[betsvigi9]

http://www.digitalspy.co.uk/digitalt...t-bundles.html

At last! Hopefully BT will come up with some decent deals, just in time for when my renewal comes up.

[noise747]

This have been on the cards for a while, just have to wait now and see what Bt does. I hope they do deals for broadband and phone line and don't try to make things difficult if people don't want BT vision.

Sky have got this carzy thing that you must have Sky T.V to have their broadband, I know Sky main service is T.V, while Bt is phone and broadband, but you never know with Bt what they will do.

It would have to be one hell of a deal for me to stay with BT.

[Matterhorn]

BT are £20 mill in the hole.....

cheap deals?

no chance


'better' deals?

obviously..

[battlezone]

BT Vision is essentially a PAYG service. Let them give it to you. LIke us, if you don't use it, it doesn't cost you. Ours went back in the box and under the bed after 6 months through lack of use.

[noise747]

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Originally Posted by Matterhorn

BT are £20 mill in the hole.....

cheap deals?

no chance


'better' deals?

obviously..

Well they got to do something to keep customers, but I bet their better deals will be for people whose exchange is unbundled for Sky and people in places like our city will get very little.


It is once again the waiting game as it always is with Bt.

[spaceman05]

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Originally Posted by Matterhorn

BT are £20 mill in the hole.....

cheap deals?

no chance


'better' deals?

obviously..

here we go again

[the_sheepman]

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Originally Posted by Matterhorn

BT are £20 mill in the hole.....

cheap deals?

no chance


'better' deals?

obviously..

Don't you just love the way people have to moan at BT. They're a private company and like tins of beans in the supermarket, you buy them if you want and walk away if you don't.

Don't knock BT just cos they're a business. If you ran the company would you give everything away for free? No you wouldn't so don't expect BT to give stuff away either. Last I saw Sky and Virgin weren't exactly giving stuff away either!

[Matterhorn]

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Originally Posted by the_sheepman

Don't you just love the way people have to moan at BT. They're a private company and like tins of beans in the supermarket, you buy them if you want and walk away if you don't.

Don't knock BT just cos they're a business. If you ran the company would you give everything away for free? No you wouldn't so don't expect BT to give stuff away either. Last I saw Sky and Virgin weren't exactly giving stuff away either!

not sure if you are agreeing with me or not.

Yes they are a private company but have come from a heritage, very different to any other private company in this country.

I'm not knocking BT, I'm stating that although they are now allowed to offer discounted bundles they might not. A company with such horrendous liabilities and an equally horrendous balance sheet needs customers money more than ever.

BT has many issues of which it's pricing and overall lack of value are only 1 part.

[noise747]

They have to do something, certainly where Sky have unbundled the exchange for people who wants pay T.V and even for people who just want the internet, Talk Talk prices runs rings around Bt, if it is a good service or not is another thing.

In a Talk Talk area you are looking at About £18 a month and the cheapest BT can do is around £26 and you get half the data amount on Bt.


So Bt got to pull something out of the bag, the only problem is, 18 month contracts seems to be the norm these days and if BT is going to give people these offers you can bet they will stick them on a 18 month contract.


We will have to see what happens, they got about another 3 months to offer me something without a long contract.

[clpxm39]

BT gave me a discount on my BB and line rental (don't use BT Vision for VOD etc. just Freeview) just for asking when I phoned up about renewing my contract. They sent me a V2 hub and phone too for nothing.

[noise747]

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Originally Posted by clpxm39

BT gave me a discount on my BB and line rental (don't use BT Vision for VOD etc. just Freeview) just for asking when I phoned up about renewing my contract. They sent me a V2 hub and phone too for nothing.

They will do that to keep you, but how much depends on where you live, but it is different to offering bundles.

At the end of the day the whole point of bundles is to save money, sky gives you free broadband to get more people to sign up for Sky and i expect it have worked, but home much Sky is making out of it is another thing.

Talk Talk gives you free broadband when you sign up to their voice package, just a shame the company is a load of rubbish, worse than Bt.


Looking at it now, Bt have not really got a lot of competition in the bundle state. The tow main ones are Sky and Talk Talk and Tt don't offer T.V. I suppose Bt have to compete with Virgin as well.


Wait and see.

[clpxm39]

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Originally Posted by noise747

They will do that to keep you, but how much depends on where you live....

