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Old 14-09-2009, 18:52
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In new Interview with John Lydon reforming Public Image.

He think UK music is out of touch and needed more life.It's mardey serious and like watching paint dry on a wet day.

On Amy Winehouse.The day we go back Jazz and back to being black and white is the day I give up faith in music.I mean it was not cool to like Jive Bunny not to long ago so why like Jazz music now.

On Coldplay and Radiohead.Viva La Viva does my head in just as much as free music from unhappy gits.

On the 80's comeback.People think the 80's were great but it was god awful and S#ite.Not much people care if spando get back together or no.There were miner strikes people being made homeless and a dog called maggie and friends at number 10.
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Old 14-09-2009, 18:58
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In new Interview with John Lydon reforming Public Image.

He think UK music is out of touch and needed more life.It's mardey serious and like watching paint dry on a wet day.

On Amy Winehouse.The day we go back Jazz and back to being black and white is the day I give up faith in music.I mean it was not cool to like Jive Bunny not to long ago so why like Jazz music now.

On Coldplay and Radiohead.Viva La Viva does my head in just as much as free music from unhappy gits.

On the 80's comeback.People think the 80's were great but it was god awful and S#ite.Not much people care if spando get back together or no.There were miner strikes people being made homeless and a dog called maggie and freinds at number 10.
Same old, same old.

Unless he can persuade Jah Wobble to rejoin it will be the same old Lydon S*ite.
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Old 14-09-2009, 19:01
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He sums up the 80's just wonderful.
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Old 14-09-2009, 19:17
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I like the way he compares Amy's music to to Jive.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d7zF1...eature=related
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Old 14-09-2009, 21:33
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He's a racist pig. End of! I hate how he is still in the media spotlight.
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Old 14-09-2009, 21:48
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The sex pistols were sh*te!!

He couldn't sing, none of the band could play- apparently, that was the whole point? Ok, great, but I prefer listening to people who can sing

They were just lucky to come along at a time when everyone was getting sick of 20 minute, prog rock songs.

All their songs were just shouty- 'what's the most outrageous thing I can say' sort of songs that teenagers liked playing to piss of their conservative parents.

That it's regarded as 'classic' amazes me! All the hype over the years has clearly made John Lydon think he's some sort of musical genius. I think it's funny he's still bitter about 80's music, because it wiped his band off the map
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Old 14-09-2009, 22:22
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At least he likes Country Life butter.
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Old 15-09-2009, 00:54
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He's a racist pig. End of! I hate how he is still in the media spotlight.
Racist?
Why?
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Old 15-09-2009, 01:44
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He's a racist pig. End of! I hate how he is still in the media spotlight.
Sorry but you know nothing.

Let's start with his autobiography. John Lydon titled his autobiography "No Irish, No Blacks, No Dogs" as a comment on the widely held prejudices held by a lot of English people while he was growing up. Being of Irish immigrant working class stock he often found himself being on the receiving end of this.

Then there is his long held interest in reggae / roots / dub music as was quite common among the punk fraternity on the North London squat scene. I can only presume you have never heard a PIL album for you to not know this.

Eeven with the Pistols he played gigs for the Anti-Nazi League. Yes. Really racist!

John Lydon: Arch media manipulator and self-perpetuating charicature? Definitely! Racist? Definitely not.
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Old 15-09-2009, 02:38
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I'm guessing from BlocFFC's username, they're referring to this incident.

http://drownedinsound.com/news/36957...ttack#r3696237

http://www.guardian.co.uk/music/2008...opandrock.race

It's funny actually, the above incident arose because Kele Okereke dared to ask about PiL (one of Bloc Party's obvious influences) and now a year later PiL have reformed.
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Old 15-09-2009, 07:30
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oh lord.... i see some of the young really have NO idea....

racist? pointless? nothing could be further from the truth and lydon is argubally second only to lennon in his influence on youth culture. (arguablly because he could be THE greatest individual influence on british music/youth culture... )

before spouting off, go do your homework.
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Old 15-09-2009, 07:40
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The sex pistols were sh*te!!

