That's OK Sid. BTW is anyone else having strange things happen with their post count? I have been checking a few threads for answers and seen my posts listed as 48, 50 and 52 on different ones. How on earth can that happen?
Pro dance or dance off?
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Originally Posted by -Sid-:
“ The judges scores and public vote used to contribute 50% each to the outcome.
Now, the judges have a greater say. They are doing the manipulating, not the voters.”
“ The judges scores and public vote used to contribute 50% each to the outcome.
Now, the judges have a greater say. They are doing the manipulating, not the voters.”
Depends on your definition of manipulating. The public are supposed to vote for their favourite dancer. Instead, most of them will vote more for someone they like who is perceived as "in danger" over their favourite, if their favourite is in the top two positions or so. God knows I do.
This is exactly the same as the judges. And the public have the advantage of making their move after the judges have made theirs. In this I'd say it's fairly even. Nobody outside of the public's top 3 has ever won - likewise nobody outside the judges top 3 has.
Star - I'm far too unobservant to have noticed if that is indeed happening with me 
Monkseal, mate, we'll have to agree to disagree on this one, sorry
Monkseal, mate, we'll have to agree to disagree on this one, sorry
Originally Posted by -Sid-:
“Star - I'm far too unobservant to have noticed if that is indeed happening with me
Monkseal, mate, we'll have to agree to disagree on this one, sorry”
“Star - I'm far too unobservant to have noticed if that is indeed happening with me
Monkseal, mate, we'll have to agree to disagree on this one, sorry
”
DAMNIT!
Originally Posted by -Sid-:
“In my opinion, the only couples that deserve to stay are the ones that the public connect with and feel passionate enough about that they will pick up their phones and spend money voting for them.
It doesn't matter how good or bad they are.
The judge's scoreboard assists the better dancers. If they still can't escape the dance-off, you have to question whether they should still be there as the public clearly don't want to see them as much as some of the others.
I know that's a controversial point of view, but why bother having a public vote if the judges are going to manipulate the outcome anyway?”
“In my opinion, the only couples that deserve to stay are the ones that the public connect with and feel passionate enough about that they will pick up their phones and spend money voting for them.
It doesn't matter how good or bad they are.
The judge's scoreboard assists the better dancers. If they still can't escape the dance-off, you have to question whether they should still be there as the public clearly don't want to see them as much as some of the others.
I know that's a controversial point of view, but why bother having a public vote if the judges are going to manipulate the outcome anyway?”
While I see what you're saying, the dance off is very important in the first few weeks. We could have lost Jodie, Letitia and Heather before getting to know them if there was just a public vote.
Maybe a dance off for the first few weeks to allow people to get to know the couples would be the best solution.
Originally Posted by Strictly_Irish:
“While I see what you're saying, the dance off is very important in the first few weeks. We could have lost Jodie, Letitia and Heather before getting to know them if there was just a public vote.
Maybe a dance off for the first few weeks to allow people to get to know the couples would be the best solution.”
“While I see what you're saying, the dance off is very important in the first few weeks. We could have lost Jodie, Letitia and Heather before getting to know them if there was just a public vote.
Maybe a dance off for the first few weeks to allow people to get to know the couples would be the best solution.”
I preferred your post 29 SI
Originally Posted by Strictly_Irish:
“While I see what you're saying, the dance off is very important in the first few weeks. We could have lost Jodie, Letitia and Heather before getting to know them if there was just a public vote.
Maybe a dance off for the first few weeks to allow people to get to know the couples would be the best solution.”
“While I see what you're saying, the dance off is very important in the first few weeks. We could have lost Jodie, Letitia and Heather before getting to know them if there was just a public vote.
Maybe a dance off for the first few weeks to allow people to get to know the couples would be the best solution.”
But we don't know they wouldn't have been the couple in the bottom 2 to be saved anyway.
And by the same token you could say that Stephanie, Gillian and Gary had their chance to progress and improve to the best of their ability taken away from them if they were the more popular with the public.
Originally Posted by *stargazer*:
“That's OK Sid. BTW is anyone else having strange things happen with their post count? I have been checking a few threads for answers and seen my posts listed as 48, 50 and 52 on different ones. How on earth can that happen?”
“That's OK Sid. BTW is anyone else having strange things happen with their post count? I have been checking a few threads for answers and seen my posts listed as 48, 50 and 52 on different ones. How on earth can that happen?”
I think its always been a bit wierd like that.
Originally Posted by -Sid-:
“I preferred your post 29 SI”
“I preferred your post 29 SI
”
I'm clumsy.
I just love the dance off because it has saved some of my favourites. The only time I really hated it was when Gethin left in the semis!
Oh, also, when Lisa kept getting saved over better dancers.
Originally Posted by mindyann:
“But we don't know they wouldn't have been the couple in the bottom 2 to be saved anyway.
And by the same token you could say that Stephanie, Gillian and Gary had their chance to progress and improve to the best of their ability taken away from them if they were the more popular with the public.”
