connecting a panasonic VCR and DVD recorder to a sky box

Jason88 · 06-10-2009, 06:26

can someone please tell me the best way without losing recording quality
how to connect a panasonic VCR (NV-HV61) and DVD recorder (DMRES10)
so they are looped thought each other (meaning i only need to use one scart socket on the sky box)
and be able to record to both units from the sky box

thank you

StoppingService · 08-10-2009, 04:25

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StoppingService · 08-10-2009, 05:46

Hi

Scarts

Sky "TV Scart" - DVDR "Decoder Scart" - DVDR "TV Scart" - VCR "Decoder Scart" - VCR "TV Scart" - TV "AV1 Scart"

Reasoning:

Shortest path length for RGB signals from Sky to DVDR; no opportunity for VCR to fail to pass-thru RGB to DVDR.

Maximises circumstances in which Sky can be recorded to DVDR, whilst other activities take place (e.g. Allows analogue terrestrial recording on / playback of VCR, whilst Sky is recorded to DVDR).

Tip

If ghostly flickering coloured shapes (or worse, a discernible interfering picture) is visible when viewing any of the three (DVDR/Sky/VCR) sources, cut the wire to Pin 19 inside the Scart plug inserted into the TV. Probably best then label it, "TV end only".

Aerial/RF

Aerial - DVDR - Sky "Aerial" - Sky "RF1" - VCR - TV

Reasoning:

Cleanest possible aerial signal to DVDR; no modulator in DVDR to jam any terrestrial signals (analogue or Freeview!).

Whilst DVDR records an analogue terrestrial station with own tuner, a (mono-aural) Sky to VCR recording is still possible (using the Sky's RF modulated output). This requires a spare tuner preset on the VCR to be tuned to the Sky unit.

Whilst (one or both of) the DVDR and VCR are recording analogue terrestrial, the TV can display a live Sky channel (using Sky's RF modulated output). This requires a spare analogue tuner preset on the TV to be tuned to the Sky unit.

Tip

All these interconnecting leads will be male-female (AKA plug-socket) except the first, which'll be male-male (AKA plug-plug).

Notes

To record Sky to DVDR or VCR, set the appropriate recorder's Input Selector to its "Decoder Scart", which maybe referred as "A2" on its display. Recording to both simultaneously is possible!

When either (or both) the DVDR or VCR isn't in use, they can be in Standby and live Sky viewing should still be possible via the TV's "Scart" socket.

When recording analogue terrestrial using the DVDR's own tuner, it'll be necessary to activate the DVDR's "pass-thru" function to allow the best quality Sky signal to reach the VCR and TV at the same time. The DVDR remote control button for this is sometimes labelled "Ext", "Aux", or "Scart". It causes the signal entering the DVDR's "Decoder Scart" (from the Sky unit) to be passed-thru to its "TV Scart" even though it still records from its own terrestrial tuner.

If you have a digital/Freeview TV and find that some terrestrial channels which are available with the aerial directly into it, give "No Signal" with the aerial looped-thru the equipment, then (either or both of) the Sky and VCR need their "Output RF Channel" altering to a different value. Search DS for the method.

Regards

StoppingService · 08-10-2009, 05:58

Hi

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jason88

can someone please tell me the best way ... to connect ... meaning i only need to use one scart socket on the sky box

Why must the Sky's "VCR Scart" be kept unused?

Are you using an AV sender on it - or something?

Regards

bobcar · 08-10-2009, 09:10

I would just connect as follows.

Sky TV SCART ---> DVDR AV2
DVDR AV1 ---> TV RGB SCART
Sky VCR SCART ---> VCR SCART

As stopping Service asked, why must the Sky VCR SCART be unused?

skinj · 08-10-2009, 18:46

Quote:

Originally Posted by bobcar

I would just connect as follows.

Sky TV SCART ---> DVDR AV2
DVDR AV1 ---> TV RGB SCART
Sky VCR SCART ---> VCR SCART

As stopping Service asked, why must the Sky VCR SCART be unused?

Problem here is that the DVD will block the Sky image if recording 1-5 analogue, although this is only a short term issue!!

bobcar · 08-10-2009, 19:06

Quote:

Originally Posted by skinj

Problem here is that the DVD will block the Sky image if recording 1-5 analogue, although this is only a short term issue!!

What do you mean 1-5 analogue?

If you mean terrestrial analogue TV then most DVDRs will allow pass through when recording off their own tuners. If you mean any of the other inputs then yes but there is no way of recording RGB without this happening.

b.lever · 08-10-2009, 21:26

Quote:

Originally Posted by bobcar

What do you mean 1-5 analogue?

If you mean terrestrial analogue TV then most DVDRs will allow pass through when recording off their own tuners. If you mean any of the other inputs then yes but there is no way of recording RGB without this happening.

Stick with bobcar he sorted my problems out .

StoppingService · 09-10-2009, 03:48

Hi

@ b.lever

Quote:

Originally Posted by b.lever

Stick with bobcar he sorted my problems out .

