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Not that much of a fan of Alesha's judging, but I couldn't give a rat's titty about her grammar. That is the way she talks. I understood.
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[quote=Psychosis;35833784]My friends who speak English learned it in four main ways:
1. From a native German/Spanish speaker who speaks English academically Out of interest, how did that person/those people learn English?? |
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It didn't bother me at all.
I have a mute button and I know how to use it ! |
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Out of interest, how did that person/those people learn English??
Believe it or not, people can choose not to use the poor grammar of people that they learn from. With effort they can look at other sources and recognise what's right and what not, and pick which parts of that person's speech they use. My friends look at TV, at books, at me and our friends, and at English speaking people they come into contact with, and pull all the good threads that they can from them. |
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very interlectual thread isn't it
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Out of interest, how did that person/those people learn English??
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Once you picked up on her saying 'was' rather than 'were' it leapt out at you every time she said it. I guess it is a London accent which I suppose is no worse than Northerners dropping 'the' and say t'. I have to say I don't like it though.
Someone mentioned that she is a bright girl - I beg to differ; she was one on of those Saturday night quiz shows a couple of years ago, and even allowing for nerves she really was quite dense when it came to General Knowledge, embarassingly so! She make be quite savvy and street smart but it ends there. The person who said 'of' rather than 'have' was Craig, whilst talking to Tess. Stood out a mile. |
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Can I just ask whether Alesha's use of 'was' as opposed to 'were' is the only example of her poor grammar from the show? I didn't seem to notice it as much as other people have and was just wondering if there were any others?
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Aleeesha is well fick, but she is just keeping it real innit?
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Aleeesha is well fick, but she is just keeping it real innit?
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Can I just ask whether Alesha's use of 'was' as opposed to 'were' is the only example of her poor grammar from the show? I didn't seem to notice it as much as other people have and was just wondering if there were any others?
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Same here. She sounds irritating and nothing she says is likely to be particularly profound anyway.
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Once you picked up on her saying 'was' rather than 'were' it leapt out at you every time she said it. I guess it is a London accent which I suppose is no worse than Northerners dropping 'the' and say t'. I have to say I don't like it though.
I agree that it jumped out at you every time she said it, and then I would think about that rather than listen to the rest of her comments. I think it is unacceptable on prime time BBC. |
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Personally, I think she is very articulate, clear and well-understood; everyone has a little blip in the linguistic abilities, even her Maj with her famous "We are not amused" when she really means I.
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Kettle - pot?
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Someone mentioned that she is a bright girl - I beg to differ; she was one on of those Saturday night quiz shows a couple of years ago, and even allowing for nerves she really was quite dense when it came to General Knowledge, embarassingly so! She make be quite savvy and street smart but it ends there.
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Aleeesha is well fick, but she is just keeping it real innit?
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But is general knowledge a measure of intelligence? And also, in regards to the 'street smart' comment, Catell proposed in his theory of intelligence that being street wise and street smarts are an aspect of true intelligence (he called it 'crystallised intelligence')
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originally identified by Raymond Cattell. Fluid intelligence is the ability to find meaning in confusion and solve new problems. It is the ability to draw inferences and understand the relationships of various concepts, independent of acquired knowledge. Crystallized intelligence is the ability to use skills, knowledge, and experience. It should not be equated with memory or knowledge, but it does rely on accessing information from long-term memory. ....... they are believed to be separate neural and mental systems. |
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Once you picked up on her saying 'was' rather than 'were' it leapt out at you every time she said it. I guess it is a London accent which I suppose is no worse than Northerners dropping 'the' and say t'. I have to say I don't like it though.
Someone mentioned that she is a bright girl - I beg to differ; she was one on of those Saturday night quiz shows a couple of years ago, and even allowing for nerves she really was quite dense when it came to General Knowledge, embarassingly so! She make be quite savvy and street smart but it ends there. The person who said 'of' rather than 'have' was Craig, whilst talking to Tess. Stood out a mile. I agree re Alesha's lack of general knowledge - thick as two planks. Lucky she looks like she does or she's another one who would be working on the tills |
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crystallized_intelligence
Animals have no book learning, but animal cunning should not be underestimated. ![]() Also, Wikipedia is not infallible. It was Spearman that developed the factors of intelligence which Horn and Cattel identified as 'fluid' or 'crystallised' intelligence. And just to make clear, I didn't argue that book smarts are a form of true intelligence either (IQ and psychometric tests don't seem to take much stock in that either). But, it seems we've slightly gone off topic here, so I'll refrain from making any more comments that aren't to do with her grammar
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I teach English to French students and Alesha's grammar really grates on me. Last night she said something along the lines of "you dance really natural" aaargh she should have said "you dance really naturally". Of course, the "you was great" is unforgivable !
I know that some people think it's no big deal but it is, sort it out Alesha. |
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Ultimately there is the bottom line.
At the moment the public are in disagreement, whether she has outsmarted the BBC, outsmarted her followers, or outsmarted herself. |
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Can I just ask whether Alesha's use of 'was' as opposed to 'were' is the only example of her poor grammar from the show? I didn't seem to notice it as much as other people have and was just wondering if there were any others?
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I only listened to her comment once last night and heard her use a 'was' when a 'were' was needed
and it got on my nerves even then. I hate people not speaking correctly - especially on television. Sort it out please Alesha, you're not exactly flavour of the month as it is |
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Made me cringe, I have to say. I think it's partly because she puts such an emphasis on the "was" when she speaks...
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