He couldn't sing, none of the band could play- apparently, that was the whole point? Ok, great, but I prefer listening to people who can sing

They were just lucky to come along at a time when everyone was getting sick of 20 minute, prog rock songs.

All their songs were just shouty- 'what's the most outrageous thing I can say' sort of songs that teenagers liked playing to piss of their conservative parents.

That it's regarded as 'classic' amazes me! All the hype over the years has clearly made John Lydon think he's some sort of musical genius. I think it's funny he's still bitter about 80's music, because it wiped his band off the map

of course they could play, and Lydon may have been shoutybut what delivery?
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Old 15-09-2009, 07:41
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At least he likes Country Life butter.
Those ads and his jaunt in the jungle for cash means Lydon can no longer slag anyone off for anything ever again.


Reforming PiL - He’s all about the "new" aint he?
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Old 15-09-2009, 13:41
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of course they could play, and Lydon may have been shoutybut what delivery?
They couldn't play and even admitted as much!
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Old 15-09-2009, 13:54
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The sex pistols were sh*te!!

He couldn't sing, none of the band could play- apparently, that was the whole point? Ok, great, but I prefer listening to people who can sing

They were just lucky to come along at a time when everyone was getting sick of 20 minute, prog rock songs.

All their songs were just shouty- 'what's the most outrageous thing I can say' sort of songs that teenagers liked playing to piss of their conservative parents.

That it's regarded as 'classic' amazes me! All the hype over the years has clearly made John Lydon think he's some sort of musical genius. I think it's funny he's still bitter about 80's music, because it wiped his band off the map
if you were a young teen in 1977 being told theres no future, no career, and the dole queue is all your gonna get upon leaving school youd be pretty angry, youd be angry that you were part of 'the lost generation' where adult politicians have let you down and the promises made throughout your school life were all a sham.

i was 20 in 1977, and punk gave us expression... after the brief, initial shock to youth culture that was the sex pistols, that was the catalyst for a whole new way of thinking, rejecting what had been done before hand, rejecting what the (racist, homophobic, sexist) adults world that was such a socio-political mess. we thought for ourselves and created what we wanted.

no ...punk was never meant to be musically sound, that wasnt the point, but it gave birth to many of the values we see today as my generation rejected the racist, sexist, homophobic culture that ruled britain.

the 80's wiped his band off the map? pil were going for 14 years, from 1978 to 1992, lydon went on to collaborate with other artists... pil being one of the most groundbreaking acts of the 80's... 'never mind the bollocks' is regarded as a classic because of what it spawned, punk, new wave, two tone, goth, indie, new romantics.... erm, id say thats a pretty hefty weight borne by 1 album!
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Old 15-09-2009, 14:16
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if you were a young teen in 1977 being told theres no future, no career, and the dole queue is all your gonna get upon leaving school youd be pretty angry, youd be angry that you were part of 'the lost generation' where adult politicians have let you down and the promises made throughout your school life were all a sham.

i was 20 in 1977, and punk gave us expression... after the brief, initial shock to youth culture that was the sex pistols, that was the catalyst for a whole new way of thinking, rejecting what had been done before hand, rejecting what the (racist, homophobic, sexist) adults world that was such a socio-political mess. we thought for ourselves and created what we wanted.

no ...punk was never meant to be musically sound, that wasnt the point, but it gave birth to many of the values we see today as my generation rejected the racist, sexist, homophobic culture that ruled britain.

the 80's wiped his band off the map? pil were going for 14 years, from 1978 to 1992, lydon went on to collaborate with other artists... pil being one of the most groundbreaking acts of the 80's... 'never mind the bollocks' is regarded as a classic because of what it spawned, punk, new wave, two tone, goth, indie, new romantics.... erm, id say thats a pretty hefty weight borne by 1 album!
Sounds like 2009

And like I said, I can understand why people liked them because of what was happening at the time- people were bored with prog, politicians- kids are always angry, so the sex pistols filled a gap in the market.

