Anton Du Beke in alleged Racist Slur (merged)

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barkley

07-10-2009

from Wiktionary

Quote:
“The abbreviation p*ki acquired offensive connotations in the 1960s when used by British tabloids to refer to subjects of former colony states in a derogatory and racist manner. In modern British usage "p*ki" is typically used in a derogatory way as a label for all South Asians, including Indians, Afghans and Bangladeshis. To a lesser extent, the term has been applied as a racial slur towards Arabs and other Middle Eastern-looking groups who may resemble South Asians. During the 60's many emigrants were also dubbed as "black" to further segregrate them from the white community. Some would say such a division still exists in parts of England.

In recent times there has been a trend by second and third-generation British Pakistanis to reclaim the word. The word has been turned into a keepsake for the young British Pakistani community that is not acceptable for someone outside the community to say it, including Indians and Bangladeshis.”

dome

07-10-2009

Tabloids? What a surprise................Not!

nanscombe

07-10-2009

Tabloids? Haemaroids more like.

ilovesooty

07-10-2009

Originally Posted by dome:
“Depending on what the real story is.”

I think it's an offensive word to use in any context in which Anton might have used it.

dome

07-10-2009

Originally Posted by ilovesooty:
“I think it's an offensive word to use in any context in which Anton might have used it.”

And if someone else had used it at the same timel? Should they get off scot free?

barkley

07-10-2009

Originally Posted by dome:
“Tabloids? What a surprise................Not!”

yep. its also a favourite term of abuse used by the National Front, the BNP, and any other scum-sucking racist bigots you could care to mention.

nanscombe

07-10-2009

Originally Posted by ilovesooty:
“I think it's an offensive word to use in any context in which Anton might have used it.”

Talking of Sooty, I thought I remembered an article about sooty

Quote:
“The Prince of Wales was rightly dismayed when Prince Harry described a fellow officer cadet at Sandhurst as a "P@*i" on a home video.

...

Yet Mandrake can disclose that the heir to throne and both of his sons belong to a club where one member is known by the possibly only marginally less offensive name of "Sooty".
"Charles, along with both of his boys, have called this chap Sooty because it is his nickname and he is perfectly comfortable with it," a fellow member of the Cirencester Polo Club whispers to me.”

ilovesooty

07-10-2009

I think anyone who uses the term in the workplace should be disciplined.

(In answer to Dome)

ilovesooty

07-10-2009

Originally Posted by nanscombe:
“Talking of Sooty, I thought I remembered an article about sooty”

I don't quite see why that's relevant.

dome

07-10-2009

Originally Posted by barkley:
“yep. its also a favourite term of abuse used by the National Front, the BNP, and any other scum-sucking racist bigots you could care to mention.”

It was a standard term in my youth, without any underlying racist intention, much like the 'N' word which was used to describe a certain colour of brown.

What surprises me is hearing the youth of today use either whatever colour of skin they have.

I'm always shocked when I hear Americans use the word spaz, but it seems to be common place over there.

strictly-comet

07-10-2009

Originally Posted by ilovesooty:
“I think anyone who uses the term in the workplace should be disciplined.

(In answer to Dome)”

including a pakistani? or is that ok?

dome

07-10-2009

Originally Posted by ilovesooty:
“I think anyone who uses the term in the workplace should be disciplined.

(In answer to Dome)”

Depends on the context and if anyone was actually offended as far as I'm concerned. Or should everyone's private conversations be monitored?

Let's hope no one says anything even slightly offensive when visiting the loos with a colleague/friend or you could find yourself out of a job by the time you get back to your desk.

ilovesooty

07-10-2009

Originally Posted by strictly-comet:
“including a pakistani? or is that ok?”

I don't think a pakistani should use it in the workplace either.

dome

07-10-2009

Originally Posted by ilovesooty:
“I don't think a pakistani should use it in the workplace either.”

Even if they are?

strictly-comet

07-10-2009

Originally Posted by dome:
“Depends on the context and if anyone was actually offended as far as I'm concerned. Or should everyone's private conversations be monitored?

Let's hope no one says anything even slightly offensive when visiting the loos with a colleague/friend or you could find yourself out of a job by the time you get back to your desk.”

i completely agree.
i know someone who lost there job because of something they posted on facebook.
the world has gone PC mad.
its sad when one slip of the tongue, with no intent whatsoever gets people shouting for heads to roll!

ilovesooty

07-10-2009

The conversation was reportedly heard by 15 or so people, and is now in the public domain.

And I don't think it matters in the workplace where offensive comments are made. If I heard someone use the word in the toilets I'd still report it.

nanscombe

07-10-2009

Originally Posted by ilovesooty:
“I don't quite see why that's relevant.”

The Telegraph seemed to think that the word Sooty was a racist name, used by the Prince of Wales, for an Asian friend of his. The friend seemed to think otherwise.

I thought that, based on that article, it was ironic that someone with sooty in their username was condemning racist names.

strictly-comet

07-10-2009

Originally Posted by ilovesooty:
“The conversation was reportedly heard by 15 or so people, and is now in the public domain.

And I don't think it matters in the workplace where offensive comments are made. If I heard someone use the word in the toilets I'd still report it.”

why though what has it got to do with you? it wasnt directed at you, why would you get involved?
people have the right to freedom of speech.

ilovesooty

07-10-2009

Originally Posted by dome:
“Even if they are?”

The word "p***" is unacceptable in the workplace: full stop.

ilovesooty

07-10-2009

Originally Posted by strictly-comet:
“why though what has it got to do with you? it wasnt directed at you, why would you get involved?
people have the right to freedom of speech.”

Does your company not have a whistleblowing policy?

ilovesooty

07-10-2009

Originally Posted by nanscombe:
“The Telegraph seemed to think that the word Sooty was a racist name, used by the Prince of Wales, for an Asian friend of his. The friend seemed to think otherwise.

I thought that, based on that article, it was ironic that someone with sooty in their username was condemning racist names.”

Really? Have you never seen "The Sooty Show"?

barkley

07-10-2009

Originally Posted by dome:
“It was a standard term in my youth, without any underlying racist intention, much like the 'N' word which was used to describe a certain colour of brown.”

so if you call someone a n*gger you're just referring to their shade of brown, yeah no racist connotation there at all then

strictly-comet

07-10-2009

Originally Posted by ilovesooty:
“Does your company not have a whistleblowing policy?”

i tend not to eavesdrop on private conversations.
and before you say anton was in front on 15 people, i already know. and i still dont think he was majorly in the wrong.
he said something off hand, slip of the tongue with no malicious intent. he then apologised and had his apology accepted. if laila (the so called 'victim') is happy to carry on, so should the rest of us.

dome

07-10-2009

Wonder if you'd feel the same if you made an inappropriate comment, that doesn't even have to have racial connotations.

We supposedly live in a country of equality after all.

I make mistakes and make inappropriate comments at times, I'm human and am not surprised that others do as well.

If the same thing happened time after time I'd be more worried.

BuddyBontheNet

07-10-2009

Originally Posted by BuddyBontheNet:
“I'd say it is dying down in the media (if not on here), but it has seriously damaged Anton's reputation and work prospects as people won't forget this furore.
Originally Posted by sueh21:
“I think it's going to depend on what sort of coverage there is after Laila is voted out,when and if she sells her story.
Originally Posted by strictly-comet:
“there isnt a story to sell though!”
”
”

I agree.

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