'BT targets ITV takeover'

jimbob_ · 04-10-2009, 22:14

http://www.express.co.uk/posts/view/...s-ITV-takeover

paulbeattie87 · 04-10-2009, 22:41

Sounds good to me! Will give me an alternative way to watch ITV programming instead of the nonsense shown here by STV.

darkjedimaster · 04-10-2009, 22:55

If they do this & start charging for it, then it will only encourage piracy as customers won't be getting their money's worth from the license fee.

wwwebber · 05-10-2009, 08:11

Quote:

Originally Posted by darkjedimaster

If they do this & start charging for it, then it will only encourage piracy as customers won't be getting their money's worth from the license fee.

Sky charge for its content so why not ITV ?.

Anyway - this is quite interesting and if it is true then BT seems to want get serious with broadcasting. Let's wait and see what happens.

noise747 · 05-10-2009, 09:18

Quote:

Originally Posted by darkjedimaster

If they do this & start charging for it, then it will only encourage piracy as customers won't be getting their money's worth from the license fee.

Correct, I know the licence fee only payts for the BBC, but for that money people expect to watch at least ITV1 and Channel 4 for that money. If ITV1 goes to pay T.v then it will be time to get rid of the BBC tax and let the BBC go as a pay T.V service.

I think BT taking over ITV would be a bad thing unless it they put it on more than one platform. BTvision is not that good and not everyone will want broadband, which is what they will need to get BTVision.

stuntmaster · 05-10-2009, 10:28

Quote:

Originally Posted by noise747

Correct, I know the licence fee only payts for the BBC, but for that money people expect to watch at least ITV1 and Channel 4 for that money. If ITV1 goes to pay T.v then it will be time to get rid of the BBC tax and let the BBC go as a pay T.V service.

I think BT taking over ITV would be a bad thing unless it they put it on more than one platform. BTvision is not that good and not everyone will want broadband, which is what they will need to get BTVision.

Sky aint that good i can't get that either, Don't wan't a dish. don't see sky being on every platform;

lol works both ways.

wwwebber · 05-10-2009, 10:31

Quote:

Originally Posted by stuntmaster

Skay aint that good i can't get that either, Don't wan't a dish. don't see sky being on every pletform;

lol works both ways.

You also need a TV License to watch any of them so that counts Noise out anyway lol

spaceman05 · 05-10-2009, 11:23

How long before the usual post about it never gonna happen as bt have no money will appear, i am quite surprised this thread has lasted 13 hours without it, maybe the usual suspect is on holiday

MrGiles2 · 05-10-2009, 12:07

Its a wind-up, just iggie it

wwwebber · 05-10-2009, 12:24

Quote:

Originally Posted by spaceman05

How long before the usual post about it never gonna happen as bt have no money will appear, i am quite surprised this thread has lasted 13 hours without it, maybe the usual suspect is on holiday

Because he's been banned - maybe permanently

johnson293 · 05-10-2009, 14:30

So let me get this right - if this happens, does that mean all of the ITV channels will only be available via a pay platform (BTV and Sky or Virgin, etc if they sell them to them)?

Can't see Freeview customers being too happy at that.

After all, this isn't Sky One, or Virgin1, or UK Gold, etc - this is ITV that has been part of national tv since the 50's and long before Pay TV (as we know it) - and suddenly people will be expected to pay to watch it??

Good luck with that!

wwwebber · 05-10-2009, 15:07

Quote:

Originally Posted by johnson293

So let me get this right - if this happens, does that mean all of the ITV channels will only be available via a pay platform (BTV and Sky or Virgin, etc if they sell them to them)?

Can't see Freeview customers being too happy at that.

After all, this isn't Sky One, or Virgin1, or UK Gold, etc - this is ITV that has been part of national tv since the 50's and long before Pay TV (as we know it) - and suddenly people will be expected to pay to watch it??

Good luck with that!

No one really knows - it's all guesswork right now.

stuntmaster · 05-10-2009, 15:09

Quote:

Originally Posted by wwwebber

Because he's been banned - maybe permanently

Yes he has by the looks of it. got another alias on watch tho. its tested the water and decided to hold back. but it did make 3 posts. one about how crap setanta was, and two referecing signing up to sky... join date was Jul 2009.

