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Justin Lee Collins on Bruce
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mossy2103
23-09-2009
Originally Posted by allyfree:
“In the clip, JLC was extremely open and honest about his personal experience of "Doddery-he-most certainly-is" (my opinion, btw); not bitter or twisted in any way. He was full of admiration, respectful and polite towards him, whilst merely stating his opinion that perhaps this type of show was too challenging for him nowadays .....”

I do wonder what his motivation is though - if you as a showbiz entertainer feels that someone should step aside, you certainly don't do it in a public interview which is guaranteed to humiliate or annoy. Maybe he had motives driven by other things, maybe he was ill-advised. Whatever the reason, he has not conducted himself in a manner that I would have expected.
mossy2103
23-09-2009
Originally Posted by feisty:
“Hmm...none of his business??...”

To right - he is not connected with the BBC, with SCD or any part of the production team. It was absolutely none of his business.
Quote:
“Why shouldn't he be allowed to air his opinion? You have aired your opinion on JLC and nobody has objected?”

I am not

a) In the public eye

b) Well known

b) Being quoted by name on a major news site

c) In the showbiz world


Quote:
“....I can't see the difference...”

Well I can, as noted above.
allyfree
23-09-2009
Originally Posted by mossy2103:
“I do wonder what his motivation is though - if you as a showbiz entertainer feels that someone should step aside, you certainly don't do it in a public interview which is guaranteed to humiliate or annoy. Maybe he had motives driven by other things, maybe he was ill-advised. Whatever the reason, he has not conducted himself in a manner that I would have expected.”

Well, as it was obviously a BBC interview from the logo, I'm quite sure he was asked something which made his response relevant.

Having been an excellent host for "SCD on 3" from series 1, he was doubtless asked to comment on the new series and I stand by my thoughts that if you listen to what he actually says about BF, I think he was very polite and restrained
mossy2103
23-09-2009
Originally Posted by TMLS313:
“How is it "none of [his] business" to recount something that he personally experienced? He was asked a question and he answered it, and gave his opinions as a fan of the show based on his own experience. If such a thing shouldn't be done, let's remove this entire message board then; clearly it's none of OUR business what's going on, either.”

See my reply above, especially the comments regarding showbiz people/in the public eye (which is rather different from anonymous and ultimately inconsequential forum postings from relatively small groups of people).

And yes, my view might not be seen as popular, nor might it be seen as going with the flow, but it is my view as to the situation. I don't feel that I should keep quiet just because that view might be unpopular with the majority.

I'm not going to get involved in any fractious discussions/arguments over this either.
TMLS313
23-09-2009
In that case, just read allyfree's post above that last reply of yours - that says all that needs to be said on why comment on SCD; and I'll throw back at you the keeping quiet because it might not be popular with the majority; why should JLC similarly keep quiet just because he's in the public eye? If anything, that adds credence to his views.

A question's asked, he answers it honestly. That shouldn't be discouraged, whoever it is and whatever it's about.
loulabelle44
23-09-2009
Originally Posted by mossy2103:
“I do wonder what his motivation is though - if you as a showbiz entertainer feels that someone should step aside, you certainly don't do it in a public interview which is guaranteed to humiliate or annoy. Maybe he had motives driven by other things, maybe he was ill-advised. Whatever the reason, he has not conducted himself in a manner that I would have expected.”

I don't agree with your arguments, I totally think any of us, including celebrities, are entitled to voice our opinions - and this one was based on HIS OWN EXPERIENCE.

But in terms of JLC's 'motivation', I think he interviewer was asking about comments JLC must have made in his autobiography, which is out this week in all good bookstores.
clayton_st
23-09-2009
Whether or not he was rude to Sergeant John is irrelevant IMO but as far as I am concerned this should definitely be the last series for Brucie Wuucie.
He used to be a reasonable game show presenter but he is getting past it now, as everybody does eventually.
He still thinks it's his show and insists on these fatuous gags with every intro he does, and then even more embarassingly, has to comment on the audience reaction to these tiresome remarks.
I'm afraid tempus has fugit as far as Bruce's SCD days are concerned.
Have a happy retirement Mr Forsyth.
kengarth
23-09-2009
Can we not agree that it is time that poor old Brucie was put out to grass? I watched him 50 years ago, and his humour was contrived then. I cringe at enforced audience participation and feel for the wretched studio audience having to dutifully applaud his 'gags'.
lakes
23-09-2009
Originally Posted by SCD-Observer:
“He's speaking from his personal experience, and obviously it's a personal experience, and I am sure others have good experience with Bruce in the show.

I don't see it's 'none of his business' at all.”

not many, i know lots that have been on tounds of golf with him, most have said never again.

even ronnie corbett says Bruce can be very hard work.
JackW
23-09-2009
Originally Posted by sjmleicester:
“Bruce Forsyth has got more talent in his little finger that that hairy oath Justin Lee Collins.

