that did confuse me.

and then it made me LOL.

This is the problem with this board, it is full of music snobs. If your taste doesn't align with their perception of ''good music'' it's factually bad according to them.
Anything reality show based or in the top 40 is considered to crap, no matter wherther it might be good or not.
But what some people have to understand is everyone percieves things in their own unique and individual way. One person perception of may be it's cheesy or reminisent of an old 80's they dislike.
Another person may think this song has a really good beat and the chrous is catchy.
The thing is we all have different opinons, on different things due to our perception of things. Because one person opinion differs from another, doesn't mean that person is right or wrong. It just simply means they see things in a different way to the other person.
The same appilies to music.
Music is subjective wherther people like it or not. Yes there are some artists who are very talented and people should accept that - it doesn't mean people can't be critical of their music though.
Some people need to come to terms with the fact their opinion is not fact amd because they think a song is factually bad and determines someone tastes in music doesn't mean it's true.
I like the song I think it's a very catchy upbeat song. I think it's inaccurate and unfair to determine wherther someone has good or bad taste in music because you don't like a song they like.
People just need to peacefully agree to disagree and respect people's opinions music wise instead of coming out with statements that are quite patronisng and serve no purpose.

Oh here we go.. another one who thinks that just because I hate a song thats come off of X Factor I MUST be a music snob. I've said more than once on this board that I'm a fan of pop music, I'm not gonna repeat myself.

I just listened to it again to see if I changed my mind about it and it gets worse everytime

Completely agree. All these purist snobs are incredibly tiring. We get it - you don't like upbeat, cheesy stuff, you like dreary repetitive insomnia cures. Good for you.

I like this song. It has #1 written all over it and it's exactly what the current popular music market is lapping up at the moment so it's a perfect song.

I assume all of those who are accusing those who don't like it (because its a pile of bum gravy with a hideous message about men to young girls, with absolutely no musically redeeming features) of being music snobs won't mind if they are in turn referred to as music dunces in return? Any objections?

Oh come on there's a bit of music snob in all of us whether it be the purists, rockers, rappers, r n b fans or pop fans or any other genre.
Am sure we have all looked down our noses at one particular genre we don't like at some point. Thats the beauty of the music industry it caters to all tastes!

Go for it.

And surely these 'music dunces' wouldn't have the intelligence to recognise the "hideous message about men to young girls" anyway?

I don't look down my nose at it. I just dislike it, often vocally, but not in a 'what I like is so superior to what you like' way.

Some people simply can't express their dislike of something without resorting to desperately weak and inarticulate attacks on those that do like it.

I quite like the song.

I don't care if people judge my musical tastes based on that, hell I even owned a Vengaboys album once, I have no shame .

I listen to anything and everything, I try to be open minded these days musically, and there is so much out there to enjoy.

Music is art, and meaning and enjoyment of it are subjective.

If I put my iTunes on shuffle it'll go from something like Same Difference to Metallica, to Ryan Cabrera, to Mstislav Rostropovich to P!nk, to Death Cab for Cutie, to Michelle Branch, to Arash, to Rascal Flatts, to Fragma, to Marc Cohn, to Sister Sledge, to Keane, to Duffy..well you get the point..

I'm currently listening to Beverly Knight's latest album, I listen to music for my own enjoyment, I don't really care what anyone else thinks of my musical tastes.

There is a bit of a music snob in everyone. I'm a bit of a snob towards heavy metal, but I wouldn't start a thread insulting people who did like it.

No, but it is the fact that you then went on to criticize those who do like the song, and branding them as having bad taste which makes you come across as a complete music snob.

i know what you mean about the vengaboys but some of the remixes of their tracks were the best trance tune's i have ever heard

you might like this thankfully it bears no resemblance to the original http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bC-rsrTWC8A you tube sound quality doesnt do it justice

I think some already do....

May I direct you to this:-

At lot of people on this thread seem to have had a sense of humour bypass (as well as a musical tastes one…). This may come as a shock to you but the OP probably wasn't being entirely serious in that first post.

What we should be discussing is the serious waste of pixels that come from any response preaching 'dats just ur opinion every1s entitled 2 one just coz it dont match ur taste dont mean it aint gud,' stated in such a way that someone might think that this is some revolutionary, profound argument. We get it, OK? We’ve known it since primary school. Every post is accompanied by a unique ID, so we know it's an opinion by virtue of the fact that it is written by a given person. Have we cleared that up?