Like i said matterhorn did slip past the ip detection very well, he was on sky bb, then went to BT; he'd got himself banned on sky bb, but upon re-registering it was under BT. so it looked like a genuine new user. the real and only way to tell is by doing a traceback it would point to the same physical location, so i guess DS used that to weed him out.

in other words enjoy it whilst it lasts, no doubt he will be back.

like i said, his posts were a bit intrusive. I know Noise can sometimes make a point, but then he has a valid point since he has no TV licence, and thus his posts come from a totally different perspective.

nice and peaceful at last.

noise747 · 05-10-2009, 19:06

Quote:

Originally Posted by stuntmaster

Sky aint that good i can't get that either, Don't wan't a dish. don't see sky being on every platform;

lol works both ways.

TBH, the Sky system works far better than BTV, but as you said not everyone wants a dish or want Sky

If BT did end up buying ITV,, somehow I don't think it will happen, but if they did they would have to make it available to other platforms.

You forget to get Sky all you need is a dish, you don't need no phone line, but it will cost you more to have it installed, you don't need broadband, just a dish and box.

noise747 · 05-10-2009, 19:09

Quote:

Originally Posted by wwwebber

You also need a TV License to watch any of them so that counts Noise out anyway lol

Nothing worth watching on ITV anyway, I been using Iplayer a fair bit mind you, now that it uses the PS3 hardware it is pretty good.

So nice of you to pay your licence so I can watch Iplayer.

foxkilla · 05-10-2009, 20:42

Quote:

Originally Posted by wwwebber

Because he's been banned - maybe permanently

Lets hope so.....

foxkilla · 05-10-2009, 20:46

If Bt do aquire TV then it would then be a whloesale product, this would encourage ofcom to force SKY to wholesale there sport channels, just a thought!

zx50 · 05-10-2009, 20:53

Quote:

Originally Posted by wwwebber

Sky charge for its content so why not ITV ?.

Anyway - this is quite interesting and if it is true then BT seems to want get serious with broadcasting. Let's wait and see what happens.

The difference between Sky and BT, is that you get ITV and the other previous analogue channels for free. If individual channel stations starts charging, you'll end up with a hefty bill each month. If this happens, it WILL encourage piracy a LOT more.

techsmedders · 05-10-2009, 21:00

I really dont see this happening. I think it would cost far to much money and Corronation Street, X Factor, etc... would loose loads of viewers. And besides, its only shows like these that get high advertising revenue or ITV at the moment so this would drop off with the reduction in viewers. Thats before the issues of piracy

scotty2808 · 05-10-2009, 22:28

I don't think that ITV would become a pay tv station outright - it would likely lose it custom.

what would make sense is the add ons it can provide -

X Factor Subscription
Coronation Street Back Catalogue Subscription

etc.

That would create revenue streams as talked about in media stories as part of potential possibilities with the Canvas project.

If it did become pay TV post digital switchover, then there is the potential to play the Sky game as they did with Virgin media and generate a fee per month per subscriber from Sky/Virgin media.

iGareth · 05-10-2009, 22:34

Quote:

Originally Posted by noise747

Nothing worth watching on ITV anyway, I been using Iplayer a fair bit mind you, now that it uses the PS3 hardware it is pretty good.

So nice of you to pay your licence so I can watch Iplayer.

You need a TV licence to watch BBC iPlayer.

scotty2808 · 05-10-2009, 22:46

Quote:

Originally Posted by iGareth

You need a TV licence to watch BBC iPlayer.

whether or not that is true, it's almost unenforceable within the UK. suppose we can be happy with geo IP identification to limit it to these isles.

i am surprised though as she's said there's nothing worth watching on BBC.

i also found out that the BBC News/Sport pages have paid for advertising outside of the UK. this suggests that within the UK its for licence fee payers.

iGareth · 05-10-2009, 22:59

Quote:

Originally Posted by scotty2808

whether or not that is true, it's almost unenforceable within the UK. suppose we can be happy with geo IP identification to limit it to these isles.

i am surprised though as she's said there's nothing worth watching on BBC.

i also found out that the BBC News/Sport pages have paid for advertising outside of the UK. this suggests that within the UK its for licence fee payers.

Only reason I happen to know is I heard an 'advert' on BBC Radio 1 aimed at new UNI students. It went along the lines of all the things you can watch and listen too on the iPlayer... then ends saying with your TV Licence your 'free' to watch as much as you want..

