http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/scotland/...st/8281288.stm
Well thats good to know the city was selected with no racial thoughts behind it......
Well thats good to know the city was selected with no racial thoughts behind it......
Glasgow not 'too white' for Mobos
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I just find these claims incredible, to be honest, and borderline racist. They play straight into the hands of people who claim there shouldn't be a MOBO awards in the first place.
Surely the point of these awards is to promote black music in the UK, not just to preach to the converted. You can keep it in its wee niche if you want to be overprotective and just a London meedja event, but it just arouses suspicision and resentment.
Beyond that, these comments are incredibly insulting to the city's black population, of which there is a high concentration in many areas.
Someone also has to explain to me how Cardiff or Leeds would be more multicultural and 'sexy' than Glasgow as well.
The traditional view of Glasgow is what you see in Taggart, and in many areas like some of the east end and even some of the city itself that may be the case. But you try coming to the Merchant City or the west end and tell me that it hasn't grown, and that it isn't suited to hosting these awards.
Surely the point of these awards is to promote black music in the UK, not just to preach to the converted. You can keep it in its wee niche if you want to be overprotective and just a London meedja event, but it just arouses suspicision and resentment.
Beyond that, these comments are incredibly insulting to the city's black population, of which there is a high concentration in many areas.
Someone also has to explain to me how Cardiff or Leeds would be more multicultural and 'sexy' than Glasgow as well.
The traditional view of Glasgow is what you see in Taggart, and in many areas like some of the east end and even some of the city itself that may be the case. But you try coming to the Merchant City or the west end and tell me that it hasn't grown, and that it isn't suited to hosting these awards.
For someone to say these sort of things about Glasgow, Scotland just proves that they don't have a clue what they're talking about.
Scotland is one of the most beautiful countries in the world.
That idiot, the former MOBO panellist Paul McKenzie apparently said in The Independent on Sunday: "The real problem is getting the stars to go to Glasgow. I can understand why the MOBOs went to Glasgow - because they were having problems getting the council to foot the bill for security. But it simply doesn't work.
"Glasgow just isn't sexy and it's a very white city. Even Leeds, Cardiff or Birmingham would have made more sense. It's not a big draw for US artists. They've really struggled to get the big stars. Ask any American artist where Scotland is and they'd probably struggle."
Glasgow is a beautiful, friendly city, I've visited it many times.
It's a multi-cultural city, with many races . . . . .
What an unbelievable thing to say, like Leeds, Cardiff & B'ham are sexy Paul ?
Yea, right, I'll tell the jokes !
The fact that Americans don't know where Scotland is, isn't our problem, it's theirs !
but that's just another stereotypical view that he has of Americans.
What a jerk, man . . . .
Scotland is one of the most beautiful countries in the world.
That idiot, the former MOBO panellist Paul McKenzie apparently said in The Independent on Sunday: "The real problem is getting the stars to go to Glasgow. I can understand why the MOBOs went to Glasgow - because they were having problems getting the council to foot the bill for security. But it simply doesn't work.
"Glasgow just isn't sexy and it's a very white city. Even Leeds, Cardiff or Birmingham would have made more sense. It's not a big draw for US artists. They've really struggled to get the big stars. Ask any American artist where Scotland is and they'd probably struggle."
Glasgow is a beautiful, friendly city, I've visited it many times.
It's a multi-cultural city, with many races . . . . .
What an unbelievable thing to say, like Leeds, Cardiff & B'ham are sexy Paul ?
Yea, right, I'll tell the jokes !
The fact that Americans don't know where Scotland is, isn't our problem, it's theirs !
but that's just another stereotypical view that he has of Americans.
What a jerk, man . . . .
Originally Posted by kutox:
“always have to make an issue out of race don't they!”
“always have to make an issue out of race don't they!”
And this is exactly what I was worried about...
It's important to note this is one commentator who's stirring things up. While there may be some others who agree, there's no evidence even a high proportion of the people currently involved in the awards share these views.
It's one arse, not an entire group of people.
Now having said all I have, I'll admit Glasgow in terms of Urban music is not the capital of the world. But isn't the point trying to reach out to people and .. well, sell more records in places where you don't already, to be blunt?
i thought all music and colours were equal??? so why have black music awards?? and why it it been forced down the throats of people who don't like black music????