Bruce is a showman with real talent with many decades in the business. While he presented The Generation Game, Bruce always had a reputation for being slightly rude / dismissive to contestants when not on camera.
It was what later partly endeared Larry Grayson to contestants and audience becaue he was so good with people and 'geniuene' all the time.

You can hardly blame Bruce, having to do inane quiz shows, dealing with ignorant / thick contestants and having to dumb down to their level. I bet he couldn't wait to get out of the studio after each recording.

Justin Lee Collins is just a very average baffoon. The Friday /Sunday night project only worked and, was entertaining because of Alan Carr. I'm amazed Justin got his own series on Sky. Speaking out like that is just incredibly rude and ageist, just like that overpaid very average talented Jonathan Ross.

Perhaps one day when Brucie has had enough, they can stick the wonderful Terry Wogan on to present Strictly but in the meantime let ole Brucie carry on in his own eclectic way.”

Here! Here!! Very well said!! Flamin' JLC!
pierre_gustave
23-09-2009
What is a baffooon?
VikkiKaplinsky2
23-09-2009
God, JLC speaks so much sense, as always. The man is such a legend. I've never liked Bruce. I've always thought the niceness was fake. I find both him and Tess very fake.

I also thought when he told Rav and Aliona to "Shove off!" after the result on Saturday was incredibly rude, who the hell does he think he is?!
Ficklepickle
23-09-2009
Originally Posted by pierre_gustave:
“What is a baffooon?”

I'm guessing they meant a "buffoon" - i.e. a jester, a clown?
MadonnaMIX
23-09-2009
There is no doubt Brucie is a great talent but his jokes on the show are just not funny either he should get himself some new joke's or make this his last series of SCD
tom green
23-09-2009
Originally Posted by Ewaawoowaa:
“I can believe it. Bruce was incredibly rude to John Sargeant in the final.”

I just remembered that now, God he was so rude to John that night.
Gooby
23-09-2009
Originally Posted by mossy2103:
“To right - he is not connected with the BBC, with SCD or any part of the production team. It was absolutely none of his business.
.”

Hmm - didn't he used to present It Takes Two? In which case he has worked with Bruce, worked on Strictly and in another show he learnt ballroom dancing.
If he isn't qualified to have an opinion then who is!

Why is Bruce a British institution? He presented a few game shows and....

Strictly is way bigger than Bruce and if Bruce did step down then the show would probably be a lot better. I would rather see more about the training etc than waste 2 minutes before each dance listening to another rubbish joke.
welwynrose
23-09-2009
Originally Posted by kengarth:
“Can we not agree that it is time that poor old Brucie was put out to grass? I watched him 50 years ago, and his humour was contrived then. I cringe at enforced audience participation and feel for the wretched studio audience having to dutifully applaud his 'gags'.”

I agree it is time he was put out to grass
clayton_st
23-09-2009
Here,here?
Where,where?

It's hear,hear.
BuddyBontheNet
23-09-2009
I like them both, but JLC is the one with a book to sell and was replaced by Claudia on ITT.
tom green
23-09-2009
Justin presented strictly come dancing on three, which aired weeknights and it also aired after the saturday night BBC1 show during series one [spring/early summer2004]. It was the precussor to it takes two which replaced it in series two[autumn 2004].
pickledgherkin
23-09-2009
Originally Posted by pierre_gustave:
“What is a baffooon?”


The word is, "Buffoon". just a typo I expect.
-Sid-
23-09-2009
Originally Posted by The_abbott:
“Bruce also said "Shove off" to one couple on Saturday. Can't remember who it was now.”

That was to Aliona and Rav at the end, and yes it was quite rude.

But to be fair to Bruce, the show was running over so he was desperately short of time. He must have been quite stressed.

Overall, I think he has the right personality for the show. Warm, gentle and funny in his own way.

As for this issue about age. Why does young necessarily equate to being better? With age comes respectability and experience.
Lorelei Lee
23-09-2009
Originally Posted by pickledgherkin:
“The word is, "Buffoon". just a typo I expect.”

It's the 'hairy oath' part that really got me

I think JLC was pretty savvy - telling it like he saw it, but immediately admitting that what he was saying wouldn't be popular. That sounds to me like a shrewd bit of media manipulation, rather than an ill-advised attack.

When he gets Bruce's job, we'll know what was up
SCD-Observer
23-09-2009
Originally Posted by Lorelei Lee:
“It's the 'hairy oath' part that really got me

I think JLC was pretty savvy - telling it like he saw it, but immediately admitting that what he was saying wouldn't be popular. That sounds to me like a shrewd bit of media manipulation, rather than an ill-advised attack.

When he gets Bruce's job, we'll know what was up ”

Nah. He will NEVER get Brucie's job. Thus the absolute honesty from him.
pierre_gustave
23-09-2009
Hairy oaf he may be.
At least Justin's hair is his own.
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