Yes, I was surprised to be offered anything as there's no Virgin here or unbundled Sky, O2 etc. (Hereford)

[noise747]

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Originally Posted by clpxm39

Yes, I was surprised to be offered anything as there's no Virgin here or unbundled Sky, O2 etc. (Hereford)

But we do have Talk Talk and also Orange have unbundled the exchange. a mate of mine had a fiver a month taken off his broadband on another 12 month contract. I think if they offered to take just a fiver off a month, then I would certainly look elsewhere. Cable and Wireless is also at the exchange and there are a couple of ISPs that uses that network, I am looking at.

I think my mate should have tried to get a new router and a free BT vision box, but then he did not like the Thompson PVr I lent him as it took a while to archive stuff,


If Sky unbundled our exchange I would certainly think about it as the saving would more than pay for my t.v licence forr the year.

It is just the long contracts that is getting to me, 12 months I could cope with (just), but now they all seem to want you to sign up for 18 months or more.

Not sure if I want to be stuck in a contract again.

[Young Turks]

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Originally Posted by noise747

They have to do something, certainly where Sky have unbundled the exchange for people who wants pay T.V and even for people who just want the internet, Talk Talk prices runs rings around Bt, if it is a good service or not is another thing.

I agree & disagree with you BT needs to offer much cheaper bundles regardless whether Sky have unbundled the exchange for people or not.

My exchange has not been unbudled but I still ditched BT because it was too expensive + I now get free international calls as well as free UK mobile calls at weekends and the usual free evening landline calls and end up paying half the cost of BT bill!

When you add BT Vision on the top of normal broadband and landline charges from BT it gets expensive.

Sky & Virgin heavily subsidize their broadband, phone & PVR bundle when bought together but try to buy it from BT the
the same equivalent, landline & unlimited 8mb broadband and PVR with BT's Tv package, you are talking about £55pm.

BT needs to heavily subsidize their broadband and/or TV package in order to compete with what other providers.

BT's starter Bronze TV pack + Landline + option 3 unlimited broadband, should not cost more than £35 but as soon as you want good unlimited broadband you have to buy ' the full house' and pay £55pm.

Well instead of paying BT £55 for all this, one can pay £10 extra and get full Sky package, 24/7 movie & sports channels as well as some HD channels.

So it is time BT heavily cut its prices!

[wwwebber]

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Originally Posted by Young Turks

I agree & disagree with you BT needs to offer much cheaper bundles regardless whether Sky have unbundled the exchange for people or not.

My exchange has not been unbudled but I still ditched BT because it was too expensive + I now get free international calls as well as free UK mobile calls at weekends and the usual free evening landline calls and end up paying half the cost of BT bill!

When you add BT Vision on the top of normal broadband and landline charges from BT it gets expensive.

Sky & Virgin heavily subsidize their broadband, phone & PVR bundle when bought together but try to buy it from BT the
the same equivalent, landline & unlimited 8mb broadband and PVR with BT's Tv package, you are talking about £55pm.

BT needs to heavily subsidize their broadband and/or TV package in order to compete with what other providers.

BT's starter Bronze TV pack + Landline + option 3 unlimited broadband, should not cost more than £35 but as soon as you want good unlimited broadband you have to buy ' the full house' and pay £55pm.

Well instead of paying BT £55 for all this, one can pay £10 extra and get full Sky package, 24/7 movie & sports channels as well as some HD channels.

So it is time BT heavily cut its prices!

Yawn - more Sky flag waving from Sky owners

Sky is not an equivelent service to BTVision - until Sky can do VOD it never will be.

[Matterhorn]

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Originally Posted by wwwebber

Sky is not an equivelent service to BTVision - until Sky can do VOD it never will be.

Couldn't agree more..

and, until BT gets some VOD content that people actually want to watch Sky will continue to flourish and prosper.

Given their broadband userbase, the number of people with BTV is embarrassing for them. Lots and lots of BT customers have Sky TV...millions in fact!!

[Matterhorn]

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Originally Posted by Young Turks

I agree & disagree with you BT needs to offer much cheaper bundles regardless whether Sky have unbundled the exchange for people or not.

My exchange has not been unbudled but I still ditched BT because it was too expensive + I now get free international calls as well as free UK mobile calls at weekends and the usual free evening landline calls and end up paying half the cost of BT bill!

When you add BT Vision on the top of normal broadband and landline charges from BT it gets expensive.

Sky & Virgin heavily subsidize their broadband, phone & PVR bundle when bought together but try to buy it from BT the
the same equivalent, landline & unlimited 8mb broadband and PVR with BT's Tv package, you are talking about £55pm.

BT needs to heavily subsidize their broadband and/or TV package in order to compete with what other providers.

BT's starter Bronze TV pack + Landline + option 3 unlimited broadband, should not cost more than £35 but as soon as you want good unlimited broadband you have to buy ' the full house' and pay £55pm.