Quote:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/8270663.stm

"The cost of the BBC iPlayer is covered by the licence fee, so UK users have already paid for this service," said a spokesperson.

noise747 · 06-10-2009, 09:17

Quote:

Originally Posted by iGareth

You need a TV licence to watch BBC iPlayer.

I suggest you go to the TVL website and read some information.

The only time I would need a licence to watch BBC Iplayer is if I am watching live streams, so like I am watching HIGNFY at the same time as it is being broadcasted on T.V.

But for content that have already been broadcasted, no licence is needed.

noise747 · 06-10-2009, 09:21

Quote:

Originally Posted by scotty2808

whether or not that is true, it's almost unenforceable within the UK. suppose we can be happy with geo IP identification to limit it to these isles.

i am surprised though as she's said there's nothing worth watching on BBC.

I am a he, not a she and most of the time there is nothing worth watching on the BBC.

I watch HIGNFY, The Hairy Bakers and to be honest that is about it.
[q]
i also found out that the BBC News/Sport pages have paid for advertising outside of the UK. this suggests that within the UK its for licence fee payers.[/quote]

Correct, but still free for anyone to use inside the u.k, licence payer or not, because there is no way they can stop people from accessing it.

I suppose they could ask the T.V licence number.

Anyway, off topic.

I still don't think that BTV will buy ITV and even if they did, I don't think ITV1 would go on subscription, it would lose too many viewers.

04-10-2009, 22:14	#1
jimbob_ Forum Member Join Date: Jan 2007 Posts: 48	'BT targets ITV takeover' http://www.express.co.uk/posts/view/...s-ITV-takeover

04-10-2009, 22:41	#2
paulbeattie87 Forum Member Join Date: Aug 2006 Posts: 1,215	Sounds good to me! Will give me an alternative way to watch ITV programming instead of the nonsense shown here by STV.

04-10-2009, 22:55	#3
darkjedimaster Forum Member Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: The Deathstar Posts: 15,398	If they do this & start charging for it, then it will only encourage piracy as customers won't be getting their money's worth from the license fee.

05-10-2009, 08:11	#4
wwwebber Forum Member Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: Nottingham Posts: 3,536	Quote: Originally Posted by darkjedimaster If they do this & start charging for it, then it will only encourage piracy as customers won't be getting their money's worth from the license fee. Sky charge for its content so why not ITV ?. Anyway - this is quite interesting and if it is true then BT seems to want get serious with broadcasting. Let's wait and see what happens.

05-10-2009, 09:18	#5
noise747 Forum Member Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Herefordshire Posts: 22,810	Quote: Originally Posted by darkjedimaster If they do this & start charging for it, then it will only encourage piracy as customers won't be getting their money's worth from the license fee. Correct, I know the licence fee only payts for the BBC, but for that money people expect to watch at least ITV1 and Channel 4 for that money. If ITV1 goes to pay T.v then it will be time to get rid of the BBC tax and let the BBC go as a pay T.V service. I think BT taking over ITV would be a bad thing unless it they put it on more than one platform. BTvision is not that good and not everyone will want broadband, which is what they will need to get BTVision.

05-10-2009, 10:28	#6
stuntmaster Forum Member Join Date: May 2005 Location: Southampton - Hannington - TX Posts: 4,878	Quote: Originally Posted by noise747 Correct, I know the licence fee only payts for the BBC, but for that money people expect to watch at least ITV1 and Channel 4 for that money. If ITV1 goes to pay T.v then it will be time to get rid of the BBC tax and let the BBC go as a pay T.V service. I think BT taking over ITV would be a bad thing unless it they put it on more than one platform. BTvision is not that good and not everyone will want broadband, which is what they will need to get BTVision. Sky aint that good i can't get that either, Don't wan't a dish. don't see sky being on every platform; lol works both ways.