Originally Posted by p_c_u_k:
“And this is exactly what I was worried about...
It's important to note this is one commentator who's stirring things up. While there may be some others who agree, there's no evidence even a high proportion of the people currently involved in the awards share these views.
It's one arse, not an entire group of people.
Now having said all I have, I'll admit Glasgow in terms of Urban music is not the capital of the world. But isn't the point trying to reach out to people and .. well, sell more records in places where you don't already, to be blunt?”
“And this is exactly what I was worried about...
It's important to note this is one commentator who's stirring things up. While there may be some others who agree, there's no evidence even a high proportion of the people currently involved in the awards share these views.
It's one arse, not an entire group of people.
Now having said all I have, I'll admit Glasgow in terms of Urban music is not the capital of the world. But isn't the point trying to reach out to people and .. well, sell more records in places where you don't already, to be blunt?”
yeah i know it's only an odd few, but there's always some who love to cause debate by making those stupid comments. personally i wouldn't have a clue about what places are more 'urban' musically, although i wouldn't imagine Glasgow was one of them, but i dunno.
Originally Posted by mattshenton:
“i thought all music and colours were equal??? so why have black music awards?? and why it it been forced down the throats of people who don't like black music????”
“i thought all music and colours were equal??? so why have black music awards?? and why it it been forced down the throats of people who don't like black music????”
Used to be my concern but is the point not that it is Music of Black Origin. So in other words, it doesn't need to be sung by black people, it just has to be music inspired by those cultures?
In which case the argument about Glasgow being too white becomes even more stupid, frankly.
Originally Posted by mattshenton:
“i thought all music and colours were equal??? so why have black music awards?? and why it it been forced down the throats of people who don't like black music????”
“i thought all music and colours were equal??? so why have black music awards?? and why it it been forced down the throats of people who don't like black music????”
By "black music" they refer to Hip-hop, R&B, rap, etc. When do you see these kind of genres winning awards like the Brits?
Originally Posted by mattshenton:
“i thought all music and colours were equal??? so why have black music awards?? and why it it been forced down the throats of people who don't like black music????”
“i thought all music and colours were equal??? so why have black music awards?? and why it it been forced down the throats of people who don't like black music????”
How is it being forced down your throat if it's separated?
And as others have said, MOBO stands for music of black origin. Mind you people like you will find fault no matter what.
Originally Posted by Raditude:
“Totally offensive! I think this former judge needs to retract his words.”
“Totally offensive! I think this former judge needs to retract his words.”
Calm down! Hardly.
He doesn't speak for the Mobos nor for anyone else - it's his personal opinion and the MOBO organisers have distanced themselves from the statement. What more do you want?
Jeez!
Glasgow is the UK's 4th largest city, and is very multi-cultural, although admittedly it's more rock/indie/dance centred (I'm from Glasgow so feel qualified to give that opinion btw).
So this is the first year they have held the MOBOs outside of London - it's my recollection that the big US stars usually shun it every year anyway!
So this is the first year they have held the MOBOs outside of London - it's my recollection that the big US stars usually shun it every year anyway!
who gives a flying f**k? until a read this a wisnae even aware that this mob were coming up here. but let me just tell you a couldnae care less that they are, a widnae even go tae see this event and the "artists" if they were performing in ma back green in the calton. bunch a no marks. and that other no mark who wiz givin it the big man routine about glasgow and lacking colour, well if he wants tae come and meet me doon the gallowgate after ave bossed his face intae a wall there will be plenty a colour.
lol i cant believe this topic is even being discusssed!!!who really cares if glasgow is a mainly white city??
I think its good they put it in glasgow makes a change from london ( i live in london btw) they should go all over the UK & its not like glasgow is on the other side of the world isit.
The artists from the US not coming lol who gives a f*** they dont have to come its mainly about UK artists & anyways they have the BET awards so why would they come here.
I think its good they put it in glasgow makes a change from london ( i live in london btw) they should go all over the UK & its not like glasgow is on the other side of the world isit.
