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Alesha Dixon in 'crisis talks' with BBC to repair shattered image
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dome
24-09-2009
Originally Posted by BIDIE-IN:
“There is no shame in the BBC being big enough to admit - now - that it got this wrong, that Alesha does not have the kind of experience that viewers - and contestants and pro dancers - have come to EXPECT on SCD, and that choreographer Shirley Ballas will be judging from now on.

Alesha can do back stage interviews and the behind the scenes footage every week for ITT.

You can picture the pens being sharpened as the 'Glendas' of the tabloid press get ready to pick apart every single thing Alesha says this weekend - unfair on the girl, but it will happen.

I read she is to see the rehearsals so she can prepare her comments - but suppose a rehearsal is good, and the performance the viewers see is rubbish? We would be back to square one.

There is nothing wrong with admitting an error - it takes guts - but I really do not see any way forward for SCD in the coming weeks.”

That would be the perfect solution.
Quizmike
24-09-2009
Originally Posted by dome:
“That would be the perfect solution.”

I disagree
BIDIE-IN
24-09-2009
Could Darcy Bussell have a go this weekend?
Quizmike
24-09-2009
Originally Posted by BIDIE-IN:
“Could Darcy Bussell have a go this weekend?”

No. She becomes fifth judge from the quarter finals onwards.
footygirl
24-09-2009
Originally Posted by Quizmike:
“I disagree”

Why is that
Tissy
24-09-2009
Originally Posted by Quizmike:
“No. She becomes fifth judge from the quarter finals onwards.”

I thought she was replacing another judge?
Quizmike
24-09-2009
Originally Posted by Tissy:
“I thought she was replacing another judge?”

Nope they've got five from the quarters onwards (which will completely muck up the stats!)
Quizmike
24-09-2009
Originally Posted by footygirl:
“Why is that”

Cause I think Alesha should be given more time. Controversial eh?
babinaba
24-09-2009
Originally Posted by AndrewAC:
“I think you will find that most judges/commentators etc all take notes/one-liners/prompts into the comm box or judging panel or practice them beforehand.

There's no shame in that - It's actually called being professional and doing your homework.

Seriously, people have gotta leave this poor girl alone - She's there for the very simple reason that she used to be a contestant on the show and is able to look at things from a different angle...just like cheryl cole on x-factor etc.”

I don't think you can actually compare the two - Cheryl is commenting and judging on something that she does for a living every day, and yes she's been through the same process as the constestants have been through (like Alesha), but I think what people are bothered about with Alesha is that she's commenting and passing judgement on people who she's been in the same position as but she doesn't have the background or made a living out of that particular skill/genre and she won't unfortunately be taken seriously by a huge majority of the public because of that. I'm not actually an Alesha hater (I've liked her for years) but as I said in a previous post - she's doing what she was employed to do which isn't her fault. I personally think the BBC made the wrong decision as I don't think we need a judge on the panel telling US what the public opinion is. A lot of the time, I watch SCD or DWTS and want to learn, I want the judges to tell me what was wrong or good about a dance, about what they need to do to improve and then see if they take the advice. I don't need someone on the panel telling me that Joe was nervous (for example) - I can see that for myself.
zankoku87
24-09-2009
Originally Posted by Quizmike:
“Nope they've got five from the quarters onwards (which will completely muck up the stats!)”

Arg, I know!

I'm thinking of scaling the scores down from the QF onwards so that my stats will still work... Inconsiderate BBC!
BuddyBontheNet
24-09-2009
Originally Posted by BIDIE-IN:
“There is no shame in the BBC being big enough to admit - now - that it got this wrong, that Alesha does not have the kind of experience that viewers - and contestants and pro dancers - have come to EXPECT on SCD, and that choreographer Shirley Ballas will be judging from now on.

Alesha can do back stage interviews and the behind the scenes footage every week for ITT.

You can picture the pens being sharpened as the 'Glendas' of the tabloid press get ready to pick apart every single thing Alesha says this weekend - unfair on the girl, but it will happen.

I read she is to see the rehearsals so she can prepare her comments - but suppose a rehearsal is good, and the performance the viewers see is rubbish? We would be back to square one.

There is nothing wrong with admitting an error - it takes guts - but I really do not see any way forward for SCD in the coming weeks.
Originally Posted by dome:
“That would be the perfect solution.
Originally Posted by Quizmike:
“I disagree”
”
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So do I and btw all the judges can and do watch rehearsals - not necessarily all the time, but in their comments they have all referred to rehearsals before now. This is nothing new and not a special arrangement for Alesha, despite what the media have said.
EmmaGx
24-09-2009
Originally Posted by zankoku87:
“Arg, I know!

