Led Vs Lcd

ppaupy · 28-08-2009, 15:03

Hi as i have mentioned in a previous thread im going to buy a new lcd tv to replace my crt.

I have been into Comet today and fallen in love with a Samsung 40in Led TV after thinking i was going to buy a 40in Sony lcd.

So i would dearly value some advice as to what to do.

Thanks Paul.

r_mitchell85 · 28-08-2009, 15:12

apparently the LED's they are currently selling are only "LED backlit", the proper LED TV's havent been released yet.....

....Im sure someone will be able to confirm the truth of this?

chrisjr · 28-08-2009, 15:14

They are both LCDs actually. The LEDs are only the backlight. "normal" LCDs use a tube similar to the fluorescents you may have hanging from the ceiling.

It isn't an array of red green and blue LEDs directly producing a picture.

Details here...

http://www.samsung.com/uk/experience...led/index.html

ppaupy · 28-08-2009, 15:35

Oh....so really then no real reason to spend the extra £400 for the samsung?

martysport · 28-08-2009, 16:03

Don't bother with LCD, plasma is a much nicer image

http://www.plasma-lcd-facts.co.uk/

ppaupy · 28-08-2009, 16:12

Quote:

Originally Posted by martysport

Don't bother with LCD, plasma is a much nicer image

http://www.plasma-lcd-facts.co.uk/

Now im just confused...lol

I need someone to just make the choice for me..lol

bobcar · 28-08-2009, 16:42

Quote:

Originally Posted by ppaupy

Now im just confused...lol

I need someone to just make the choice for me..lol

The best way is to look at them yourself and decide which you prefer as your own preference is all that counts - this does rely on finding a shop that will do this properly though as most seem to have them set up very badly.

ppaupy · 28-08-2009, 16:52

Quote:

Originally Posted by bobcar

The best way is to look at them yourself and decide which you prefer as your own preference is all that counts - this does rely on finding a shop that will do this properly though as most seem to have them set up very badly.

yes the ones i have seen in comet all seem to be of different quality from tv to tv due to the lighting etc

martysport · 28-08-2009, 16:53

Quote:

Originally Posted by bobcar

this does rely on finding a shop that will do this properly though as most seem to have them set up very badly.

Indeed, some shops try and 'push' LCD but having those conected to some HD source and the Plasmas conected with a scart

Fatwaz · 28-08-2009, 17:56

plasma for me too.better blacks,better motion,natural looking picture.

mossy2103 · 28-08-2009, 18:10

Quote:

Originally Posted by chrisjr

They are both LCDs actually. The LEDs are only the backlight. "normal" LCDs use a tube similar to the fluorescents you may have hanging from the ceiling.

It isn't an array of red green and blue LEDs directly producing a picture.

Details here...

http://www.samsung.com/uk/experience...led/index.html

Yes, at the moment it's clever (or sneaky) marketing to make people think that it's a totally new technology in the display:

"LCD screens are out of date, so yesterday, I've got a brand new LED screen".

tasker · 28-08-2009, 23:23

marty greatest respect but you are obviously a plasma fan, most stores are the same and will have one tv wether lcd or plasma hooked up to the main source the rest are daisy chained to that one source.

no store purposefully puts the lcd onto the main source and not the plasma to make it look worse.

plasma is good for fast moving objects and larger (50" screens) lcd tends to be better for viewing angles and in general day to day viewing.

ultimately make your own choice up if needs be get the store to do direct feeds to one of each so you can decide but having owned a samsung lcd for over a year even i was amazed at the quality of the led screens.

the price of plasmas is dropping rapidly and if you really want the best it will be a top range pioneer or panasonic whereas a mid range samsung, lg, tosh sony (mid being £700 ish) will be more than acceptable for standard def tv, blu ray and freeview.

whichever you buy stick to a reputable make and you cant really go wrong but dont be falling into the hype of led, 200 hz processing and built in widgets at the end of the day 99% of the time your gonna sit in front of it and watch it not play with it, its a monitor the source you play into it is just as important as what you are watching it on.

pericom · 29-08-2009, 00:09

Another vote for Plasma... LCD's Polarizing filters can get stuffed !

-GONZO- · 29-08-2009, 13:50

Quote:

Originally Posted by ppaupy

Hi as i have mentioned in a previous thread im going to buy a new lcd tv to replace my crt.

I have been into Comet today and fallen in love with a Samsung 40in Led TV after thinking i was going to buy a 40in Sony lcd.

So i would dearly value some advice as to what to do.

Thanks Paul.

