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Old 25-09-2009, 14:58
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Not that I'm disputing everything you've said, but if it was as easy as just turning up to the studio, would Leon Jackson not still have a record contract?
I'm not talking about lasting success, I'm specifically talking about when X-Factor wannabees do a hundred interviews and say ''I've been working my finger to the bone for 8 months to bring you this album, it's been such hard work'' when they quite obviously have not. All they have been doing is fitting their busy schedule (which includes lazing about in L.A. for months waiting for a certain producers to become available) around laying down vocals that have been written, arranged and produced by someone else safe in the knowledge that the 8 weeks of promotion they had on X-Factor will secure them at least a top ten album and single.

It's not hard work at all, it's instant success based on the fact that you have actually done jack sh*t but fob people off with some sob story and sang karaoke once a week to 10mil+ people.

The reason 99% of these cretins churned out from X-Factor fade away to nothing is because after the instant success, they don't actually do anything in the way of work, just rely on their stupid x-factor tag. Their work ethic is ''I'm that face from the telly you voted for, buy my records please''
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Old 25-09-2009, 15:03
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the vast majority of the x factor's viewers know nothing about music, so when Simon Cowell tells us he is looking to find someone 'amazing', most of the viewers are gullible enough to believe it.

the whole point of the show is to sell records for Syco - isn't it obvious how everyone from that show who has signed to them, whether they have won x factor or not (i.e. Rhydian, Same Difference) has been invited back to perform on the live shows since competing on the show? that's purely to sponge sales off the 10+ million viewers. they dress up the show as some serious 'talent competition' to try and cover that up.

they will never find anyone unique from that show. just look at Leona, she's probably the dullest singer i've ever seen. other people write and produce all her songs, she just stands and sings it, showing no personality or charisma. that's because all those awful 'judges' look for is someone who can sing a few notes in tune - as if that's all music is about.

think about it - who has been the biggest new global popstar this year? well, love her or hate her, we all know that's Lady Gaga. imagine if she had entered X factor - they would probably of said her voice 'wasn't strong enough'. it's about style, personality, creativity, putting on a show etc. Gaga has captured the world's attention with all of that, in her character, and her music, which she writes herself and is heavily involved in the production of, and her music videos speak for themselves. haters call her music 'average pop', but there is no arguing with her worldwide sales this year, no new artist has come anywhere near her. she has created her own unique style and image for herself, and that comes across in her music more than anyone. of course many hate her, but her success in such a short space of time is undeniable.

i'm just using Gaga as an example, there are many others, but what i'm saying is that x factor will never find anyone unique and innovative. they might find a few more middle-of-the-road singers and groups who will be manufactured into different styles by the record label, but never anyone who will be able to do things in their own style and be different to everyone else around. basically they are just puppets for Syco & Cowell.

i just hate what that show makes millions of people think the music industry is about, and how Cowell has monopolised the christmas no.1, and uses the live shows to sponge sales off the viewers for the show's singers (on his record label) who have new singles out - which will include Alexandra in a few weeks time when her new song is out. that's basically what x factor is - a vehicle for Cowell and Syco to sell records, dressed up as a talent competition.
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Old 25-09-2009, 15:08
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Lady Gaga is extremely derivative. Her music has been done before, she stole her look/style from Roisin Murphy and she's doing the whole attention whore routine that Madonna mastered 25 years ago. She's just repackaging stuff others did better.

Just because Gaga didn't come from a reality show, doesn't make her unique. She's highly unoriginal.

There are very few truly original acts anymore. Everyone is derivative to some extent.
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Old 25-09-2009, 15:11
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I'm not talking about lasting success, I'm specifically talking about when X-Factor wannabees do a hundred interviews and say ''I've been working my finger to the bone for 8 months to bring you this album, it's been such hard work'' when they quite obviously have not. All they have been doing is fitting their busy schedule (which includes lazing about in L.A. for months waiting for a certain producers to become available) around laying down vocals that have been written, arranged and produced by someone else safe in the knowledge that the 8 weeks of promotion they had on X-Factor will secure them at least a top ten album and single.