Why should someone else's opinion of a song you like bother you anyway? If this thread had been written about a song I happen to like I’d still find it funny and it wouldn’t butcher my enjoyment of it.

Anyway, in my opinion it's one thing to enjoy listening to this song, but it’s another thing to say that it’s good when it’s so tailored to suit the masses and make as much money as possible (easy to listen to, X Factor winner, mainstream rapper featured). I like a lot of such manufactured rubbish but I would never call it 'good' music. Good music should be a heartfelt expression of some sort (charts or no charts)… this is definitely not.

i happen to like all types and genres of music, whether it's commercial or not. just because i hate this song doesn't mean i don't like mainstream pop music, i actually like a lot of it. i don't usually like analysing these things from a critical point of view, i prefer to look at it by how much i enjoy it, even if critically it might be rubbish.

having said that, i do hate the idea of x factor in every way possible. and as it happens i have hated nearly every song from every artist that has come from that show. most of it has been soppy depressing ballads. Bad Boys is a departure from that, but to me it's still cheap, tacky and gimmicky. and i just hate how anyone from x factor can never do anything for themselves. as well as endless tv and radio promotion, they have to rely on Cowell giving them a live peformance on the show in front of 10+ million viewers to maximize sales. but he just does that for himself.

does a sentence such as "you like dreary repetitive insomnia cures" not smack of music snobbery too? either that, or foolish assumption.

assuming anyone who doesn't like the song in question must like the music you describe? wrong. and even if they do, so what?

its as viable a taste in music as whatever you want to categorize alexandra as.

^^ Agreed! The most annoying thing about X-Factor is how everyone who wins it insists on telling everyone ''how incredibly hard they have worked'', it's laughable. No you haven't, you've got up on a stage once a week for 2 minutes at a time to sing half heartedly over some crap karaoke track. After you win, you get £1m invested in you (oh the hardshsip) not as a validation of your talent, but as a validation of what the public has been voting for. You get chauffered around all over the world, lined up wih some of the *cough* best *cough* producers, have all your songs written for you, everything arranged and produced for you. The only work (if you can call it that) that has been put in is you laying down your vocals. It must be SOO strenuous ...

There are artists on the other hand who have to gig for most of the year just to earn a 'living' putting in hours and hours per week, writing all their own material, financing themselves and buying their own studio time, don't get ant exposure in the mainstream AT ALL because it's full up with tw*ats like La Roux saying how talented they are, and jus graft non stop. Some doing it for 10-15 years before hitting any kind of success - that is what you call hard work! Grafting, scrimping and saving for years just to achieve a minute fraction of what these x-factor stars get in about 8 weeks.

Much as I dislike the X Factor rubbish, I actually quite like it!

Not that I'm disputing everything you've said, but if it was as easy as just turning up to the studio, would Leon Jackson not still have a record contract?

Leon Jackson lacked any innate factors that complimented commercial success - it's not easy but it has nothing to do with how 'hard' you work.

I wasn't making a point about hard work, but pointing out there is more behind any potential success, than just turning up..

Almost everybody who wins X-Factor (with the exception of Leon Jackson) was a "gigging muscian". From Leona, to Alexandra Burke to Steve Brookstein, all of them grafted for years, playing pubs/weddings ect.

The idea that X-Factor winners are just a bunch of amateurs who have been doing this for 5 minutes, is false fantasy played out by Simon Cowell. For many muscians, X-Factor is the last option they have to get some sort of record deal, after years of toiling on the fringes of the industry. Leona Lewis made 2 demo albums before X-Factor. Alexandra sang in her mothers band as her day job....these girls were gigging muscians, like those you seem to hold in high esteem. The reason most people are good enough to win X-Factor in the first place, is because they have been working in the industry (Leon Jackson is the exception, and he is exactly why rank amateurs will struggle to last in the industry. He has some talent, but zero experience)

Leon got dropped because he was bad. he only won the show because half of Scotland voted for him. he of course got the usual easy winner's christmas no.1. then had an album made for him, performed the lead single on the live shows the next year, which then only got to no.3, despite the millions of viewers being exposed to it. it didn't sell much anyway, and the album then flopped too, and he got dropped. anyone could see that happening a mile off. x factor is a waste of time. they will never find someone 'amazing' or 'incredible'. just someone who can sing a few notes in tune, who will then have all their songs written and produced for them.