Ive had this TV for almost 3 weeks now and think its great.
Like you I fell in love with it when I first saw it too and I wasnt even looking to buy a new TV, but the temptation was just too much for me. Then my wife saw it and she was the same.
The picture looks amazing with the Dark Knight on Blu Ray.
The freeview picture looks pretty good too.
If you connect the tv upto your modem you can connect to the internet which ive not fully tested out yet, but was pretty happy with the You Tube setup which is pre installed in the software.
This TV is a little expensive, but im so glad I made the purchase.

ppaupy · 29-08-2009, 15:03

Quote:

Originally Posted by -GONZO-

Ive had this TV for almost 3 weeks now and think its great.
Like you I fell in love with it when I first saw it too and I wasnt even looking to buy a new TV, but the temptation was just too much for me. Then my wife saw it and she was the same.
The picture looks amazing with the Dark Knight on Blu Ray.
The freeview picture looks pretty good too.
If you connect the tv upto your modem you can connect to the internet which ive not fully tested out yet, but was pretty happy with the You Tube setup which is pre installed in the software.
This TV is a little expensive, but im so glad I made the purchase.

Wow thanks for the positive feedback...now all i have to do is convince my other half....should be fun..

ppaupy · 16-09-2009, 22:28

just a quick update..after getting back from holiday yesterday i went to comet today and bought a panasonic 42inch plasma..tx-p42s11b.

looked and sounded great in shop..fingers crossed i will like it when its all set up in my sitting room...

roddydogs · 17-09-2009, 08:06

Quote:

Originally Posted by martysport

Don't bother with LCD, plasma is a much nicer image

http://www.plasma-lcd-facts.co.uk/

Tell us----how many time have you wheeled out that ancient, out of date website...you haven got Plasma, by any chance?

paulr2006 · 17-09-2009, 09:16

Quote:

Originally Posted by tasker

............
no store purposefully puts the lcd onto the main source and not the plasma to make it look worse.

plasma is good for fast moving objects and larger (50" screens) lcd tends to be better for viewing angles and in general day to day viewing.

I can take you to several places where certain TV's are deliberately fed with an inferior feed & others with HD feed to push sales, I have a friend working in one of them

Plasma is in fact far superior with regard to viewing angles & well known for it.

I'm not a plasma fanboy as I believe both have their merits my last TV was LCD, now I have plasma & I have been very happy with both

roddydogs · 17-09-2009, 09:24

I really like the lovley reflections you get with Plasma, you just dont get this with LCD.

paulr2006 · 17-09-2009, 09:35

Quote:

Originally Posted by roddydogs

I really like the lovley reflections you get with Plasma, you just dont get this with LCD.

Not an LCD Fanboy by any chance

oh & for the record my LCD was at least as reflective as my plasma as it had a glossy screen

roddydogs · 17-09-2009, 10:11

No , ive got a 50" Panny Plasma, thanks very much, lovley reflections, dont need a mirror.

frasera · 17-09-2009, 10:14

led isn't led. theres led backlight, led localized dimming, led rgb
plain led is just edge lit like cathode tube, maybe better, maybe worse. its a single factor. high color gamut lcds sometimes have cathode tube backlights. localized dimming depends on arrays of leds. how dense and how well controlled they are is another matter. do it badly and detail goes missing when dimming is botched..and worse. rgb led is well..expensive. its the best....

late8 · 17-09-2009, 10:23

Quote:

Originally Posted by roddydogs

I really like the lovley reflections you get with Plasma, you just dont get this with LCD.

No but with plasma you get everything else... better motion...better black...natural colours...better gradients..... BETTER PICTURE!

I went from LCD to Plasma.. until OLED or something better comes along Plasma still wins if you want a pro picture. They still use plasmas on TV for studios etc.

paulr2006 · 17-09-2009, 10:45

Quote:

Originally Posted by roddydogs

No , ive got a 50" Panny Plasma, thanks very much, lovley reflections, dont need a mirror.

Buy some curtains then

problem solved, or just view at night & you will be fine

Pugwash69 · 17-09-2009, 10:54

I have a watch with OLED display - the major advantages are the low power consumption, no backlight required, 180 degree viewing angle without distortion and great contrast (due to no backlight).

But I fear it'll be a long time before anything bigger than my 1" display becomes affordable!

28-08-2009, 15:03	#1
ppaupy Forum Member Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: chertsey Posts: 2,198	Led Vs Lcd Hi as i have mentioned in a previous thread im going to buy a new lcd tv to replace my crt. I have been into Comet today and fallen in love with a Samsung 40in Led TV after thinking i was going to buy a 40in Sony lcd. So i would dearly value some advice as to what to do. Thanks Paul.