Well instead of paying BT £55 for all this, one can pay £10 extra and get full Sky package, 24/7 movie & sports channels as well as some HD channels.

So it is time BT heavily cut its prices!

spoke to BT exec office today...unrelated matter but.....

when asked about the possibility of a price cut for all/any BT products or services I was told that there is 'nothing in the pipeline' as far as he is aware.

[wwwebber]

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Originally Posted by Matterhorn

and, until BT gets some VOD content that people actually want to watch Sky will continue to flourish and prosper.

You mention facts and figures in one thread then let yourself down yet again by being economical with the truth.

[Matterhorn]

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Originally Posted by wwwebber

You mention facts and figures in one thread then let yourself down yet again by being economical with the truth.

fire away....


which part?

[samsung07]

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Originally Posted by Matterhorn

spoke to BT exec office today...unrelated matter but.....

when asked about the possibility of a price cut for all/any BT products or services I was told that there is 'nothing in the pipeline' as far as he is aware.

So you really think they are going to spill the beans to you before they announce it and then give their rivals advance notice.

Think someone has a misconception of their own grandeur.

Also have you ever thought that the exec office guy may also have to work within law on compliance with BT's undertakings i.e different parts of BT can't share certain information with other parts or divulge information.

[noise747]

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Originally Posted by Young Turks

I agree & disagree with you BT needs to offer much cheaper bundles regardless whether Sky have unbundled the exchange for people or not.

True, but it is the Sky unbundled prices that Bt will have to compete with.

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My exchange has not been unbudled but I still ditched BT because it was too expensive + I now get free international calls as well as free UK mobile calls at weekends and the usual free evening landline calls and end up paying half the cost of BT bill!

Depends who you are getting that with. BT could do better with the phone prices, but for what I use the phone for I can not get much better on home phone alone

The main reason I dumped BT years ago is because they padded my bills with calls I did not make and when I complained they did not want to know and the fact that their customer service for broadband was lousy.

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When you add BT Vision on the top of normal broadband and landline charges from BT it gets expensive.

It does, BT broadband is expensive compared to some and don't offer that good value. I know you get a router and a hub phone that gives you free evening and weekend calls, but to be honest for me the hub phone is a gimmick that most people will not even bother with.

most people have a landline package that gives them at least free evening and weekend calls, so why would they want a hub phone that does the same thing?

Yea I know some people do use the hub phone and it save them money, but very few do.

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Sky & Virgin heavily subsidize their broadband, phone & PVR bundle when bought together but try to buy it from BT the the same equivalent, landline & unlimited 8mb broadband and PVR with BT's Tv package, you are talking about £55pm.

But how long can they subsidise it for? Even Sky only got so much money?

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BT needs to heavily subsidize their broadband and/or TV package in order to compete with what other providers.

As I have already said they have to do something.

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BT's starter Bronze TV pack + Landline + option 3 unlimited broadband, should not cost more than £35 but as soon as you want good unlimited broadband you have to buy ' the full house' and pay £55pm.

Well instead of paying BT £55 for all this, one can pay £10 extra and get full Sky package, 24/7 movie & sports channels as well as some HD channels.

So it is time BT heavily cut its prices!

But there are some people who don't want anything to do with a Sky and will pay the high prices of BT, just so they don't have to pay Murdoch, even if he only owns a small bit of News corp and News corp have shares in sky, people will still have that reason not to have Sky.

The other thing is some people don't want a dish or can't have a dish, so apart from TUTV, BT vision may be the only choice they have.


I know a few people who would not touch Sky with a bargepole, even if it was given away.


I know a lot of people that have BT broadband and have sky and when asked why not get BT vision, it is because they don't think it offers the choice and it works out more expensive than the sky packages they have got as most of the people I know don't have movie or sport channels.

I do think Sky is expensive for what it offers, if I went for say one mix, I would be paying almost £18 a month for a few channels, the variety mix is ok, but it still don't offer much that I would be interested in. You add more mixes and it gets expensive and then you are paying for stuff you don't watch.,

I wonder how many people are paying for all mixes and yet maybe watch just a few channels?


sky value is better with broadband on a unbundled exchange. I would still have to pay £80 for the Sky+ box and connection.

BTvision would cost me £90 for the box, unless I went for one of the viewing packs, but I would not want a viewing pack, because I am not a sport person, I don't have kids and I don't like watching music videos. so the only thing I would be interested in is the T.v pack, but for that I would to pay for a box and then I think it is about £7 a month for just one pack, but looking at the T.v pack, it offers very little apart from urbbish like sex and the city. south park and Only Fools And Horses for goodness sake.

