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Old 29-09-2009, 18:40
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Have seen similar questions in other threads, but the answers don't seem to answer this question.
Apologies if I have missed something!

I have a SKY+ box from which I wish to connect both Audio and video to my new ONKYO TX-SR607 AV Receiver
Then I can connect to my HD TV via HDMI from the ONKYO upscaling the SKY+ signal to 1080i in the process.

On the SKY+ box I have either SCART or S Video connections for video and Optical for Audio.

On the ONKYO TX-SR607 I have Optical input for Audio and three Phono terminals referred to as “Component Video In” and individually labelled Y , CB/PB and CR/PR for video.

Which is the best of the SCART or S Video options on the SKY+ box to link to the three Phono terminals referred to as “Component Video In”?
Is there a simple method / cable to do it?
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Old 29-09-2009, 18:58
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Best option is to connect the SCART or component video output of the Sky+ box to the TV directly and the optical output of the Sky+ into an optical audio input on the Onkyo. Component video and the RGB standard found within the SCART connection are pretty equal in real world use - there's not much in it, if anything.

(Don't mistake Component for Composite - Composite = a four letter word beginning with C)

Very few systems can convert from one input type to another output type (ie RGB in to HDMI out), so you'll have to consult your manual to see if this would work. If it does, cool. However you'd still need to slave an optical audio input, as this is the only connection that supports Dolby Digital 5.1, which is broadcast with some HD television channels.

The reason for this convolution is, I believe, down to a limitation within the Sky+ box.

It's easy to get your knickers in a twist describing this, so I apologise now if the above is as clear as mud.
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Old 29-09-2009, 22:55
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Best option is to connect the SCART or component video output of the Sky+ box to the TV directly and the optical output of the Sky+ into an optical audio input on the Onkyo. Component video and the RGB standard found within the SCART connection are pretty equal in real world use - there's not much in it, if anything.

(Don't mistake Component for Composite - Composite = a four letter word beginning with C)

Very few systems can convert from one input type to another output type (ie RGB in to HDMI out), so you'll have to consult your manual to see if this would work. If it does, cool. However you'd still need to slave an optical audio input, as this is the only connection that supports Dolby Digital 5.1, which is broadcast with some HD television channels.

The reason for this convolution is, I believe, down to a limitation within the Sky+ box.

It's easy to get your knickers in a twist describing this, so I apologise now if the above is as clear as mud.
Thanks for your reply.

Not sure what you mean by "(Don't mistake Component for Composite - Composite = a four letter word beginning with C)"?

Have checked again on the back of the Onkyo and can confirm that it is definitely composite inputs as in this picture;

http://www.eu.onkyo.com/ir_img/21302201_4490ff497b.jpg

The phono connections are coloured Y = Green, CB/PB = Blue and CR/PR = Red and are on the left of the picture

The reason for wanting to connect the video through the Onkyo is to use it's upscaler to upscale the signal from the SKY+ box to 1080i which the ONKYO then outputs through HDMI to TV.

If I understand you correctly, you seem to imply that the SCART connection on the SKY+ box has the necessary signals to connect to the ONKYO?

Do you know of any suitable cables or what the pin assignment is on the SCART connection of the SKY+ box?

Audio is not an issue for me, the optical output from the SKY+ box is already connected to the Optical input on the ONKYO and passes through the Dolby Digital signal from the relevant Sky Movies channels that it is broadcast on.
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Old 29-09-2009, 23:11
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All you need really is the Optical Lead for Audio and HDMI Lead for vision which is what I use on my virginmedai V+ and yes the principal is exactly the same.

Best not to get too bogged down with Star Trek gobblygook as regarding connections etc, just keep it simple.

Good luck!
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Old 29-09-2009, 23:15
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All you need really is the Optical Lead for Audio and HDMI Lead for vision which is what I use on my virginmedai V+ and yes the principal is exactly the same.

Best not to get too bogged down with Star Trek gobblygook as regarding connections etc, just keep it simple.

Good luck!
The problem is that SKY+ boxes don't have an HDMI connection just SCART and S Video.
So there isn't anywhere to connect an HDMI cable to!
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Old 29-09-2009, 23:53
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The problem is that SKY+ boxes don't have an HDMI connection just SCART and S Video.
So there isn't anywhere to connect an HDMI cable to!
Just stick to RGB scart -> TV, the TV will be upscaling Sky+ images anyway.

If you really want to go through the Onkyo then S-Video would be the easiest route, the Onkyo would upconvert this to HDMI.

With scart you would need a RGB scart -> component converter, then you could use the component inputs on the Onkyo for it to upconvert to HDMI.