05-10-2009, 10:31	#7
wwwebber Forum Member Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: Nottingham Posts: 3,536	Quote: Originally Posted by stuntmaster Skay aint that good i can't get that either, Don't wan't a dish. don't see sky being on every pletform; lol works both ways. You also need a TV License to watch any of them so that counts Noise out anyway lol

05-10-2009, 11:23	#8
spaceman05 Forum Member Join Date: Feb 2009 Posts: 1,113	How long before the usual post about it never gonna happen as bt have no money will appear, i am quite surprised this thread has lasted 13 hours without it, maybe the usual suspect is on holiday

05-10-2009, 12:07	#9
MrGiles2 Forum Member Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Teesside Posts: 1,940	Its a wind-up, just iggie it

05-10-2009, 12:24	#10
wwwebber Forum Member Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: Nottingham Posts: 3,536	Quote: Originally Posted by spaceman05 How long before the usual post about it never gonna happen as bt have no money will appear, i am quite surprised this thread has lasted 13 hours without it, maybe the usual suspect is on holiday Because he's been banned - maybe permanently

05-10-2009, 14:30	#11
johnson293 Forum Member Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Newcastle upon Tyne Posts: 1,243	So let me get this right - if this happens, does that mean all of the ITV channels will only be available via a pay platform (BTV and Sky or Virgin, etc if they sell them to them)? Can't see Freeview customers being too happy at that. After all, this isn't Sky One, or Virgin1, or UK Gold, etc - this is ITV that has been part of national tv since the 50's and long before Pay TV (as we know it) - and suddenly people will be expected to pay to watch it?? Good luck with that!

05-10-2009, 15:07	#12
wwwebber Forum Member Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: Nottingham Posts: 3,536	Quote: Originally Posted by johnson293 So let me get this right - if this happens, does that mean all of the ITV channels will only be available via a pay platform (BTV and Sky or Virgin, etc if they sell them to them)? Can't see Freeview customers being too happy at that. After all, this isn't Sky One, or Virgin1, or UK Gold, etc - this is ITV that has been part of national tv since the 50's and long before Pay TV (as we know it) - and suddenly people will be expected to pay to watch it?? Good luck with that! No one really knows - it's all guesswork right now.

05-10-2009, 15:09	#13
stuntmaster Forum Member Join Date: May 2005 Location: Southampton - Hannington - TX Posts: 4,878	Quote: Originally Posted by wwwebber Because he's been banned - maybe permanently Yes he has by the looks of it. got another alias on watch tho. its tested the water and decided to hold back. but it did make 3 posts. one about how crap setanta was, and two referecing signing up to sky... join date was Jul 2009. Like i said matterhorn did slip past the ip detection very well, he was on sky bb, then went to BT; he'd got himself banned on sky bb, but upon re-registering it was under BT. so it looked like a genuine new user. the real and only way to tell is by doing a traceback it would point to the same physical location, so i guess DS used that to weed him out. in other words enjoy it whilst it lasts, no doubt he will be back. like i said, his posts were a bit intrusive. I know Noise can sometimes make a point, but then he has a valid point since he has no TV licence, and thus his posts come from a totally different perspective. nice and peaceful at last.

05-10-2009, 19:06	#14
noise747 Forum Member Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Herefordshire Posts: 22,810	Quote: Originally Posted by stuntmaster Sky aint that good i can't get that either, Don't wan't a dish. don't see sky being on every platform; lol works both ways. TBH, the Sky system works far better than BTV, but as you said not everyone wants a dish or want Sky If BT did end up buying ITV,, somehow I don't think it will happen, but if they did they would have to make it available to other platforms. You forget to get Sky all you need is a dish, you don't need no phone line, but it will cost you more to have it installed, you don't need broadband, just a dish and box.

05-10-2009, 19:09	#15
noise747 Forum Member Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Herefordshire Posts: 22,810	Quote: Originally Posted by wwwebber You also need a TV License to watch any of them so that counts Noise out anyway lol Nothing worth watching on ITV anyway, I been using Iplayer a fair bit mind you, now that it uses the PS3 hardware it is pretty good. So nice of you to pay your licence so I can watch Iplayer.

05-10-2009, 20:42	#16
foxkilla Forum Member Join Date: Feb 2007 Posts: 286	Quote: Originally Posted by wwwebber Because he's been banned - maybe permanently Lets hope so.....

05-10-2009, 20:46	#17
foxkilla Forum Member Join Date: Feb 2007 Posts: 286	If Bt do aquire TV then it would then be a whloesale product, this would encourage ofcom to force SKY to wholesale there sport channels, just a thought!