Even the nature stuff that I would be interested in is The blue planet, planet earth and Big Game Diaries. Hello, but have they not been on free t.V, at least some of Skys stuff have not been on free T.V the first time they are shown.

I think pay T.v is just one big con, you pay money per month to see something that will eventully come onto normal T.V or have already been on normal T.V.

People get sucked into it hook, line and sinker.

[Matterhorn]

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Originally Posted by samsung07

So you really think they are going to spill the beans to you before they announce it and then give their rivals advance notice.

Think someone has a misconception of their own grandeur.

Also have you ever thought that the exec office guy may also have to work within law on compliance with BT's undertakings i.e different parts of BT can't share certain information with other parts or divulge information.

If you re-read what I put I never quoted it as fact it was a direct excerpt from a conversation I had today, thats it.

It was put out there for what it's worth, I wouldn't think for a minute it was a definitive answer.

you need to comprehend what you read, NOT what you think it means.

[Young Turks]

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Originally Posted by wwwebber

Yawn - more Sky flag waving from Sky owners

Yawn - more BT defending from Vision owners. Maybe you need to check bundle prices from both companies to see that BT is more expensive than both Sky & Virgin.

I had BT broadband for 8-9 years so what you need to understand is that those, who have Sky, can also have some BT products therefore no one is waving any flag here, as a consumer we are just comparing the prices and whether you like it or not, BT cost more than others.

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Originally Posted by noise747

True, but it is the Sky unbundled prices that Bt will have to compete with.

I agree that's why I said BT must heavily cut its prices if they want to compete with other tv-broadband-phone providers.

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Originally Posted by noise747

Depends who you are getting that with. BT could do better with the phone prices, but for what I use the phone for I can not get much better on home phone alone

I am getting it from Post Office and I don't think BT could do better with phone prices than PO. I get free International calls as well as free calls to UK mobile phones.

Until BT can match this they can't do better.

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Originally Posted by noise747

BT broadband is expensive compared to some and don't offer that good value.

I agree that's why I dumped them.

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Originally Posted by noise747

But how long can they subsidise it for? Even Sky only got so much money?

Well as long as they keep their customers by offering subsidised broadband or tv packages they will be happy to do so as it means they can keep their customers. It is what BT should consider.

Cheaper broadband & Vision prices mean more customers.

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Originally Posted by noise747

But there are some people who don't want anything to do with a Sky and will pay the high prices of BT, just so they don't have to pay Murdoch, even if he only owns a small bit of News corp and News corp have shares in sky, people will still have that reason not to have Sky.

Well this is different then if people want to pay the high prices of BT to avoid Sky, it doesn't make BT any cheaper. It is down to people's personal choices however, as things stand, BT is more expensive.

You want to have BT Option 3 broadband with some TV packages then you are talking about £55pm which is more expensive than not just Sky but also Virgin.

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Originally Posted by noise747

I know a lot of people that have BT broadband and have sky and when asked why not get BT vision, it is because they don't think it offers the choice and it works out more expensive than the sky packages they have got as most of the people I know don't have movie or sport channels.

That's how I thought as well. I didn't think Vision offered the choice to justify its prices so I dumped BT, however, it doesn't mean Sky is always cheaper!

Sky is only cheaper if one's exchange is unbundled, my one is not, so I can't get cheaper broadband therefore I only have Sky TV package as long as they offer me the discounted prices.

When that ends I'll also dump Sky and use my Freeview PVR+DVR+Freesat HD box that are more than enough for my needs.

[samsung07]

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Originally Posted by Matterhorn

If you re-read what I put I never quoted it as fact it was a direct excerpt from a conversation I had today, thats it.

It was put out there for what it's worth, I wouldn't think for a minute it was a definitive answer.

you need to comprehend what you read, NOT what you think it means.

Or perhaps you ought to be clearer in what you write and if you had put the bit about it not being a definitive answer in your opinion then there would have been no doubt.

Lets just see what happens over the next few months on any bundles but I'm sure one thing that will be common is a long term commitment within the deal.

[spaceman05]

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Originally Posted by Matterhorn

Couldn't agree more..

and, until BT gets some VOD content that people actually want to watch Sky will continue to flourish and prosper.

Given their broadband userbase, the number of people with BTV is embarrassing for them. Lots and lots of BT customers have Sky TV...millions in fact!!

and has stated more than once there is plenty on the bt vision box to watch, i neva watch sky now, just vision, keeps me happy, and i am sure it does others