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The All Purpose Rugby Union Thread
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MeicY
03-03-2012
England terminate kit manufacturing deal with Nike, move to Canterbury from September 2012 onwards.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/rug...and-shirt.html
tealady
04-03-2012
Will the real France please turn up for the second half.
Frood
04-03-2012
Originally Posted by tealady:
“Will the real France please turn up for the second half.”

Lazy in attack - asleep in defence.

And BBC - PLEASE lose Eddie Butler
tealady
04-03-2012
Hard to believe that for all the possession France had at the end, they could not score any points.
Eddie is rather annoying now,seems to delight in making sniping comments at Moore's reasonable observations.
MeicY
04-03-2012
Dear English rugby team. Please beat the Frogs next week. Many thanks, the Taffs.
sensoria
05-03-2012
Originally Posted by MeicY:
“Dear English rugby team. Please beat the Frogs next week. Many thanks, the Taffs.”

I think that would be about the worst thing you could hope for.

If England beat France it will be harder for the Welsh, because nothing makes the French better than being hopless and fearless.
david1955
05-03-2012
Originally Posted by MeicY:
“Dear English rugby team. Please beat the Frogs next week. Many thanks, the Taffs.”

Well, first of all , we English rugby types to not refer to the French as " Frogs".

We just call them dirty French bastards.

Seriously , I was very much impressed by the kicking from hand by Francois Trinh- Duc. Why other home nations players are incapable of kicking towards the corners as he does , rather than a hopeless punt directly into the hands of the opposition is beyond me. It surely is not that difficult.
gomezz
05-03-2012
It appears to be a tactical thing to *not* kick for the corners these days, presumably because the lineouts are no longer properly contested. If you kick infield and get your back row on top of the catcher then there is a better chance of getting turnover. Perhaps a modern coach on here can explain it better?
david1955
05-03-2012
Originally Posted by gomezz:
“It appears to be a tactical thing to *not* kick for the corners these days, presumably because the lineouts are no longer properly contested. If you kick infield and get your back row on top of the catcher then there is a better chance of getting turnover. Perhaps a modern coach on here can explain it better?”

For up and unders yes, fair enough. But why just punt the ball back to th opposition with no hope of contesting it Get it to the corners and even if the line out goes against you the ball will still be in the oppos 22. Line outs in any case are not always won by the thrower in , probably 2 out of 5 are lost
sensoria
05-03-2012
Originally Posted by gomezz:
“It appears to be a tactical thing to *not* kick for the corners these days, presumably because the lineouts are no longer properly contested. If you kick infield and get your back row on top of the catcher then there is a better chance of getting turnover. Perhaps a modern coach on here can explain it better?”

The main theory behind it is to isolate the catcher and hope to get a turnover or a penalty. Saracens have it as their major gameplan it is a bit like the rugby version of the long ball stategy.

Refs play a big part in it, if a referee is quick to ping players for holding on then it is worth kicking and hoping you can get up quickly.

Wales now use it a lot as they have a quick line speed.

If you have a good defence it is a good way to play territory but it isn't very exciting.
david1955
05-03-2012
Originally Posted by sensoria:
“The main theory behind it is to isolate the catcher and hope to get a turnover or a penalty. Saracens have it as their major gameplan it is a bit like the rugby version of the long ball stategy.

Refs play a big part in it, if a referee is quick to ping players for holding on then it is worth kicking and hoping you can get up quickly.

Wales now use it a lot as they have a quick line speed.

If you have a good defence it is a good way to play territory but it isn't very exciting.”

My point is that the kicking is so bad. You cannot isolate a player if he is able to catch a ball with no-one within 20 metres of him. Most of the kicking just hands the ball back to the opposition with no hope of tackling him. Trinh-Duc actually made the opposition run for the ball or at least try to pick it up on the bounce
MeicY
05-03-2012
Originally Posted by sensoria:
“I think that would be about the worst thing you could hope for.

If England beat France it will be harder for the Welsh, because nothing makes the French better than being hopless and fearless.”

Makes no difference in the grand scheme of things - now that France are a point down on us, if we beat Italy and England beat France, we have a three point advantage over them going into the final weekend.

