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Alesha sort out your grammar for goodness sake (Merged)
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SCD-Observer
03-10-2009
Originally Posted by reclinewithme:
“Disgraceful. Shocking. Outrageous! What is the world coming to? Ought not to be allowed. We cannot afford let standards slip like this. I won't be able to sleep now. I hope millions of people write to the BBC to complain.”

Daily hatemail readers are already jamming the phone lines, trust me.
reclinewithme
03-10-2009
Originally Posted by SCD-Observer:
“Daily hatemail readers are already jamming the phone lines, trust me. ”

Oh I do hope so! We simply cannot allow vulnerable viewers to be exposed to such atrocious grammar in this wanton and unforgiveable manner.
mrs. harry
03-10-2009
I was so pleased to see this thread, just to know that I'm not the only pedant!

Presumably, Alesha has advisors, and 'Strictly' certainly has a whole production team, so I think it would be an act of kindness if someone guided her over her poor grammar.

It's already been mentioned that she is bright, and she's obviously determined to succeed. I would have thought that, if she can learn all those dances, brushing up her speech would be a piece of cake!

I can't remeber who but someone tonight, possibly Tess, said 'should of' instead of 'should have' - another of my pet hates.
katie_p
03-10-2009
Originally Posted by Iphigenia:
“Yay for spelling and grammar nazis!

By the way, it's <<for goodness' sake>> (for the sake of goodness)”

I think there's an internet law to the effect that anyone who tries to post a criticism of someone's spelling or grammar will somehow make a mistake themselves in the process

Apparently it is called Muphry's law!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muphry's_law
-Sid-
03-10-2009
My dad pointed that out to me (I think older viewers are more particular about these things and notice them more).

And I do think that if you're in a position like Alesha is in, you need to pay attention to how you speak. It's a bit unprofessional to say 'you was.'

I'm sure it was just a one-off.
zankoku87
03-10-2009
Originally Posted by kopy-lover:
“But she don't. Do her?”

Well, even then, she's using the correct verb.

She's not used any malapropisms or defined a word incorrectly (flagellant does not mean "limp", Tess.), is what I meant.
Alli-F
03-10-2009
Originally Posted by -Sid-:
“My dad pointed that out to me.

And I do think that if you're in a position like Alesha is in, you need to pay attention to how you speak. It's a bit unprofessional to say 'you was.'

I'm sure it was just a one-off.”



I wish! She has done it consistently since she was a contestant on the show. It always irritated me, although I could live with it before she was a judge.
BruciesToupe
03-10-2009
I've posted about this on another thread, and yes, I agree, her grammar is really bad.

It isn't really acceptable, as it is really poor use of language. It's very distracting and you would have thought, that whilst under so much scrutiny, she could at least get her basic English right.

However, on a brighter note, her cackle was missing tonight and her actual comments were much improved!
Paace
03-10-2009
Originally Posted by -Sid-:
“My dad pointed that out to me.

And I do think that if you're in a position like Alesha is in, you need to pay attention to how you speak. It's a bit unprofessional to say 'you was.'

I'm sure it was just a one-off.”

I agree Sid. It doesn't look right to have an expert pointing out mistakes whilst making a lot herself in the process.

It wasn't a one-off, she's be saying it since the first week.
Alli-F
03-10-2009
Originally Posted by zankoku87:
“Well, even then, she's using the correct verb.

She's not used any malapropisms or defined a word incorrectly (flagellant does not mean "limp", Tess.), is what I meant.”


Wow, that's a bit of a mangled sentence. (just teasing )
zankoku87
03-10-2009
Originally Posted by Alli-F:
“Wow, that's a bit of a mangled sentence. (just teasing )”

Well, as has been pointed out, it's almost impossible to talk about other people's grammar without messing up yourself!
Psychosis
03-10-2009
Originally Posted by Alli-F:
“Children and young adults today have atrocious grammar and spelling skills and it does matter. ”

That's incredibly judgemental.

It's unfortunate, but terrible spelling and grammar together are a cancer for all generations. I know lots of older peoplw who can't spell to save their lives, and can just about grasp how to spell their own names. I cringe when my family talk to me without any sense of grammar. I cringe when I walk into a classroom and the teachers can't spell. I cringe when I get worksheets from university lecturers and they have apostrophes in the wrong places. I also cringe when young people use 'txt tlk' in actual speech or writing.