It doesn't change the fact that I think they were pretty talentless and just relied on being angrier than other better bands of the time. The Ramones were better, the Clash were better. At least they could play, and I'm not a fan of those either.

I already said, I knew that being good musicians wasn't the point- I already know the point and explained it- doesn't change the fact that when I listen to them, I just hear a load of shouty garbage set to some badly played, out of tune guitars.

And yes, I think punk was killed off in the 80's. And there's no way "never mind the bollocks" spawned all those musical genres you mentioned. Even if it did, Lydon just criticized the 80's for being “God awful and sh*te”, so he obviously thinks his talentless crappy band were superior
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Old 15-09-2009, 14:35
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If the future of british music is The XX god help us all.

Lydon does bring up some true fact nobody cared very much about Jazz music when Jive came along.

And I feel UK musicans and new talent come out less in touch with fans.But we can't blame them it seem we have wen't back to the 80's too look for good music and it not their anymore.

It's like british music has no clue about it future anymore.

But again Lydon band was not very good back then.

I would put on The Clash more than his work.
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Old 15-09-2009, 14:47
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The sex pistols were sh*te!!

He couldn't sing, none of the band could play- apparently, that was the whole point? Ok, great, but I prefer listening to people who can sing

They were just lucky to come along at a time when everyone was getting sick of 20 minute, prog rock songs.

All their songs were just shouty- 'what's the most outrageous thing I can say' sort of songs that teenagers liked playing to piss of their conservative parents.

That it's regarded as 'classic' amazes me! All the hype over the years has clearly made John Lydon think he's some sort of musical genius. I think it's funny he's still bitter about 80's music, because it wiped his band off the map
Wow, seems you really aren't very well informed on the Sex Pistols.

- They could play and play very well. They couldn't when they started the band but by the end Steve and Paul were both good musicians.

- Lucky because people where bored of prog? Rubbish. If that was the only reason that they made it then why do people continue to buy Never Mind The Bollocks today? Surely if it was one of those albums that was of it's time then it would've been forgotten about and it wouldn't continually pop up in the greatest and most influential album lists.

- All the songs were 'whats the most outrageous thing'. Go and listen to the album, yes a couple of the songs are a bit controversial but the majority aren't.

- Oh and the 80's didn't wipe the Pistols off the map. They split up 2 years before the 80's even begun. Just a quick look at Never Mind The Bollocks on wikipedia will show you that in '83 the NME voted it the 13th greatest album of all time and in '87 Rolling Stone had it as the 2nd best album of the past 20 years. Not bad for a band that had been wiped out.
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Old 15-09-2009, 14:57
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Wow, seems you really aren't very well informed on the Sex Pistols.

- They could play and play very well. They couldn't when they started the band but by the end Steve and Paul were both good musicians.

- Lucky because people where bored of prog? Rubbish. If that was the only reason that they made it then why do people continue to buy Never Mind The Bollocks today? Surely if it was one of those albums that was of it's time then it would've been forgotten about and it wouldn't continually pop up in the greatest and most influential album lists.

- All the songs were 'whats the most outrageous thing'. Go and listen to the album, yes a couple of the songs are a bit controversial but the majority aren't.

- Oh and the 80's didn't wipe the Pistols off the map. They split up 2 years before the 80's even begun. Just a quick look at Never Mind The Bollocks on wikipedia will show you that in '83 the NME voted it the 13th greatest album of all time and in '87 Rolling Stone had it as the 2nd best album of the past 20 years. Not bad for a band that had been wiped out.
Not well informed?! Surely it's a matter of opinion? Music is subjective. And I'm definitely not the only one who doesn't consider them good musicians. Even the band and many of their fans will admit as much!

Also, I gave more than just the prog reason. If you read my posts properly, you'd see that.

