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Busted - Lowest ever selling number 1?
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Ocean Pacific
24-02-2004
Busted sold 30,000 to get to Number 1 this week. Is this a record for the lowest ever sales to get to number 1?
metafis
24-02-2004
Only 30,000!. Thats really low. The singles charts as we know them are dying are'nt they.
Becoming meaningless these days. If this carries on I can see artists who get to even number one in the singles charts being dropped if they dont sell enough Albums.
swellybro
24-02-2004
I am not really suprised, Busted are awful. Well not just them but the singles chart at the moment.

Now when i think back 10 years ago when there was a lot of good music in the charts.
JJenius
24-02-2004
Thats the question though Isnt it ?
10 years ago, was music in the charts actually better? Or have you just matured and look back on the songs as classics ?
swellybro
24-02-2004
I think bands like Blur, Pulp, Oasis were all quite talented, they knew how to write a song. They played their own instruments.

I heard busted on radio 1 the other day, they did a cover of the Undertones classic, teenage kicks. It was terrible, i was forced to turn the radio to a different station.

Alot of the music today are covers, or this terrible rap come cheesy love songs, that appear on MTV all day.

I like eminem, i think he is inventive and his songs come from the heart.

The charts are either filled with pretty girls doing pop songs, or D list celebs trying to find a new way to make money. Or we have Gareth and Will, and the less said about those the better.

Maybe i am looking back on that time with a nostaglic affection, because i would talk about these songs at school, but i can't help feeling that the lack of talent in the charts at the moment is very bad for music.
cobaltmale
24-02-2004
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“Originally posted by swellybro


Now when i think back 10 years ago when there was a lot of good music in the charts.
”

The chart was NOT full of Britpop 10 years ago, just as it was not full of punk and new-wave in 1977. It was full of 2 Unlimited and The Dooleys respectively.

I could be a boring old fart about "my" era but there's no point - it's all subjective, just like "the Golden Age of TV".

Record sales, however, are a practical concern.

G
GaryB
24-02-2004
Just a thought. In 10 years time, the kids of today may well look back at the likes of Busted, Blazin' Squad and assorted other dross that's in the charts now and say "They don't make music like that any more". Scary.
cobaltmale
24-02-2004
Quote:
“Originally posted by GaryB
Just a thought. In 10 years time, the kids of today may well look back at the likes of Busted, Blazin' Squad and assorted other dross that's in the charts now and say "They don't make music like that any more". Scary. ”

They will.

In 1977 all the "cool" kids were slagging off Abba.

G (age 13 in 1977)
swellybro
24-02-2004
Quote:
“Originally posted by cobaltmale


Record sales, however, are a practical concern.

G
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My point is that i don't think the music warrants buying.
cobaltmale
24-02-2004
Quote:
“Originally posted by swellybro
My point is that i don't think the music warrants buying. ”

I know it was, hence my points.

G
Ruby_
24-02-2004
Quote:
“Originally posted by metafis
Only 30,000!. Thats really low. The singles charts as we know them are dying are'nt they.
Becoming meaningless these days. If this carries on I can see artists who get to even number one in the singles charts being dropped if they dont sell enough Albums.
”

Hi Mike. Yes, the BPI has reported that singles sales fell 31% in 2003 - that's absolutely massive!! Whereas album sales went up 5.6% because the prices are falling, despite the whole illegal download phenomenon.

As I was saying in the WH Smith thread, I don't think singles will die altogether because radio airplay, videos and chart shows are still very good marketing tools - and front page promotion on download sites like MSN could be as well. I just think that singles won't be sold as physical CDs, but as downloads. Interestingly MSN has favourable pricing on single tracks, but their whole-album prices don't give you any incentive at all to stop buying CD albums.

So I'm not sure what the implications would be for artists who can't carry off whole albums.... but it doesn't look too good, does it? Because if I'm right, then singles will become loss leaders and promotional tools, not money spinners. Well, that's surely got to be good news for people who like real music. Maybe the long-heralded, badly needed weeding out of the music industry is about to commence... and I can't wait for the heads to start rolling.
Ocean Pacific
24-02-2004
Isn't 12" vinal the only area where there has been an explosion in sales? Dance music is alive and well.
goody2shoes_23
24-02-2004
The reason sales were at their best a decade ago, was because CD's were still quite new. Alongside vinyl and tapes sales were massive. People stopped vinyl (it is not in most stores), people stopped buying tapes (alot less of these in shops nowadays, and now people are bored of CD's. The industry is just moving on.
Blueberry Patch
24-02-2004
I haven't bought a single in years, I buy albums now and to be honest I don't like a lot of music in the top 10. I don't even listen to it any more and haven't for a long time.