I'm thinking of scaling the scores down from the QF onwards so that my stats will still work... Inconsiderate BBC! ”

... you could just exclude Darcey's scoring from the stats!

... while I love Alesha, I'm really not a fan of her new judging role ... but I can't see why all of the papers are gunning for Alesha, as she's performing in the role the Beeb hired her for just fine! ... if I have a problem with anyone it's the beeb for deciding we needed an ex winner on the panel, and not another ballroom/latin specilist ..
BuddyBontheNet
24-09-2009
I'd start planning for a transition to 5 judges for the whole series, as I've got a feeling Shirley Ballas will join them next year.
zankoku87
24-09-2009
Originally Posted by EmmaGx:
“... you could just exclude Darcey's scoring from the stats!”

Yes, I suppose so... but, as Buddy says:

Originally Posted by BuddyBontheNet:
“I'd start planning for a transition to 5 judges for the whole series, as I've got a feeling Shirley Ballas will join them next year.”

... I have a feeling that 5 judges might not be limited to the end of this series.
Servalan
24-09-2009
Originally Posted by BIDIE-IN:
“There is no shame in the BBC being big enough to admit - now - that it got this wrong, that Alesha does not have the kind of experience that viewers - and contestants and pro dancers - have come to EXPECT on SCD, and that choreographer Shirley Ballas will be judging from now on.

Alesha can do back stage interviews and the behind the scenes footage every week for ITT.

You can picture the pens being sharpened as the 'Glendas' of the tabloid press get ready to pick apart every single thing Alesha says this weekend - unfair on the girl, but it will happen.

I read she is to see the rehearsals so she can prepare her comments - but suppose a rehearsal is good, and the performance the viewers see is rubbish? We would be back to square one.

There is nothing wrong with admitting an error - it takes guts - but I really do not see any way forward for SCD in the coming weeks.”

As Buddy says, and I said myself earlier, the judges watching footage of the rehearsals is nothing new at all. On ITT, we have regularly seen the judges doing just this! Clearly the clueless Mirror, Mail et al are too lazy/stupid/both to do their homework, so desperate are they for a 'story'. Pathetic, really.

And you say viewers expect a certain degree of experience from the judges on SCD. Too right. The judges last year behaved appallingly, and did not score fairly at all - and Arlene was more guilty of this than anyone else. I do expect better than that, and so do many others who are quite happy to see the back of Arlene.

Alesha isn't supposed to have the same perspective as an experienced choreographer - that's the whole point. Besides, as we have experienced choreographers in Craig and Bruno, why would we need another one? If you don't like that idea, fine - but why not just let the series bed down? There is a long way to go, and don't imagine Alesha will back down now - the tabloids have made it too personal.

All this rubbish in the press aside, this series has begun more promisingly than I, and many others, could have hoped for. Continuing to obsess about the judging panel will do nothing but damage the show. But then that is what the likes of the Daily Heil want - isn't it?
EmmaGx
24-09-2009
Originally Posted by zankoku87:
“Yes, I suppose so... but, as Buddy says:



... I have a feeling that 5 judges might not be limited to the end of this series.”

I just hope it's not Darcy that's added for the whole thing ... they really should have someone from the ballroom/latin world ...
thenetworkbabe
24-09-2009
Originally Posted by katie_p:
“It's worked a treat don't you think?

I can't stop remarking on how much the voters love and respect the judging panel now that Alesha is on it!”

Can't see any sign that significant numbers of people compared to the viewing numbers care that much or think anything is wrong or worse. The Murdoch Press and the Mail just want to replace the BBC with Sky 1 and Fox news. The marks are about what they would be so far and Len is being more random than Alesha. Many are saying the mood is better.I agree the ploy may not work (didn't with Martina) because they have made a completely different mistake. They may not get people phoning up now to undermine the judges and keep dire people in , but they seem to have put 2-3 people who are pretty dire in with already existing fan bases which will give them the same problem.

The main point is the old panel wasn't being listened to and it needed to change tone - someone had to go and it couldn't be Bruno who has moved into a more critical role or Craig who has basically stayed the same but added some more constructive points. There's a case for Len being less useful than Arlene but he was seen as positive wheras Arlene was seen as critical . If you need to give the panel a more positive face Arlene either had to act like Bruno or someone like Alesha had to arrive.
soulmate61
24-09-2009
Originally Posted by Tissy:
“This really is taking all the spotlight away from the celebs this year ”

Yes, Martina Hingis came and went, hardly noticed. Matthew went over the side, hardly noticed. One person towers over Strictly, it's a one-person show now.
Heebie Geebies
24-09-2009
Originally Posted by zankoku87:
“It was in the Daily Mail. The likelihood of it being true is very low.”