It's not hard work at all, it's instant success based on the fact that you have actually done jack sh*t but fob people off with some sob story and sang karaoke once a week to 10mil+ people.

The reason 99% of these cretins churned out from X-Factor fade away to nothing is because after the instant success, they don't actually do anything in the way of work, just rely on their stupid x-factor tag. Their work ethic is ''I'm that face from the telly you voted for, buy my records please''
If it's so easy, why don't you go on, instant success sounds quite good?
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Old 25-09-2009, 15:13
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If it's so easy, why don't you go on, instant success sounds quite good?
Yeah I fancy winning the lottery so I think I'll do that tomorrow night.
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Old 25-09-2009, 15:26
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Yeah I fancy winning the lottery so I think I'll do that tomorrow night.
Well winning the lottery isn't that easy, statistically speaking, but JoJo2 seems to think that winning the x-factor and the following work on releases is a breeze, hence my suggestion.
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Old 25-09-2009, 15:26
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I'm not talking about lasting success, I'm specifically talking about when X-Factor wannabees do a hundred interviews and say ''I've been working my finger to the bone for 8 months to bring you this album, it's been such hard work'' when they quite obviously have not. All they have been doing is fitting their busy schedule (which includes lazing about in L.A. for months waiting for a certain producers to become available) around laying down vocals that have been written, arranged and produced by someone else safe in the knowledge that the 8 weeks of promotion they had on X-Factor will secure them at least a top ten album and single.

It's not hard work at all, it's instant success based on the fact that you have actually done jack sh*t but fob people off with some sob story and sang karaoke once a week to 10mil+ people.

The reason 99% of these cretins churned out from X-Factor fade away to nothing is because after the instant success, they don't actually do anything in the way of work, just rely on their stupid x-factor tag. Their work ethic is ''I'm that face from the telly you voted for, buy my records please''
From following her on Twitter, it definitely seemed like she was being kept busy and spent most days in the studio, far more than I would have expected. And the rest of the time travelling or in meetings.

And if it was only based on doing jack sh*t and a sob story, you wouldn't have Steve Brookstein, Leon Jackson and Michelle McManus flopping. One thing that the show is often criticised for is that while it implies overnight success, someone who walks off the street and becomes a star, many are of the opinion that the finalists are usually invited to audition. So when Leona Lewis was on, they talked about her time spent as a Pizza waitress rather than the years spent trying to break into the music industry or the album that she had already made. The same applies to American Idol where the vast majority have some sort of experience.

I also don't know why you think that you know exactly how every single winner of a reality show thinks.

the vast majority of the x factor's viewers know nothing about music, so when Simon Cowell tells us he is looking to find someone 'amazing', most of the viewers are gullible enough to believe it.

the whole point of the show is to sell records for Syco - isn't it obvious how everyone from that show who has signed to them, whether they have won x factor or not (i.e. Rhydian, Same Difference) has been invited back to perform on the live shows since competing on the show? that's purely to sponge sales off the 10+ million viewers. they dress up the show as some serious 'talent competition' to try and cover that up.
There is no whole point of the show. Since the whole thing (Idol/X Factor) took off, ratings are now more important than record sales anyway.

Every act that appears on these shows is there to try and sponge sales off the 10 million viewers. It's promotion and it's fairly widespread. Some appear on the show and then the indie bands that wouldn't be invited criticise the show to grab some press.

they will never find anyone unique from that show. just look at Leona, she's probably the dullest singer i've ever seen. other people write and produce all her songs, she just stands and sings it, showing no personality or charisma. that's because all those awful 'judges' look for is someone who can sing a few notes in tune - as if that's all music is about.
Are you simply ill informed or are you deliberately lying?

think about it - who has been the biggest new global popstar this year? well, love her or hate her, we all know that's Lady Gaga. imagine if she had entered X factor - they would probably of said her voice 'wasn't strong enough'. it's about style, personality, creativity, putting on a show etc. Gaga has captured the world's attention with all of that, in her character, and her music, which she writes herself and is heavily involved in the production of, and her music videos speak for themselves. haters call her music 'average pop', but there is no arguing with her worldwide sales this year, no new artist has come anywhere near her. she has created her own unique style and image for herself, and that comes across in her music more than anyone. of course many hate her, but her success in such a short space of time is undeniable.
GaGa can actually sing. And much as I like her, there are numerous claims against her originality and she is endlessly compared to Madonna. That's not really her fault, to be fair. You'll always find someone that has done it first even if it wasn't deliberately copying.