I love music and I tend to buy what I think is good albums not necessary the new stuff but some of the older classics. In the States they have always had a preference for album sellers.

I believe Ronan Keating has just released I think a Kenny Rogers song. Really? Two of pop idol singers was just number one with need a little help with my friends. If you are serious music lover you would buy the orginal not the Karokee version and those whom have never heard the original artists and do so for the first time will not buy the single but end up buying the whole album.
ito_eats
24-02-2004
They've smashed their own record with this one as 'You Said No' from last spring held the 'lowest selling' record, not just for the first week sales but also I think in total it was a stinker.

New Kids On The Block took 'Hanging Tough' to the top in 1990 with about 31,000 sales, and that was the record up until last year
goody2shoes_23
24-02-2004
I remeber hearing You Said No was abit of a low seller for a No 1.

Also remeber J Lo's Love Don't Cost A Thing being the lowest No 1 seller of 2001.
DryHumper
24-02-2004
Although I'm not the biggest fan of myCoke and it's up and coming rivals, I think online sales will save the single. The BPI is going to incorporate online legal sales into figures later this year.

On the issue of, "I don't look at the singles chart anymore, it's all rubbish these days". If the web had been going 20 years, I'm sure we'd find the exact same statements 10 and 20 years ago. Afterall, we had Kylie with "I should be so lucky" at no.1 in the 80's, as well as Jason Donovan, Samatha Fox, etc. As well as the fact that there's still plenty of rock bands around to replace Oasis, etc. You only have to look at the chart to find a few.

The chart is the same old mix of music it ever was, good and bad, whatever your tastes.
I'mSpartacus
26-02-2004
One reason why sales of singles have gone down is because albums have become so cheap, whereas the price of singles have remained static. For example, the price of a singles are still £3.99 altough the price of albums have fallen to £8.99.

Also, artists aren't releasing as many B-sides, so basically you're a mug if you buy singles.
TOML
26-02-2004
Quote:
“Originally posted by swellybro
I am not really suprised, Busted are awful. Well not just them but the singles chart at the moment.

Now when i think back 10 years ago when there was a lot of good music in the charts.
”


Finnaly!! someone speaking some sense, but this day 10 years ago mariah was number 1 with ''without you'' which was pretty annoying. The standard of albums and singles was much better then!!
swellybro
27-02-2004
The even sadder thing is that

Sam and Mark - With a Little Help from My Friends

Can get to number two. Heard this the other day. I thought things couldn't get much worse.

To be fair Mariah did a good cover of "Without You" but it still wasn't a patch on Nillson's original.
Quaoar
27-02-2004
Quote:
“ Is this a record for the lowest ever sales to get to number 1”

I believe Iron Maiden did it in 1991 on "about 30,000" but I can't recall a lower figure ever being quoted.
Sean Sinclair
28-02-2004
Just remember, people couldn't download music twenty to thirty years ago. I know it's a widely used excuse, but it's very true. Why spend £2.99-£3.99 on a single, when you can download it onto your computer for £0.00-£1.00 and burn to a CD!

Back then, any old crap could become a classic. Look a Duran Duran. Influenced millions of horny teenagers, went, ten years later everybody considers them as making outstanding contributions to music.

Then we hear them perform on the Brits; crap.

Imagine a really, really old Charlie from Busted performing with his 'band' in thirty years time on the Brits; when the looks have gone, who will care?

What will be left?!
Rich2k
28-02-2004
In the US many of the big bands don't even bother releasing singles these days as the chart is compiled of the billboard chart which is radio airplay.

They just release albums instead.
NewWoman
28-02-2004
Quote:
“Originally posted by cobaltmale
They will.

In 1977 all the "cool" kids were slagging off Abba.

G (age 13 in 1977)
”

Doesnt everyone still slag off Abba??
jcx
29-02-2004
Quote:
“Originally posted by swellybro
I think bands like Blur, Pulp, Oasis were all quite talented, they knew how to write a song. They played their own instruments.

I heard busted on radio 1 the other day, they did a cover of the Undertones classic, teenage kicks. It was terrible, i was forced to turn the radio to a different station.

Alot of the music today are covers, or this terrible rap come cheesy love songs, that appear on MTV all day.

I like eminem, i think he is inventive and his songs come from the heart.

The charts are either filled with pretty girls doing pop songs, or D list celebs trying to find a new way to make money. Or we have Gareth and Will, and the less said about those the better.

Maybe i am looking back on that time with a nostaglic affection, because i would talk about these songs at school, but i can't help feeling that the lack of talent in the charts at the moment is very bad for music.
”

Everyone thinks this, but Blur, Pulp and Oasis probably occupied about 0.1% of the charts. People forget about the Take Thats and Boyzones of the time. Have a look at http://www.thisdayinmusic.com/ or other websites to prove this.
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