28-08-2009, 15:14	#3
chrisjr Forum Member Join Date: May 2004 Location: Reading Posts: 27,916	They are both LCDs actually. The LEDs are only the backlight. "normal" LCDs use a tube similar to the fluorescents you may have hanging from the ceiling. It isn't an array of red green and blue LEDs directly producing a picture. Details here... http://www.samsung.com/uk/experience...led/index.html Last edited by chrisjr : 28-08-2009 at 15:15. Reason: added link

28-08-2009, 15:12	#2
r_mitchell85 Forum Member Join Date: Mar 2003 Posts: 4,884	apparently the LED's they are currently selling are only "LED backlit", the proper LED TV's havent been released yet..... ....Im sure someone will be able to confirm the truth of this?

28-08-2009, 15:35	#4
ppaupy Forum Member Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: chertsey Posts: 2,198	Oh....so really then no real reason to spend the extra £400 for the samsung?

28-08-2009, 16:03	#5
martysport Forum Member Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Exciled in France Posts: 363	Don't bother with LCD, plasma is a much nicer image http://www.plasma-lcd-facts.co.uk/

28-08-2009, 16:12	#6
ppaupy Forum Member Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: chertsey Posts: 2,198	Quote: Originally Posted by martysport Don't bother with LCD, plasma is a much nicer image http://www.plasma-lcd-facts.co.uk/ Now im just confused...lol I need someone to just make the choice for me..lol

28-08-2009, 16:42	#7
bobcar Forum Member Join Date: Sep 2004 Posts: 14,718	Quote: Originally Posted by ppaupy Now im just confused...lol I need someone to just make the choice for me..lol The best way is to look at them yourself and decide which you prefer as your own preference is all that counts - this does rely on finding a shop that will do this properly though as most seem to have them set up very badly.

28-08-2009, 16:52	#8
ppaupy Forum Member Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: chertsey Posts: 2,198	Quote: Originally Posted by bobcar The best way is to look at them yourself and decide which you prefer as your own preference is all that counts - this does rely on finding a shop that will do this properly though as most seem to have them set up very badly. yes the ones i have seen in comet all seem to be of different quality from tv to tv due to the lighting etc

28-08-2009, 16:53	#9
martysport Forum Member Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Exciled in France Posts: 363	Quote: Originally Posted by bobcar this does rely on finding a shop that will do this properly though as most seem to have them set up very badly. Indeed, some shops try and 'push' LCD but having those conected to some HD source and the Plasmas conected with a scart

28-08-2009, 17:56	#10
Fatwaz Forum Member Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Essex Posts: 1,992	plasma for me too.better blacks,better motion,natural looking picture.

28-08-2009, 18:10	#11
mossy2103 Forum Member Join Date: Aug 2005 Posts: 68,710	Quote: Originally Posted by chrisjr They are both LCDs actually. The LEDs are only the backlight. "normal" LCDs use a tube similar to the fluorescents you may have hanging from the ceiling. It isn't an array of red green and blue LEDs directly producing a picture. Details here... http://www.samsung.com/uk/experience...led/index.html Yes, at the moment it's clever (or sneaky) marketing to make people think that it's a totally new technology in the display: "LCD screens are out of date, so yesterday, I've got a brand new LED screen".

28-08-2009, 23:23	#12
tasker Forum Member Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: south yorkshire Posts: 1,263	marty greatest respect but you are obviously a plasma fan, most stores are the same and will have one tv wether lcd or plasma hooked up to the main source the rest are daisy chained to that one source. no store purposefully puts the lcd onto the main source and not the plasma to make it look worse. plasma is good for fast moving objects and larger (50" screens) lcd tends to be better for viewing angles and in general day to day viewing. ultimately make your own choice up if needs be get the store to do direct feeds to one of each so you can decide but having owned a samsung lcd for over a year even i was amazed at the quality of the led screens. the price of plasmas is dropping rapidly and if you really want the best it will be a top range pioneer or panasonic whereas a mid range samsung, lg, tosh sony (mid being £700 ish) will be more than acceptable for standard def tv, blu ray and freeview. whichever you buy stick to a reputable make and you cant really go wrong but dont be falling into the hype of led, 200 hz processing and built in widgets at the end of the day 99% of the time your gonna sit in front of it and watch it not play with it, its a monitor the source you play into it is just as important as what you are watching it on.

29-08-2009, 00:09	#13
pericom Forum Member Join Date: Aug 2001 Posts: 5,039	Another vote for Plasma... LCD's Polarizing filters can get stuffed !

29-08-2009, 13:50	#14
-GONZO- Forum Member Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Kent Posts: 8,954	Quote: Originally Posted by ppaupy Hi as i have mentioned in a previous thread im going to buy a new lcd tv to replace my crt. I have been into Comet today and fallen in love with a Samsung 40in Led TV after thinking i was going to buy a 40in Sony lcd. So i would dearly value some advice as to what to do. Thanks Paul. Ive had this TV for almost 3 weeks now and think its great. Like you I fell in love with it when I first saw it too and I wasnt even looking to buy a new TV, but the temptation was just too much for me. Then my wife saw it and she was the same. The picture looks amazing with the Dark Knight on Blu Ray. The freeview picture looks pretty good too. If you connect the tv upto your modem you can connect to the internet which ive not fully tested out yet, but was pretty happy with the You Tube setup which is pre installed in the software. This TV is a little expensive, but im so glad I made the purchase.

