Onkyo TX-SR607 Upscaling

hybridtheory · 21-09-2009, 21:10

Hi

I'm looking at buying a Onkyo TX-SR607. Will it upscale the picture quality on the following to 1080i?

Non Virgin HD channels
Freesat/Freeview
Nintendo Wii

Thanks

Baz

Deacon1972 · 21-09-2009, 21:36

According to the specs the 607 will upscale to 1080p via HDMI.

It will do HDMI upscale to 1080i from component/composite video.

The V+ box upscales SD to 720p/1080i via HDMI depending on which setting used.

Pretty sure Freesat boxes upscale to 1080i.

Freeview boxes won't upscale unless they have HDMI.

The Onkyo should upscale Wii to 1080 via component -> HDMI.

You may find the V+ box does a better job than the Onkyo, or the Onkyo does a better job than the Freesat box - All you can do is try each box to find out which has the best scaler

hybridtheory · 21-09-2009, 21:41

Quote:

Originally Posted by Deacon1972

According to the specs the 607 will upscale to 1080p via HDMI.

It will do HDMI upscale to 1080i from component/composite video.

The V+ box upscales SD to 720p/1080i via HDMI depending on which setting used.

Pretty sure Freesat boxes upscale to 1080i.

Freeview boxes won't upscale unless they have HDMI.

The Onkyo should upscale Wii to 1080 via component -> HDMI.

You may find the V+ box does a better job than the Onkyo, or the Onkyo does a better job than the Freesat box - All you can do is try each box to find out which has the best scaler

Hi

The TV it will be connected to is a Panasonic V10 which has Freesat built in. Will the picture still be upscaled to 1080i even though its built in?

Baz

bobcar · 21-09-2009, 21:55

Quote:

Originally Posted by hybridtheory

Hi

The TV it will be connected to is a Panasonic V10 which has Freesat built in. Will the picture still be upscaled to 1080i even though its built in?

Baz

No but the TV will upscale Freesat itself (as will all TVs fed an SD signal whether internal or external). It won't go to 1080i though as it will de-interlace before upscaling - you wouldn't want it to go to 1080i and then be deinterlaced again.

You should realise that upscaling means fitting the input signal to the screen size, if the TV has more pixels than the input then the TV has to upscale, upscaling is NOT a magic process that improves the picture despite the marketing. Whether upscaling an image before it is input to the TV is better than letting the TV do it depends on whether the external device or the TV has the better upscaler.

Deacon1972 · 21-09-2009, 21:56

Quote:

Originally Posted by hybridtheory

Hi

The TV it will be connected to is a Panasonic V10 which has Freesat built in. Will the picture still be upscaled to 1080i even though its built in?

Baz

Yes - the TV will be doing the upscaling.

Aren't the V10's 1080p?

hybridtheory · 21-09-2009, 22:04

Quote:

Originally Posted by Deacon1972

Yes - the TV will be doing the upscaling.

Aren't the V10's 1080p?

Hi

Yeah the V10's r full HD 1080p, the Freesat doesnt look upscaled lol. If it was upscaled surely the picture quality would be as good as Virgin or Sky HD?

Baz

gomezz · 21-09-2009, 22:09

If it wasn't upscaled you would see the full picture in only a quarter of the screen.

bobcar · 21-09-2009, 22:12

Quote:

Originally Posted by hybridtheory

Hi

Yeah the V10's r full HD 1080p, the Freesat doesnt look upscaled lol. If it was upscaled surely the picture quality would be as good as Virgin or Sky HD?

Baz

No, as I said before don't believe the hype about upscaling.

If you spend thousands on an external video processor you will get very good results otherwise at the most you will get a small improvement over what your TV manages - it may even be worse. (Even with an expensive video processor it still depends a lot on the source material and a lot of satellite and Freeview stuff is poor to start with).

Deacon1972 · 21-09-2009, 22:15

Quote:

Originally Posted by hybridtheory

Hi

Yeah the V10's r full HD 1080p, the Freesat doesnt look upscaled lol. If it was upscaled surely the picture quality would be as good as Virgin or Sky HD?

Baz

The images will be upscaled, if they weren't you see a small picture in the middle of the screen.

As for trying a better scaler there's no way as the freesat unit is built in to the set.

Have you tried various user settings, it takes time to get the correct settings where you get the best out of the TV.

I thought Panasonic were supposed to give excellent PQ for SD, if not excellent very acceptable, something doesn't sound quite right.

bobcar · 21-09-2009, 22:21

Quote:

Originally Posted by Deacon1972

I thought Panasonic were supposed to give excellent PQ for SD, if not excellent very acceptable, something doesn't sound quite right.

Yes they do, right out of the box though they are usually set to "dynamic" or similar which is awful so it sounds as if some setting up is needed.

Baz if you go on AV forums there is almost certainly a thread devoted to your TV in which several posts will give recommended picture settings - what is best is what you judge it to be but they will give a good starting point.

hybridtheory · 21-09-2009, 22:45

Hi

I just assumed that if the amp upscaled to 1080i or 1080p the picture quality would be almost blu ray quality.

Baz

gomezz · 21-09-2009, 22:49

You can't magic more video detail out of thin air.