Assuming we beat Italy, England beat France and Ireland beat Scotland:

W P4 W4 D0 L0 P8
E P4 W3 D0 L1 P6
F P4 W2 D1 L1 P5
I P4 W2 D1 L1 P5
S P4 W0 D0 L4 P0
It P4 W0 D0 L4 P0

I then expect Ireland to beat England, and even if France beat us, they'd be on 7 pts, not enough to beat us.

If however France beat England, then it really is winner takes all at Cardiff in a fortnight.
sensoria
05-03-2012
Originally Posted by MeicY:
“Makes no difference in the grand scheme of things - now that France are a point down on us, if we beat Italy and England beat France, we have a three point advantage over them going into the final weekend.

Assuming we beat Italy, England beat France and Ireland beat Scotland:

W P4 W4 D0 L0 P8
E P4 W3 D0 L1 P6
F P4 W2 D1 L1 P5
I P4 W2 D1 L1 P5
S P4 W0 D0 L4 P0
It P4 W0 D0 L4 P0

I then expect Ireland to beat England, and even if France beat us, they'd be on 7 pts, not enough to beat us.

If however France beat England, then it really is winner takes all at Cardiff in a fortnight.”

It all plays into the hands of Wales as Ireland a France have to play 4 weeks on the bounce. Which is tough with the physicality of the Encounters.
Tiger Rose
05-03-2012
I see Danny Care has been a complete idiot yet again - will he ever learn his lesson or is he (literally) p***ing his career up the wall?
Finny Skeleta
05-03-2012
Originally Posted by MeicY:
“Makes no difference in the grand scheme of things - now that France are a point down on us, if we beat Italy and England beat France, we have a three point advantage over them going into the final weekend.

Assuming we beat Italy, England beat France and Ireland beat Scotland:

W P4 W4 D0 L0 P8
E P4 W3 D0 L1 P6
F P4 W2 D1 L1 P5
I P4 W2 D1 L1 P5
S P4 W0 D0 L4 P0
It P4 W0 D0 L4 P0

I then expect Ireland to beat England, and even if France beat us, they'd be on 7 pts, not enough to beat us.

If however France beat England, then it really is winner takes all at Cardiff in a fortnight.”

To be the best you have to beat the best; Wales have the Championship in their own hands now and it's pretty much Grand Slam or bust. The last thing any of the Welsh team want is to have to repeat what happened at Twickenham in 1994 when Ieuan Evans collected the 5 Nations trophy after losing against England; the look on his face told the whole story.

Wales should be looking to beat Italy and France and make all other the other results irrelevant and if they want to be taken seriously as a good side then that's the attitude they must have. It's the attitude that the All Blacks, South Africa, Australia, England pre-2004 and France (when they can be bothered) would have.
MeicY
05-03-2012
Absolutely, and of course I am rooting for the GS. But we must also be realistic and examine the possibility of winning the pot with a 80% record.
Marmite Baby
10-03-2012
Too much brawn and not enough brain from Wales in the first half.
sensoria
10-03-2012
Waiting for the floodgates??

Ha ha! Come on Italy!
richie4eva
10-03-2012
My feeling for today was underestimate Italy at our peril

Up to the Jamie Roberts try, their defence has been pretty good

My only quarrel is this referee is a bit whistle happy and not letting the game flow too much
vaughan6477
10-03-2012
Originally Posted by sensoria:
“Waiting for the floodgates??

Ha ha! Come on Italy!”

Only if you believe our media. Italy are always a challenge to overcome up front for Wales. Important for us to have a real challenge from Italy today and not get over confident before facing France.
vaughan6477
10-03-2012
Originally Posted by richie4eva:
“My feeling for today was underestimate Italy at our peril

Up to the Jamie Roberts try, their defence has been pretty good

My only quarrel is this referee is a bit whistle happy and not letting the game flow too much”

Quite a bit of cynical play from both sides though , he's got to have both sets of players contributing to a free flowing game.
vaughan6477
10-03-2012
Yellow for Shove. That's one every game in this tournament for us , daft from Halfpenny.
richie4eva
10-03-2012
And there we have it, all set up nicely for next week against France
sensoria
10-03-2012
I bet France are terrified.....

Wales were awful Preistland in particular. Dithered over every decision. Stop their bi runners don't commit to the breakdown. Dusitoir will love it.
Stunty
10-03-2012
Well done to Wales ......


The Championship will all be decided, one way or the other, by the time England and Ireland take the field next week!!

Surely the BBC main team will be in Cardiff? Probably not.
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