In either case I doubt you would see a massive difference from RGB scart, especially with all the converting/processing that's being carried out.

I have seen component -> HDMI on an Onkyo, I wasn't impressed.
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Old 30-09-2009, 22:29
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Blimey Ad!!! I never knew that, and thanks for letting me know

My V+ from virginmedia does have an optical connection, so I assumed that Sky + did as well. How silly of me.
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Old 30-09-2009, 22:35
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Blimey Ad!!! I never knew that, and thanks for letting me know

My V+ from virginmedia does have an optical connection, so I assumed that Sky + did as well. How silly of me.
To clarify;

SKY+ has;

1 x Optical out
2 x Scart
1 x S video
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Old 01-10-2009, 02:46
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Blimey Ad!!! I never knew that, and thanks for letting me know

My V+ from virginmedia does have an optical connection, so I assumed that Sky + did as well. How silly of me.
Some SD Virgin Media STBs don't have an optical audio out. Of course, the V+ boxes do.

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Not sure what you mean by "(Don't mistake Component for Composite - Composite = a four letter word beginning with C)"?

Have checked again on the back of the Onkyo and can confirm that it is definitely composite inputs as in this picture;

http://www.eu.onkyo.com/ir_img/21302201_4490ff497b.jpg

The phono connections are coloured Y = Green, CB/PB = Blue and CR/PR = Red and are on the left of the picture
See what I mean? You say "definitely composite", only to go on to describe component connections!

Composite (as it's name suggests) lumps all those 3 colours into a single yellow coloured RCA phono connection. You can see the composite sockets to the right of the component sockets, with their corresponding audio red/white sockets.

The picture quality of those yellow composite connections is extremely poor and should be avoided as much as possible.

The SCART connection direct to your TV is the best way to go, but for the record you can breakdown the pin connections to reveal RGB, Composite and analogue audio and in some cases S-Video. You don't need to know what those pins are, however, as you could buy a simple breakout box with the relevant connections revealed.

You've probably seen these SCART <-> Composite & S-Video [click].

Or these SCART <-> RGB break in/out [click].

To clarify something else - RGB does not = Component.
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Old 01-10-2009, 09:02
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Some SD Virgin Media STBs don't have an optical audio out. Of course, the V+ boxes do.

See what I mean? You say "definitely composite", only to go on to describe component connections!

Composite (as it's name suggests) lumps all those 3 colours into a single yellow coloured RCA phono connection. You can see the composite sockets to the right of the component sockets, with their corresponding audio red/white sockets.

The picture quality of those yellow composite connections is extremely poor and should be avoided as much as possible.

The SCART connection direct to your TV is the best way to go, but for the record you can breakdown the pin connections to reveal RGB, Composite and analogue audio and in some cases S-Video. You don't need to know what those pins are, however, as you could buy a simple breakout box with the relevant connections revealed.

You've probably seen these SCART <-> Composite & S-Video [click].

Or these SCART <-> RGB break in/out [click].

To clarify something else - RGB does not = Component.
"definitely composite" obviously should have read "definitely not composite" but these forums don't allow editing of posts beyond 60 minutes!

From my own research online, I have found an old Manual for the PACE SKY+ box, which details the connectors as:

TV SCART: SCART (composite video out; RGB out)
VCR SCART: SCART (composite video in/out; RGB in)
S-VIDEO OUT 4-way mini-DIN

I assume from this that the SKY+ box does not output component from any of its connectors and therefore this is a waste of time.
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Old 01-10-2009, 23:27
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If you set up your ONKYO TX-SR607 correctly, you only need to connect the HDMI. Your receiver will process the video and audio from the HDMI. You dont need an audio optical lead.
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Old 02-10-2009, 02:07
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"definitely composite" obviously should have read "definitely not composite" but these forums don't allow editing of posts beyond 60 minutes!

From my own research online, I have found an old Manual for the PACE SKY+ box, which details the connectors as:

TV SCART: SCART (composite video out; RGB out)
VCR SCART: SCART (composite video in/out; RGB in)
S-VIDEO OUT 4-way mini-DIN

I assume from this that the SKY+ box does not output component from any of its connectors and therefore this is a waste of time.
"waste of time"?~debateable. Like I said, it was just for the record. I've got plenty of time, and I did say the best way to connect video was SCART STB to TV, and optical audio out STB to Onkyo.

@looper35uk The Sky+ box doesn't appear to have an HDMI output. And the Onkyo doesn't have any RGB or S-Video inputs, so it is only possible to connect an optical audio cable, or yellow/red/white analogue AV (composite) phono cables.

The Sky+ box AD has is not Sky+ HD.
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