21-09-2009, 21:10	#1
hybridtheory Forum Member Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Antrim, Northern Ireland Posts: 744	Onkyo TX-SR607 Upscaling Hi I'm looking at buying a Onkyo TX-SR607. Will it upscale the picture quality on the following to 1080i? Non Virgin HD channels Freesat/Freeview Nintendo Wii Thanks Baz

21-09-2009, 21:36	#2
Deacon1972 Guest Join Date: Feb 2008 Posts: 8,103	According to the specs the 607 will upscale to 1080p via HDMI. It will do HDMI upscale to 1080i from component/composite video. The V+ box upscales SD to 720p/1080i via HDMI depending on which setting used. Pretty sure Freesat boxes upscale to 1080i. Freeview boxes won't upscale unless they have HDMI. The Onkyo should upscale Wii to 1080 via component -> HDMI. You may find the V+ box does a better job than the Onkyo, or the Onkyo does a better job than the Freesat box - All you can do is try each box to find out which has the best scaler

21-09-2009, 21:41	#3
hybridtheory Forum Member Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Antrim, Northern Ireland Posts: 744	Quote: Originally Posted by Deacon1972 According to the specs the 607 will upscale to 1080p via HDMI. It will do HDMI upscale to 1080i from component/composite video. The V+ box upscales SD to 720p/1080i via HDMI depending on which setting used. Pretty sure Freesat boxes upscale to 1080i. Freeview boxes won't upscale unless they have HDMI. The Onkyo should upscale Wii to 1080 via component -> HDMI. You may find the V+ box does a better job than the Onkyo, or the Onkyo does a better job than the Freesat box - All you can do is try each box to find out which has the best scaler Hi The TV it will be connected to is a Panasonic V10 which has Freesat built in. Will the picture still be upscaled to 1080i even though its built in? Baz

21-09-2009, 21:55	#4
bobcar Forum Member Join Date: Sep 2004 Posts: 14,718	Quote: Originally Posted by hybridtheory Hi The TV it will be connected to is a Panasonic V10 which has Freesat built in. Will the picture still be upscaled to 1080i even though its built in? Baz No but the TV will upscale Freesat itself (as will all TVs fed an SD signal whether internal or external). It won't go to 1080i though as it will de-interlace before upscaling - you wouldn't want it to go to 1080i and then be deinterlaced again. You should realise that upscaling means fitting the input signal to the screen size, if the TV has more pixels than the input then the TV has to upscale, upscaling is NOT a magic process that improves the picture despite the marketing. Whether upscaling an image before it is input to the TV is better than letting the TV do it depends on whether the external device or the TV has the better upscaler.

21-09-2009, 21:56	#5
Deacon1972 Guest Join Date: Feb 2008 Posts: 8,103	Quote: Originally Posted by hybridtheory Hi The TV it will be connected to is a Panasonic V10 which has Freesat built in. Will the picture still be upscaled to 1080i even though its built in? Baz Yes - the TV will be doing the upscaling. Aren't the V10's 1080p?

21-09-2009, 22:04	#6
hybridtheory Forum Member Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Antrim, Northern Ireland Posts: 744	Quote: Originally Posted by Deacon1972 Yes - the TV will be doing the upscaling. Aren't the V10's 1080p? Hi Yeah the V10's r full HD 1080p, the Freesat doesnt look upscaled lol. If it was upscaled surely the picture quality would be as good as Virgin or Sky HD? Baz

21-09-2009, 22:09	#7
gomezz Forum Member Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Buckingham Posts: 28,590	If it wasn't upscaled you would see the full picture in only a quarter of the screen.

21-09-2009, 22:12	#8
bobcar Forum Member Join Date: Sep 2004 Posts: 14,718	Quote: Originally Posted by hybridtheory Hi Yeah the V10's r full HD 1080p, the Freesat doesnt look upscaled lol. If it was upscaled surely the picture quality would be as good as Virgin or Sky HD? Baz No, as I said before don't believe the hype about upscaling. If you spend thousands on an external video processor you will get very good results otherwise at the most you will get a small improvement over what your TV manages - it may even be worse. (Even with an expensive video processor it still depends a lot on the source material and a lot of satellite and Freeview stuff is poor to start with).

21-09-2009, 22:15	#9
Deacon1972 Guest Join Date: Feb 2008 Posts: 8,103	Quote: Originally Posted by hybridtheory Hi Yeah the V10's r full HD 1080p, the Freesat doesnt look upscaled lol. If it was upscaled surely the picture quality would be as good as Virgin or Sky HD? Baz The images will be upscaled, if they weren't you see a small picture in the middle of the screen. As for trying a better scaler there's no way as the freesat unit is built in to the set. Have you tried various user settings, it takes time to get the correct settings where you get the best out of the TV. I thought Panasonic were supposed to give excellent PQ for SD, if not excellent very acceptable, something doesn't sound quite right.

21-09-2009, 22:21	#10
bobcar Forum Member Join Date: Sep 2004 Posts: 14,718	Quote: Originally Posted by Deacon1972 I thought Panasonic were supposed to give excellent PQ for SD, if not excellent very acceptable, something doesn't sound quite right. Yes they do, right out of the box though they are usually set to "dynamic" or similar which is awful so it sounds as if some setting up is needed. Baz if you go on AV forums there is almost certainly a thread devoted to your TV in which several posts will give recommended picture settings - what is best is what you judge it to be but they will give a good starting point.

21-09-2009, 22:45	#11
hybridtheory Forum Member Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Antrim, Northern Ireland Posts: 744	Hi I just assumed that if the amp upscaled to 1080i or 1080p the picture quality would be almost blu ray quality. Baz

21-09-2009, 22:49	#12
gomezz Forum Member Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Buckingham Posts: 28,590	You can't magic more video detail out of thin air.

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