And I'm not interested that NME or rolling stone liked them, I have my own opinion on them as a band. It might not be one you happen to agree with, but believe it or not, there are people out there who think the sex pistols are cack and find speeches like this from Lydon a tad embarrassing
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Old 15-09-2009, 15:04
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Sounds like 2009


And yes, I think punk was killed off in the 80's. And there's no way "never mind the bollocks" spawned all those musical genres you mentioned. Even if it did, Lydon just criticized the 80's for being “God awful and sh*te”, so he obviously thinks his talentless crappy band were superior
well not so much the album itself, but that was the reprisentation of punk, that album kicked it off it was punk itself that DID give rise to those genres, id suggest it can be traced back directly to the pistols who were the catalyst for the punk explosion.

a figurehead was needed and lydon was it.

yes the clash were technically better musicians, so? they were also heavily influencial but were the 'stones' to the pistols 'beatles'.

ramones?.... i never did 'get' why they are so rated highly... they might have been one of the first acts to use 'punk' sounds but without the anger we had in the uk it was just.... dead.

public image ltd WAS superior to most acts of the 80's.... because when music was dumbing down pil were still trying to cut new ground... try new techniques, or have you overlooked the fact that lydons band was pil far more then the sex pistols... besides, many great bands didnt last long.. doesnt make then any the less good.
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Old 15-09-2009, 15:09
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Not well informed?! Surely it's a matter of opinion? Music is subjective. And I'm definitely not the only one who doesn't consider them good musicians. Even the band and many of their fans will admit as much!

Also, I gave more than just the prog reason. If you read my posts properly, you'd see that.

And I'm not interested that NME or rolling stone liked them, I have my own opinion on them as a band. It might not be one you happen to agree with, but believe it or not, there are people out there who think the sex pistols are cack and find speeches like this from Lydon a tad embarrassing
... true, but tbh you seem to be overlooking what lydon has stood for for 30 plus years... free thinking, do it yourself, why not?... it was that attitude that my generation adopted and why 1977-1983 was such a rich time for quality music, changing attitudes and progress from the dreary 70's.

it matters not whether you LIKE the pistols music, but the acheivements and legacy lydon/punk has left us is ENOURMOUS.
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Old 15-09-2009, 15:21
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Lydon is someone who is true to his word and not a hypocrite. The Pistols have had more influence on modern music than the Beatles. 'Nuff said.
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Old 15-09-2009, 15:32
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well not so much the album itself, but that was the reprisentation of punk, that album kicked it off it was punk itself that DID give rise to those genres, id suggest it can be traced back directly to the pistols who were the catalyst for the punk explosion.

a figurehead was needed and lydon was it.

yes the clash were technically better musicians, so? they were also heavily influencial but were the 'stones' to the pistols 'beatles'.

ramones?.... i never did 'get' why they are so rated highly... they might have been one of the first acts to use 'punk' sounds but without the anger we had in the uk it was just.... dead.

public image ltd WAS superior to most acts of the 80's.... because when music was dumbing down pil were still trying to cut new ground... try new techniques, or have you overlooked the fact that lydons band was pil far more then the sex pistols... besides, many great bands didnt last long.. doesnt make then any the less good.
That the sex pistols started punk is a different debate- still, I don't think they did. I'd consider Patti Smith and Iggy Pop forerunners.

All the other things you mentioned are just opinion. At the end of the day, it just boils down to you liking the sex pistols and me not liking them
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Old 15-09-2009, 15:37
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The Pistols have had more influence on modern music than the Beatles. 'Nuff said.
Ouch! Looking at modern music, I think Lydon should keep schtum

(surely I am not the only one who sees the irony in Lydon attacking modern music and then his fans saying how much of it he influenced)
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Old 15-09-2009, 15:44
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Lydon has zero credibility. He is to current music what John Sergeant is to dancing. And both were on reality shows and *both* quit because they arrogantly believed they'd win.

He should stick to doing this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8hzQsvxtLTM

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