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Alex Burke's Album Tracklisting
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Alrightmate
04-10-2009
Originally Posted by omgwtfbbq:
“You can lead a horse to water but you can't make it drink. You can call them sheep if you want, if that makes you feel a little better about someone you don't like being successful, but no-one's going to buy any of Alexandra's music if they don't like her, and if they do like her then they will, of their own free will.”

You can if the horse wants some water and you don't show that horse the other places where it could drink from.
Alrightmate
04-10-2009
Originally Posted by Psychosis:
“Singing is an art. The vocal interpretation of a song is an art. When considering who is an artist you should be considering their interpretation of the song and how good their vocals are, rather than picking at whether they wrote the song or nott. Or do you propose that we put all song writers out of a job and end their careers unless they have a good voice?

Every single artist with a recording contract is a money making tool for a business. Every single one.”

Should I?
When listening to music how good their vocals are isn't the most important thing to me.
You're telling me that it should be.

I'm not just picking at whether they wrote the song are not, I think it's of central importance when creativity is taken away from a song writer.
At the moment I can still pick and choose, but if it got to the point where everybody just performed other people's songs and it was exclusive pressure by the industry that made it that way, then I think that would be very bad news indeed.
If the only music you had access to existed on a narrow set of formulas and tricks which are the most commercially viable then music as an art form would be dead.
Psychosis
04-10-2009
Originally Posted by Alrightmate:
“Should I?
When listening to music how good their vocals are isn't the most important thing to me.
You're telling me that it should be.

I'm not just picking at whether they wrote the song are not, I think it's of central importance when creativity is taken away from a song writer.
At the moment I can still pick and choose, but if it got to the point where everybody just performed other people's songs and it was exclusive pressure by the industry that made it that way, then I think that would be very bad news indeed.
If the only music you had access to existed on a narrow set of formulas and tricks which are the most commercially viable then music as an art form would be dead.”


I'm not telling you what music you should enjoy, I'm telling you what an artist is. A musical artist is not confined to a musical songwriter. There are many ways of being a musical artist.

I think it's great to have variety. Nothiing wrong with variety. Unless someone is absolutely awful (i.e. Britney, who doesn't even try to sing or write or do anything of note) I don't try to claim they're "not an artist".

Personally, my tastes range from commercial number ones, to 80s rock, to classical orchestral, to jazz vocal. I'm not the type of personal to label music. I listen to stuff I like and it doesn't matter in the slightest to me who wrote it.
musicdude
04-10-2009
Britney has written a fair share of songs but i agree in terms of not actually trying to sing.
Anika Hanson
04-10-2009
Originally Posted by Alrightmate:
“You can if the horse wants some water and you don't show that horse the other places where it could drink from.”

But in the case of Leona/Alexandra the horse has been to other sources of water but it was turned away. They had no other choice but to go on the x-factor. They have tried the traditional way (doing gigs, making demos) and they were unsuccesful.
Anika Hanson
04-10-2009
I also listen to a wide variety of music, from commercial and non commercial artists. And by people who wrtite/produce their own songs as well as those who dont. I think each song/artist needs to be judged on their own merits. You have to understand where the song is comming from and what it is trying to achieve. For example I like Oasis, Mariah Carey and Erykah Badu, but I would never compare them or their songs. Their material and levels of creativity are totally different and I would expect different offerings from each of them.
omgwtfbbq
04-10-2009
Originally Posted by Alrightmate:
“You can if the horse wants some water and you don't show that horse the other places where it could drink from.”

But unless you're extremely sheltered and only watch the X Factor and don't watch/listen to or read any other form of media whatsoever, including any advertisements that are on during the X Factor, then only in that case would X Factor artists be the only source of "water" that the "horse" has been shown.

And even if one were that sheltered, they'd have to go and purchase the music from shops - so they'd see lots of other CDs from other artists on the shelves, they'd hear other music actually being played in the store, even if they ordered a CD online they'd see offers from lots of other artists and again could be interested in buying other stuff too.

Maybe I've misunderstood what you've said, but if you're implying that a lot of people who would buy music from the likes of Alexandra, Leona or JLS only buy it because it's the only music they have ever heard, then that's a particularly weak argument imo. You also have to consider that not everyone who watches the X Factor actually likes every single person they see singing on it, even if they are as sheltered as I described at the start of my post.
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