29-08-2009, 15:03	#15
ppaupy Forum Member Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: chertsey Posts: 2,198	Quote: Originally Posted by -GONZO- Ive had this TV for almost 3 weeks now and think its great. Like you I fell in love with it when I first saw it too and I wasnt even looking to buy a new TV, but the temptation was just too much for me. Then my wife saw it and she was the same. The picture looks amazing with the Dark Knight on Blu Ray. The freeview picture looks pretty good too. If you connect the tv upto your modem you can connect to the internet which ive not fully tested out yet, but was pretty happy with the You Tube setup which is pre installed in the software. This TV is a little expensive, but im so glad I made the purchase. Wow thanks for the positive feedback...now all i have to do is convince my other half....should be fun..

16-09-2009, 22:28	#16
ppaupy Forum Member Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: chertsey Posts: 2,198	just a quick update..after getting back from holiday yesterday i went to comet today and bought a panasonic 42inch plasma..tx-p42s11b. looked and sounded great in shop..fingers crossed i will like it when its all set up in my sitting room...

17-09-2009, 08:06	#17
roddydogs Forum Member Join Date: Apr 2007 Posts: 6,353	Quote: Originally Posted by martysport Don't bother with LCD, plasma is a much nicer image http://www.plasma-lcd-facts.co.uk/ Tell us----how many time have you wheeled out that ancient, out of date website...you haven got Plasma, by any chance?

17-09-2009, 09:16	#18
paulr2006 Forum Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Nottinghamshire Posts: 1,098	Quote: Originally Posted by tasker ............ no store purposefully puts the lcd onto the main source and not the plasma to make it look worse. plasma is good for fast moving objects and larger (50" screens) lcd tends to be better for viewing angles and in general day to day viewing. I can take you to several places where certain TV's are deliberately fed with an inferior feed & others with HD feed to push sales, I have a friend working in one of them Plasma is in fact far superior with regard to viewing angles & well known for it. I'm not a plasma fanboy as I believe both have their merits my last TV was LCD, now I have plasma & I have been very happy with both

17-09-2009, 09:24	#19
roddydogs Forum Member Join Date: Apr 2007 Posts: 6,353	I really like the lovley reflections you get with Plasma, you just dont get this with LCD.

17-09-2009, 09:35	#20
paulr2006 Forum Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Nottinghamshire Posts: 1,098	Quote: Originally Posted by roddydogs I really like the lovley reflections you get with Plasma, you just dont get this with LCD. Not an LCD Fanboy by any chance oh & for the record my LCD was at least as reflective as my plasma as it had a glossy screen

17-09-2009, 10:11	#21
roddydogs Forum Member Join Date: Apr 2007 Posts: 6,353	No , ive got a 50" Panny Plasma, thanks very much, lovley reflections, dont need a mirror.

17-09-2009, 10:14	#22
frasera Inactive Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Posts: 8,063	led isn't led. theres led backlight, led localized dimming, led rgb plain led is just edge lit like cathode tube, maybe better, maybe worse. its a single factor. high color gamut lcds sometimes have cathode tube backlights. localized dimming depends on arrays of leds. how dense and how well controlled they are is another matter. do it badly and detail goes missing when dimming is botched..and worse. rgb led is well..expensive. its the best....

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17-09-2009, 10:23	#23
late8 Forum Member Join Date: Jul 2005 Posts: 7,052	Quote: Originally Posted by roddydogs I really like the lovley reflections you get with Plasma, you just dont get this with LCD. No but with plasma you get everything else... better motion...better black...natural colours...better gradients..... BETTER PICTURE! I went from LCD to Plasma.. until OLED or something better comes along Plasma still wins if you want a pro picture. They still use plasmas on TV for studios etc.

17-09-2009, 10:45	#24
paulr2006 Forum Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Nottinghamshire Posts: 1,098	Quote: Originally Posted by roddydogs No , ive got a 50" Panny Plasma, thanks very much, lovley reflections, dont need a mirror. Buy some curtains then problem solved, or just view at night & you will be fine

17-09-2009, 10:54	#25
Pugwash69 Forum Member Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: The Sticks Posts: 3,720	I have a watch with OLED display - the major advantages are the low power consumption, no backlight required, 180 degree viewing angle without distortion and great contrast (due to no backlight). But I fear it'll be a long time before anything bigger than my 1" display becomes affordable!