The artists from the US not coming lol who gives a f*** they dont have to come its mainly about UK artists & anyways they have the BET awards so why would they come here.
Originally Posted by Kel'Thuzad:
“who gives a flying f**k? until a read this a wisnae even aware that this mob were coming up here. but let me just tell you a couldnae care less that they are, a widnae even go tae see this event and the "artists" if they were performing in ma back green in the calton. bunch a no marks. and that other no mark who wiz givin it the big man routine about glasgow and lacking colour, well if he wants tae come and meet me doon the gallowgate after ave bossed his face intae a wall there will be plenty a colour.”
“who gives a flying f**k? until a read this a wisnae even aware that this mob were coming up here. but let me just tell you a couldnae care less that they are, a widnae even go tae see this event and the "artists" if they were performing in ma back green in the calton. bunch a no marks. and that other no mark who wiz givin it the big man routine about glasgow and lacking colour, well if he wants tae come and meet me doon the gallowgate after ave bossed his face intae a wall there will be plenty a colour.”
****ing well said, from one weegie to another
Originally Posted by Kel'Thuzad:
“who gives a flying f**k? until a read this a wisnae even aware that this mob were coming up here. but let me just tell you a couldnae care less that they are, a widnae even go tae see this event and the "artists" if they were performing in ma back green in the calton. bunch a no marks. and that other no mark who wiz givin it the big man routine about glasgow and lacking colour, well if he wants tae come and meet me doon the gallowgate after ave bossed his face intae a wall there will be plenty a colour.”
“who gives a flying f**k? until a read this a wisnae even aware that this mob were coming up here. but let me just tell you a couldnae care less that they are, a widnae even go tae see this event and the "artists" if they were performing in ma back green in the calton. bunch a no marks. and that other no mark who wiz givin it the big man routine about glasgow and lacking colour, well if he wants tae come and meet me doon the gallowgate after ave bossed his face intae a wall there will be plenty a colour.”
Talk about giving Glasgow a good name
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I've travelled all over the UK and I find that comment really odd.
Maybe he's just never been to Glasgow, but I would say its one of the most multi-cultural cities in the UK.
Maybe he's just never been to Glasgow, but I would say its one of the most multi-cultural cities in the UK.
Originally Posted by emza101:
“Glasgow is the UK's 4th largest city, and is very multi-cultural, although admittedly it's more rock/indie/dance centred (I'm from Glasgow so feel qualified to give that opinion btw).
So this is the first year they have held the MOBOs outside of London - it's my recollection that the big US stars usually shun it every year anyway!”
“Glasgow is the UK's 4th largest city, and is very multi-cultural, although admittedly it's more rock/indie/dance centred (I'm from Glasgow so feel qualified to give that opinion btw).
So this is the first year they have held the MOBOs outside of London - it's my recollection that the big US stars usually shun it every year anyway!”
Yeh, its not like Beyonce or Kanye would turn up if it was in London.
What a plonker that man sounds. For one, when huge international acts come to the UK there tends to be 3 places they'll go to most often - the the MEN in Manchester, The O2 in London and the SECC IN GLASGOW! Surely the artists don't care where they perform as long as they get paid?
Plus, I think the "too white" comment is rather out of order.
But dang, I guess that's Blackpool out of the running for the MOBOs 2010
Plus, I think the "too white" comment is rather out of order.
But dang, I guess that's Blackpool out of the running for the MOBOs 2010
We all like a good music show no matter were it is held!
Will the female celebs go out looking for some boaby afterwards perhaps?
Will the female celebs go out looking for some boaby afterwards perhaps?
Why is it all urban and hip hop music? Most of which I can't stand, surely rock'n'roll and it's decendants are also "of black origin", mostly played by white people now though.
Originally Posted by MC_Satan:
“Why is it all urban and hip hop music? Most of which I can't stand, surely rock'n'roll and it's decendants are also "of black origin", mostly played by white people now though.”
“Why is it all urban and hip hop music? Most of which I can't stand, surely rock'n'roll and it's decendants are also "of black origin", mostly played by white people now though.”
Jimi Hendrix wouldn't get a look in if he was around today, it's obviously not 'of origin'
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