And lets face it, wearing very few clothes isn't a unique style. It's the oldest trick in the book.

i just hate what that show makes millions of people think the music industry is about, and how Cowell has monopolised the christmas no.1, and uses the live shows to sponge sales off the viewers for the show's singers (on his record label) who have new singles out - which will include Alexandra in a few weeks time when her new song is out. that's basically what x factor is - a vehicle for Cowell and Syco to sell records, dressed up as a talent competition.
How do you feel about Lady Gaga sponging off viewers of American Idol for her record sales? And the good chance that she'll show up at some point on X Factor this year.

The show is a vehicle for Cowell, ITV and Fremantle Media to make money. "Lady Gaga" is a vehicle for her to get famous and for her and Interscope to sell records and make money. This discussion forum is a vehicle for the owners to make money. I could go on.

That's not much of a criticism on its own. You could write off everything like that. What matters is how they do it. And while it's reasonable not to like the product, the ridiculous and oft repeated "it's just out to sell records" is a pretty empty criticism.
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Old 25-09-2009, 15:44
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How do you feel about Lady Gaga sponging off viewers of American Idol for her record sales? And the good chance that she'll show up at some point on X Factor this year.
that's just coincidental. almost all singers get to perform on tv shows from time to time. she hasn't come from a tv show, she started her career herself. the purpose of x factor is to get as many people watching as possible so they are made aware of Syco's new puppet. call Gaga 'unoriginal' all you like but she has captured the world's attention with her personality, and her music is selling like no other new artist! even though many people hate her she gets everyone's attention. i can hardly imagine her being more 'out there' to be honest. anyway, i really can't be bothered to compare artists' image and music to others. if we all criticised for that then we would hardly let ourselves enjoy anything for what it is. i think Gaga genuinely enjoys making music anyway, she writes her own songs and i can see her producing her own stuff in a few years time if she decides to take the time for it.
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Old 25-09-2009, 15:51
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So let me get this straight... Alexandra worked really, really hard and came out with 'Bad Boys?' Jesus, it's even worse than I imagined.
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Old 25-09-2009, 15:56
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So let me get this straight... Alexandra worked really, really hard and came out with 'Bad Boys?' Jesus, it's even worse than I imagined.
I don't think anyone said that, and despite it being an enjoyable song, I doubt anyone would suggest it is deserving of critical acclaim!
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Old 25-09-2009, 16:00
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that's just coincidental. almost all singers get to perform on tv shows from time to time.
Which was my point. She's there to "sponge" off the viewers hoping that they will buy her records.

The overwhelming majority of artists promote their records at every turn. So whether Leona/Alexandra/whoever are appearing on X Factor or The Royal Variety Show, they're there to promote (or sponge as you put it). Naturally, The X Factor will be one of their stops because it's a highly rated show that they are able to get on.

she hasn't come from a tv show, she started her career herself.
What exactly does that mean? She started her career herself? Doesn't everyone? Whether it's auditioning for a label exec in an office or a label exec on a TV show or any other way.

Yes, they do it with some help whether that's Simon Cowell or Jimmy Iovine. But everyone starts their own careers.

the purpose of x factor is to get as many people watching as possible so they are made aware of Syco's new puppet.
It's part of the purpose. But the real reason they want as many people watching as possible is because, believe it or not, advertising is quite a valuable field when you're the #1 rated show on TV. American Idol makes $800m a year for FOX. Leon Jackson's album would barely generate $1m in revenue (and quite possibly made a loss).

call Gaga 'unoriginal' all you like but she has captured the world's attention with her personality and her music is selling like no other new artist!
Call Leona "unoriginal" all you like but she's captured the world's attention with her voice and she has sold 6.6 million albums, had the biggest single in the world of 2008 blah blah blah...