True but there is no smoke without fire, there is animosity towards the girl, that much cannot be denied and yes she was heard asking the opinions of her family,judges ect and people are wrongly laying into her for that but what you have to remember she has hit the show running and is still finding her feet, she needs time to settle in and the level of criticism towards her is unwarranted.

Maybe the BEEB has made a mistake by hiring her but only time will tell, give her a few more shows to prove herself because to judge on her after only two is extremely unfair, one thing though it will be unacceptable if she was still seeking others opinions about the couples performances from now on.
cath99
25-09-2009
This really is turning into a witch hunt. Its unsavoury at best - just another variation on the mob bullying seen on other reality tv shows.
Monkseal
25-09-2009
Originally Posted by soulmate61:
“Yes, Martina Hingis came and went, hardly noticed. Matthew went over the side, hardly noticed. One person towers over Strictly, it's a one-person show now.”

Yes, because everyone remembers the indelible mark left on the show by Brian Capron, Mica Paris, Nicolas Owen, and... well Siobhan Heyes, the last time Matthew got paired with a personality black hole.
Ficklepickle
25-09-2009
Originally Posted by Servalan:
“As Buddy says, and I said myself earlier, the judges watching footage of the rehearsals is nothing new at all. On ITT, we have regularly seen the judges doing just this! Clearly the clueless Mirror, Mail et al are too lazy/stupid/both to do their homework, so desperate are they for a 'story'. Pathetic, really.

And you say viewers expect a certain degree of experience from the judges on SCD. Too right. The judges last year behaved appallingly, and did not score fairly at all - and Arlene was more guilty of this than anyone else. I do expect better than that, and so do many others who are quite happy to see the back of Arlene.

Alesha isn't supposed to have the same perspective as an experienced choreographer - that's the whole point. Besides, as we have experienced choreographers in Craig and Bruno, why would we need another one? If you don't like that idea, fine - but why not just let the series bed down? There is a long way to go, and don't imagine Alesha will back down now - the tabloids have made it too personal.

All this rubbish in the press aside, this series has begun more promisingly than I, and many others, could have hoped for. Continuing to obsess about the judging panel will do nothing but damage the show. But then that is what the likes of the Daily Heil want - isn't it?”

What is the point supposed to be then? To reflect the experience of having gone through the show? If so, that could be done more combatively: pointing out to the other judges how hard it is to learn the steps, or telling us about how own experiences of learning (say) the tango. That might work. Just being more "positive" in the sense of offering platitudes is boring.
Quizmike
25-09-2009
Originally Posted by Heebie Geebies:
“True but there is no smoke without fire, there is animosity towards the girl, that much cannot be denied and yes she was heard asking the opinions of her family,judges ect and people are wrongly laying into her for that but what you have to remember she has hit the show running and is still finding her feet, she needs time to settle in and the level of criticism towards her is unwarranted.

Maybe the BEEB has made a mistake by hiring her but only time will tell, give her a few more shows to prove herself because to judge on her after only two is extremely unfair, one thing though it will be unacceptable if she was still seeking others opinions about the couples performances from now on.”

Hi,

Just thought I'd correct you're whole view of things.

The NOTW piece was completely made up. It was lies. At no stage did she ask her family what they thought. It's a phisical impossibility which anyone who watches ITT would know. It's laughable and yet people still believe.

So please do not take what you have read and let it colour your view.
Quizmike
25-09-2009
Originally Posted by Ficklepickle:
“What is the point supposed to be then? To reflect the experience of having gone through the show? If so, that could be done more combatively: pointing out to the other judges how hard it is to learn the steps, or telling us about how own experiences of learning (say) the tango. That might work. Just being more "positive" in the sense of offering platitudes is boring.”

And that was her first week.
JukeJive
25-09-2009
Originally Posted by Quizmike:
“Nope they've got five from the quarters onwards (which will completely muck up the stats!)”

I thought Darcy Bussel was covering for Craig because he's doing Panto this year.
It might muck up the stats but wouldn't it stop Len from havig the sole say on who is eliminated in the quarters if 3 is a majority vote? Or am I really tired and and my brain is in lock down?
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