There are young people who have a fabulous grasp of spelling, punctuation and grammar. I'm a LOT younger than Alesha and I think it's incredibly important to communicate properly. My friends are the same way.
Dr. Jan Itor
03-10-2009
Originally Posted by *Janz*:
“I agree. Personally, I just see it as an idiosyncrasy. And like I've said in another thread, Brucie's been saying the catchphrase 'Nice to see you, to see you nice' for years now and nobody's banged on about how grammatically incorrect that is. ”

That's because Bruce's catchphrase is like poetry or a song lyric in that there is license to play with the rules of language and grammar to make phrasing work. It's not the same as using poor grammar in general speech.
rickster1995
03-10-2009
I noticed it too
valkay
03-10-2009
I don't mind Alesha but Tess's voice and accent really grate on me, and I come from the same county as she does.
*Janz*
03-10-2009
Originally Posted by Dr. Jan Itor:
“That's because Bruce's catchphrase is like poetry or a song lyric in that there is license to play with the rules of language and grammar to make phrasing work. It's not the same as using poor grammar in general speech.”

Very good point and I take that on board (that was just the first example that popped into my head, I realise now that I should have given it more thought )

This might just be me, but I think that the constant scrutiny Alesha is under and her nerves have made her grammar worse due to the fact that she's reverted to speaking in the way that is the most familiar to her (and possibly the most comfortable).

*shrug*

On the other hand, the cynic in me wants to attribute the poor grammar to being a construct of the BBC in an attempt to appeal to younger viewers (of the teenage demographic, perhaps? Yes, I know this is a sweeping generalisation, but being a member of this demographic, I find that it does actually work. I know that it shouldn't and that it is simply a ploy, but I find myself being able to relate to Alesha more through her speech and see it as endearing).

*hangs head in shame*
Dr. Jan Itor
03-10-2009
Originally Posted by *Janz*:
“Very good point and I take that on board (that was just the first example that popped into my head, I realise now that I should have given it more thought )

This might just be me, but I think that the constant scrutiny Alesha is under and her nerves have made her grammar worse due to the fact that she's reverted to speaking in the way that is the most familiar to her (and possibly the most comfortable).

*shrug*

On the other hand, the cynic in me wants to attribute the poor grammar to being a construct of the BBC in an attempt to appeal to younger viewers (of the teenage demographic, perhaps? Yes, I know this is a sweeping generalisation, but being a member of this demographic, I find that it does actually work. I know that it shouldn't and that it is simply a ploy, but I find myself being able to relate to Alesha more through her speech and see it as endearing).

*hangs head in shame* ”

I hope your cynical view isn't right, but since the BBC hired Alesha to appeal to a younger demographic I suppose it cannot be discounted. Even if they haven't encouraged it, maybe they haven't actively discouraged it as they normally would.

I think it is just Alesha being herself though. I hope this doesn't become a big issue though, because then she will find herself in the situation where if her grammar is poor she is criticised, and if it improves then she is accused of reading prepared speeches.
*Janz*
03-10-2009
Originally Posted by Dr. Jan Itor:
“I think it is just Alesha being herself though.”

This is what I'd really like to believe as well.

Originally Posted by Dr. Jan Itor:
“I hope this doesn't become a big issue though, because then she will find herself in the situation where if her grammar is poor she is criticised, and if it improves then she is accused of reading prepared speeches.”

Me too, it seems that she's stuck between a rock and a hard place in many areas of the show; which is a shame because she seems like such a bubbly and charismatic person and I don't think the viewers will be able to see that if she is constantly hyper aware of every 'mistake' she makes.
qwertyqueen
03-10-2009
Originally Posted by reclinewithme:
“Disgraceful. Shocking. Outrageous! What is the world coming to? Ought not to be allowed. We cannot afford let standards slip like this. I won't be able to sleep now. I hope millions of people write to the BBC to complain.”

People are allowed to criticise Alesha on here. You can keep your sarcasm and "wit" to yourself.
Tungsten
03-10-2009
It's as bad as the when the Jordan's say "done", when they mean "did."
soulmate61
03-10-2009
Originally Posted by shoesgirl:
“It didn't bother me at all.

I have a mute button and I know how to use it !”

Except for a total of 30 presses of the button in one night, 15 times off, 15 times back on.
Xassy
03-10-2009
I thought she done a good job.
zankoku87
03-10-2009
Originally Posted by Tungsten:
“It's as bad as the when the Jordan's say "done", when they mean "did."”

I think I'd give Ola a little leeway with that, to be fair.
Xassy
03-10-2009
Originally Posted by zankoku87:
“I think I'd give Ola a little leeway with that, to be fair.”

Especially as she probably learned a fair amount of English from James. IIRC, she could barely speak the language at all when she came to England.
shoesgirl
03-10-2009
Except for a total of 30 presses of the button in one night, 15 times off, 15 times back on.

It exercises the fingers Soulmate 61 - keeps my carpal tunnel syndrome in check
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