And while Gaga is selling well, it's hardly unprecedented.

even though many people hate her she gets everyone's attention. anyway, i really can't be bothered to compare artists' image and music to others. if we all criticised for that then we would hardly let ourselves enjoy anything for what it is. i think Gaga genuinely enjoys making music anyway, she writes her own songs and i can see her producing her own stuff in a few years time if she decides to take the time for it.
I agree with all of this.
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Old 25-09-2009, 16:01
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This song will grow on you, dont fret

soon you'll become Alex stans
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Old 25-09-2009, 16:09
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This song will grow on you, dont fret
Is it normally benign or malignant?
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Old 25-09-2009, 16:43
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I think the song is okay and not as bad as some in this thread

I don't think liking this song means you have bad taste music

but hey that's just my opinion
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Old 25-09-2009, 16:44
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Are you simply ill informed or are you deliberately lying?

just out of interest, which songs has leona written/produced herself?
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Old 25-09-2009, 16:47
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Are you simply ill informed or are you deliberately lying?

just out of interest, which songs has leona written/produced herself?
I heard she wrote 'Run' back in 2000 and Snow Patrol stole it.
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Old 25-09-2009, 16:53
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I heard she wrote 'Run' back in 2000 and Snow Patrol stole it.
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Old 25-09-2009, 16:55
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Are you simply ill informed or are you deliberately lying?

just out of interest, which songs has leona written/produced herself?
well according to wikipedia......

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Old 25-09-2009, 17:04
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I heard she wrote 'Run' back in 2000 and Snow Patrol stole it.
Yeah I heard she wrote Stairway to Heaven too and Led Zeppelin stole that.
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Old 25-09-2009, 17:05
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None then. "Co-wrote" is a bit like me saying I co-wrote the Digital Spy forums because of my small (albeit incredibly important ) 12,000 post contribution to the millions of posts on this board. She probably dotted some T's and crossed some I's.
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Old 25-09-2009, 17:08
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None then. "Co-wrote" is a bit like me saying I co-wrote the Digital Spy forums because of my small (albeit incredibly important ) 12,000 post contribution to the millions of posts on this board. She probably dotted some T's and crossed some I's.
Also each song is credited at the bottom with no mention of her name...
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Old 25-09-2009, 17:09
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None then. "Co-wrote" is a bit like me saying I co-wrote the Digital Spy forums because of my small (albeit incredibly important ) 12,000 post contribution to the millions of posts on this board. She probably dotted some T's and crossed some I's.
hmm dunno, if she wrote a verse (or two) then she co-wrote a song

can't say I care either way, she's got a good voice (imo) and people seem to buy her stuff
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Old 25-09-2009, 17:17
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she hasn't "co-written" any of the hits though? and did i see simon cowell being credited as co-writer of 'footprints'?!
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Old 25-09-2009, 17:38
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Are you simply ill informed or are you deliberately lying?

just out of interest, which songs has leona written/produced herself?
Happy.
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Old 25-09-2009, 17:56
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None then. "Co-wrote" is a bit like me saying I co-wrote the Digital Spy forums because of my small (albeit incredibly important ) 12,000 post contribution to the millions of posts on this board. She probably dotted some T's and crossed some I's.
Though this could be said of any number of successful acts over the years. I don't care who writes what, so long as the song is good. Though if people are going to get on their high horses and use it as a stick to beat someone with, it would help if they at least got their facts straight.

she hasn't "co-written" any of the hits though? and did i see simon cowell being credited as co-writer of 'footprints'?!
Well, hopefully the new one ("Happy") will be a hit. Not seen the final tracklisting for the new album, but supposedly there are many more writing credits on this album than her first (just 2 for the UK version, 3 for the US).

"Footprints" was apparently based on a poem of the same name. I would guess that it was Cowell's idea to turn it into a song, hence the credit. AFAIK he has never been credited before nor does he claim to be a songwriter.
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