“But we don't know they wouldn't have been the couple in the bottom 2 to be saved anyway.
And by the same token you could say that Stephanie, Gillian and Gary had their chance to progress and improve to the best of their ability taken away from them if they were the more popular with the public.”
As much as I grew to like Letitia and Darren's partnership, losing Stephanie Beacham week one was a travesty
She was such a character. Her and Vincent would have given us many laughs and some great ballroom numbers I'm sure.
Originally Posted by mintchocchip:
“ I think its always been a bit wierd like that.”
“
I think its always been a bit wierd like that.”
Phew - thanks. Thought I was going a bit bonkers!
Originally Posted by Strictly_Irish:
“I'm clumsy.
I just love the dance off because it has saved some of my favourites. The only time I really hated it was when Gethin left in the semis! Oh, also, when Lisa kept getting saved over better dancers.”
“I'm clumsy.
I just love the dance off because it has saved some of my favourites. The only time I really hated it was when Gethin left in the semis!
Oh, also, when Lisa kept getting saved over better dancers.”
I know and I was just teasing you
I think there are arguments for or against and our opinions will be swayed by whether the dance-off has worked in favour of or against our personal favourites.
Overall, the pros are outweighed by the cons for me though.
Originally Posted by -Sid-:
“As much as I grew to like Letitia and Darren's partnership, losing Stephanie Beacham week one was a travesty
She was such a character. Her and Vincent would have given us many laughs and some great ballroom numbers I'm sure.”
“As much as I grew to like Letitia and Darren's partnership, losing Stephanie Beacham week one was a travesty
She was such a character. Her and Vincent would have given us many laughs and some great ballroom numbers I'm sure.”
I was just relieved to see the back of that Vincent twerp.
*winds Sid up*
Originally Posted by Strictly_Irish:
“I was just relieved to see the back of that Vincent twerp.
*winds Sid up*”
“I was just relieved to see the back of that Vincent twerp.
*winds Sid up*”
Grrrr you're lucky we're on the same team this year missy!
Originally Posted by *stargazer*:
“Sid doesn't need winding up. He's the original Duracell Bunny!”
“Sid doesn't need winding up. He's the original Duracell Bunny!
”
That's right.
I just keep going and going
Pro dances every time.
Please get rid of the dance-off, such a pointless exercise just because the judges like the celeb doesn't mean the public should or will. The judges are 4 out of 12 million after all
Please get rid of the dance-off, such a pointless exercise just because the judges like the celeb doesn't mean the public should or will. The judges are 4 out of 12 million after all
Originally Posted by -Sid-:
“As much as I grew to like Letitia and Darren's partnership, losing Stephanie Beacham week one was a travesty
She was such a character. Her and Vincent would have given us many laughs and some great ballroom numbers I'm sure.”
“As much as I grew to like Letitia and Darren's partnership, losing Stephanie Beacham week one was a travesty
She was such a character. Her and Vincent would have given us many laughs and some great ballroom numbers I'm sure.”
Re. Stephanie - you've got to be joking ! Her heart wasn't in it and she hated the training, hence her relief when she was voted off. When people mention her name to Vincent it sets him off big time !
Originally Posted by -Sid-:
“Unfortunately, I think we are stuck with the dance off
I would suggest though that when it comes to performing two dances later in the series, couples who find themselves in the dance-off be asked to re-perform their weaker dance.
This will give them more scope for improvement, but more importantly, it will stop couples relying on one dance to get them through and will prevent us losing a couple that is better overall.”
“Unfortunately, I think we are stuck with the dance off
I would suggest though that when it comes to performing two dances later in the series, couples who find themselves in the dance-off be asked to re-perform their weaker dance.
This will give them more scope for improvement, but more importantly, it will stop couples relying on one dance to get them through and will prevent us losing a couple that is better overall.”
I'm glad someone else thinks the same way - I thought the whole point of the two-dance stage apart from the time filler aspect was to test couples in both disaplines so you couldn't get away with being good at one but not the other - the dance-off being totally negates that and enables someone (cough*Lisa Snowdon*) to get away with being good at just the one.
Originally Posted by katmobile:
“I'm glad someone else thinks the same way - I thought the whole point of the two-dance stage apart from the time filler aspect was to test couples in both disaplines so you couldn't get away with being good at one but not the other - the dance-off being totally negates that and enables someone (cough*Lisa Snowdon*) to get away with being good at just the one.”
“I'm glad someone else thinks the same way - I thought the whole point of the two-dance stage apart from the time filler aspect was to test couples in both disaplines so you couldn't get away with being good at one but not the other - the dance-off being totally negates that and enables someone (cough*Lisa Snowdon*) to get away with being good at just the one.”
If we have to have the dance off at all, I'd still like to see it removed when it gets down to the final 5 couples, which is generally when they go up to 2 marked dances a week.
By that time, in theory, the weaker dancers should have been weeded out - and if not then they are obviously popular enough with the public to be kept out of the bottom 2 on a weekly basis.
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