? I've no problem with the race issue of the MOBOs, but I don't think they do anything for the credibility of the genre if they're saying this is the best we have.
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i agree with Turquoise. but it shows what a pc country we have become. i know there's similar things in other countries but here we're way over the top. i don't want to get all political, but this really angers me. it's a racist event anyway. it basically says 'no whites allowed'. i know there are some in the international category, and it's more about the music, but who the hell decides what music people of different colour listen to? and in that case why can't there be a 'Music Of White Origin' awards ceremony? oh, of course - that would be racist wouldn't it? doesn't matter when it's the other way round though. no wonder this country is so divided.
So white people are only in the international category? Do you think these awards are held in DR Congo? There are plenty of "Music of White Origin" award ceremonies, they're just not named that. If you want to talk about who decides who listens to what, go back a few decades and look up the billboard charts for things like "race records" or "race music". The issues with the MOBO awards are the large amount of genres and styles they ignore, the nonsense they focus on, and the name (partly for the fact that it causes this tedious "that's so racist!" stuff every year). |
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Rock & pop music originates from r 'n' b (that's proper Rhythm 'n' Blues, not your bloody Beyonce or whatever) so all music is of Black origin, surely?
In which case, Seasick Steve should be nominated- he's a great blues musician! |
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i agree with Turquoise. but it shows what a pc country we have become. i know there's similar things in other countries but here we're way over the top. i don't want to get all political, but this really angers me. it's a racist event anyway. it basically says 'no whites allowed'. i know there are some in the international category, and it's more about the music, but who the hell decides what music people of different colour listen to? and in that case why can't there be a 'Music Of White Origin' awards ceremony? oh, of course - that would be racist wouldn't it? doesn't matter when it's the other way round though. no wonder this country is so divided.
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it basically says 'no whites allowed'.
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why can't there be a 'Music Of White Origin' awards ceremony?
Why are you intent on finding racism where it doesn't exist exactly? That's what divides people. |
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It doesn't matter so much if white people like rap, but I've heard that in some places black people who listen to rock or metal will be ridiculed for 'acting white', which is ridiculous. You can't act a colour.
Certainly not by rock or metal fans. I've been in to rock and metal music for the last 30+ years and I've never heard of anyone being ridiculed on the basis of their colour. To a rock fan if you like the music that's all that matters, the colour of your skin has nothing to do with it. |
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What I meant is that young black people who listen to rock or metal sometimes get bullied by other black kids for 'acting white'. I don't know how common it is, exactly, but I know it goes on.
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Rock & pop music originates from r 'n' b (that's proper Rhythm 'n' Blues, not your bloody Beyonce or whatever) so all music is of Black origin, surely?
This is a fairly daft argument, but for example Vampire Weekend's music is heavily influenced by Congolese soukous yet isn't music of black origin. They simply take musical styles popular in African music and adapt them to fit white American guitar pop. Most modern guitar pop and rock came about because white musicians admired and enjoyed African-American music and imitated it, but you have to give modern musicians credit for their own creativity. The Beatles, for example, took ideas from rock'n'roll, classical music, folk, Indian classical music and British popular music and turned them into something unique. Why pigeonhole what they, or any other band, created as music of black origin when it has so many other influences? |
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i agree with Turquoise. it's a racist event anyway. it basically says 'no whites allowed'. i know there are some in the international category, and it's more about the music, but who the hell decides what music people of different colour listen to? and in that case why can't there be a 'Music Of White Origin' awards ceremony? oh, of course - that would be racist wouldn't it? doesn't matter when it's the other way round though. no wonder this country is so divided.
I mean - Jesus Christ. You white people want to be involved in EVERYTHING. You know when white people have their Kerrang awards or Country Music Awards, as a black man I ain't bothered that black people aren't represented. Hell - I'm glad (lol) |
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What this also shows is just how QUICK white people are to allege racism, like not having white people at the Mobo awards is gonna seriously affect your life (lol)
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All music is of black origin? I think Wagner might have a thing or two to say about that.
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haha, say whatever you want
the MOBO's isn't a great example, fair enough, but there's more obvious ones oh well, i don't care anyway!
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I mean - Jesus Christ. You white people want to be involved in EVERYTHING. You know when white people have their Kerrang awards or Country Music Awards, as a black man I ain't bothered that black people aren't represented. Hell - I'm glad (lol)
The only reason black people aren't represented in the Kerrang awards and Country awards, is that there aren't many black people in rock or country these days. This is what I'm on about- there is a race divide in music! People think that there is music for black people and music for white people, so white people don't get into Rn'B because they think it's 'black music' and black people don't start rock bands because they think it's 'white music'. This is the problem- it's these attitudes that have to go! If people took the idea that they can't create or even listen to a certain type of music because of their race and got it out of their heads then a lot of trouble would be saved ! Yes sobers, I think that white people should be allowed to be involved in all music ceremonies. I also think all black people should be allowed to get involved in all music ceremonies, and all Asians, and all Latinos, and all Chinese... There should not be a race divide in music. Simple. |
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What this also shows is just how QUICK white people are to allege racism, like not having white people at the Mobo awards is gonna seriously affect your life (lol)
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But some white people do take part in the MOBOs. But if there was a ban, that would be racism. It doesn't matter which race it is and who's doing it to who. If someone's being banned from somewhere because of their race, it's racism.
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You miss the point to have a 'Music Of White Origin' awards especially in country like the UK where whites are in the CLEAR majority, would be absurd and would ignore the FACT that whites already predominate on most all existing networks, and that entertainment and music awards shows pegged to people of color are few and far between.
I mean - Jesus Christ. You white people want to be involved in EVERYTHING. You know when white people have their Kerrang awards or Country Music Awards, as a black man I ain't bothered that black people aren't represented. Hell - I'm glad (lol) Oh dear Lord, I thought we'd moved on that from that sort of attitude.
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the MOBO's isn't a great example, fair enough, but there's more obvious ones
Oh dear Lord, I thought we'd moved on that from that sort of attitude.