05-10-2009, 20:53	#18
zx50 Forum Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: County Durham Posts: 78,630	Quote: Originally Posted by wwwebber Sky charge for its content so why not ITV ?. Anyway - this is quite interesting and if it is true then BT seems to want get serious with broadcasting. Let's wait and see what happens. The difference between Sky and BT, is that you get ITV and the other previous analogue channels for free. If individual channel stations starts charging, you'll end up with a hefty bill each month. If this happens, it WILL encourage piracy a LOT more.

05-10-2009, 21:00	#19
techsmedders Forum Member Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Chesterfield Posts: 422	I really dont see this happening. I think it would cost far to much money and Corronation Street, X Factor, etc... would loose loads of viewers. And besides, its only shows like these that get high advertising revenue or ITV at the moment so this would drop off with the reduction in viewers. Thats before the issues of piracy

05-10-2009, 22:28	#20
scotty2808 Forum Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Posts: 435	I don't think that ITV would become a pay tv station outright - it would likely lose it custom. what would make sense is the add ons it can provide - X Factor Subscription Coronation Street Back Catalogue Subscription etc. That would create revenue streams as talked about in media stories as part of potential possibilities with the Canvas project. If it did become pay TV post digital switchover, then there is the potential to play the Sky game as they did with Virgin media and generate a fee per month per subscriber from Sky/Virgin media.

05-10-2009, 22:34	#21
iGareth Forum Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Posts: 225	Quote: Originally Posted by noise747 Nothing worth watching on ITV anyway, I been using Iplayer a fair bit mind you, now that it uses the PS3 hardware it is pretty good. So nice of you to pay your licence so I can watch Iplayer. You need a TV licence to watch BBC iPlayer.

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'BT targets ITV takeover'

05-10-2009, 22:46	#22
scotty2808 Forum Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Posts: 435	Quote: Originally Posted by iGareth You need a TV licence to watch BBC iPlayer. whether or not that is true, it's almost unenforceable within the UK. suppose we can be happy with geo IP identification to limit it to these isles. i am surprised though as she's said there's nothing worth watching on BBC. i also found out that the BBC News/Sport pages have paid for advertising outside of the UK. this suggests that within the UK its for licence fee payers.

05-10-2009, 22:59	#23
iGareth Forum Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Posts: 225	Quote: Originally Posted by scotty2808 whether or not that is true, it's almost unenforceable within the UK. suppose we can be happy with geo IP identification to limit it to these isles. i am surprised though as she's said there's nothing worth watching on BBC. i also found out that the BBC News/Sport pages have paid for advertising outside of the UK. this suggests that within the UK its for licence fee payers. Only reason I happen to know is I heard an 'advert' on BBC Radio 1 aimed at new UNI students. It went along the lines of all the things you can watch and listen too on the iPlayer... then ends saying with your TV Licence your 'free' to watch as much as you want.. Quote: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/8270663.stm "The cost of the BBC iPlayer is covered by the licence fee, so UK users have already paid for this service," said a spokesperson.

06-10-2009, 09:17	#24
noise747 Forum Member Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Herefordshire Posts: 22,810	Quote: Originally Posted by iGareth You need a TV licence to watch BBC iPlayer. I suggest you go to the TVL website and read some information. The only time I would need a licence to watch BBC Iplayer is if I am watching live streams, so like I am watching HIGNFY at the same time as it is being broadcasted on T.V. But for content that have already been broadcasted, no licence is needed.

06-10-2009, 09:21	#25
noise747 Forum Member Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Herefordshire Posts: 22,810	Quote: Originally Posted by scotty2808 whether or not that is true, it's almost unenforceable within the UK. suppose we can be happy with geo IP identification to limit it to these isles. i am surprised though as she's said there's nothing worth watching on BBC. I am a he, not a she and most of the time there is nothing worth watching on the BBC. I watch HIGNFY, The Hairy Bakers and to be honest that is about it. [q] i also found out that the BBC News/Sport pages have paid for advertising outside of the UK. this suggests that within the UK its for licence fee payers.[/quote] Correct, but still free for anyone to use inside the u.k, licence payer or not, because there is no way they can stop people from accessing it. I suppose they could ask the T.V licence number. Anyway, off topic. I still don't think that BTV will buy ITV and even if they did, I don't think ITV1 would go on subscription, it would lose too many viewers.