Except he didn't conform to the brief!

Quote:

Originally Posted by bobcar

Sky TV SCART ---> DVDR AV2

Sky VCR SCART ---> VCR SCART

@ bobcar

Quote:

Originally Posted by bobcar

As StoppingService asked, why must the Sky VCR SCART be unused?

I originally posted a "loom" using both Sky Scart sockets (like yours) then revised my suggestion so as to fulfil the OP's requirements - in case he's using the second Sky Scart for purposes unstated!

Regards

Jason88 · 11-10-2009, 09:37

i only wanted to use one scart socket on the sky box because i wantd the DVD recorder looped thought the VCR so the picture passes thought the VCR to the DVD recorder

i have tried it this way

sky box TV - to AV1 of my TV
Sky box VCR - to AV1 of my vcr

then i put a scart from the AV2 of the VCR to AV2 of the DVD recorder
so to record sky i put the VCR on AV1 and the picure passes thought to the DVD recorder but i how found there is a drop in picture quality (recordings look poorer then the sky box set to PAL)

is there anythink i can do to make the DVD recorder record better quality with it passing thought the VCR?

thanks

bobcar · 11-10-2009, 11:22

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jason88

i only wanted to use one scart socket on the sky box because i wantd the DVD recorder looped thought the VCR so the picture passes thought the VCR to the DVD recorder

i have tried it this way

sky box TV - to AV1 of my TV
Sky box VCR - to AV1 of my vcr

then i put a scart from the AV2 of the VCR to AV2 of the DVD recorder
so to record sky i put the VCR on AV1 and the picure passes thought to the DVD recorder but i how found there is a drop in picture quality (recordings look poorer then the sky box set to PAL)

is there anythink i can do to make the DVD recorder record better quality with it passing thought the VCR?

thanks

The way I suggested you connect them will give the best recording and playback quality but make sure everything is set to RGB.

EDIT: I should make absolutely clear that it is the output SCART of the VCR that should be connected to the Sky VCR SCART not the input SCART of the VCR (you can also record off the output SCART).

The only thing you can't do with this set up is record from the DVDR to the VCR the other way round is no problem. To play a VCR or to record to DVDR from it simply press play on the VCR and it will route through the SCARTS (note that since the VCR is composite only you will have to temporarily set the DVDR input to PAL).

If you want to record from the DVDR to the VCR as well as the other way round then you will need to use a SCART switcher but this is a more unusual requirement.

bobcar · 11-10-2009, 11:29

Quote:

Originally Posted by StoppingService

I originally posted a "loom" using both Sky Scart sockets (like yours) then revised my suggestion so as to fulfil the OP's requirements - in case he's using the second Sky Scart for purposes unstated!

Regards

Even then you could probably connect to the input SCART of the VCR to playback, the only thing you wouldn't get would be the Sky output.

StoppingService · 11-10-2009, 12:12

Hi

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jason88

is there anythink i can do to make the DVD recorder record better quality with it passing thought the VCR?

No. Don't pass the signal through the VCR to the DVDR. Do what I suggested before, which allows both the DVD & VCR to record in their respective best qualities.

Quote:

Originally Posted by StoppingService

Reasoning:

Shortest path length for RGB signals from Sky to DVDR; no opportunity for VCR to fail to pass-thru RGB to DVDR.

And read the notes about how to make use of the connections I suggested.

Regards

06-10-2009, 06:26	#1
Jason88 Forum Member Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 3	connecting a panasonic VCR and DVD recorder to a sky box can someone please tell me the best way without losing recording quality how to connect a panasonic VCR (NV-HV61) and DVD recorder (DMRES10) so they are looped thought each other (meaning i only need to use one scart socket on the sky box) and be able to record to both units from the sky box thank you

08-10-2009, 04:25	#2
StoppingService Forum Member Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Western Anglia; Sandy Heath TX Posts: 1,471	..... Last edited by StoppingService : 08-10-2009 at 04:50. Reason: Needed tweaking and editing period soon to expire!

08-10-2009, 05:46	#3
StoppingService Forum Member Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Western Anglia; Sandy Heath TX Posts: 1,471	Hi Scarts Sky "TV Scart" - DVDR "Decoder Scart" - DVDR "TV Scart" - VCR "Decoder Scart" - VCR "TV Scart" - TV "AV1 Scart" Reasoning: Shortest path length for RGB signals from Sky to DVDR; no opportunity for VCR to fail to pass-thru RGB to DVDR. Maximises circumstances in which Sky can be recorded to DVDR, whilst other activities take place (e.g. Allows analogue terrestrial recording on / playback of VCR, whilst Sky is recorded to DVDR). Tip If ghostly flickering coloured shapes (or worse, a discernible interfering picture) is visible when viewing any of the three (DVDR/Sky/VCR) sources, cut the wire to Pin 19 inside the Scart plug inserted into the TV. Probably best then label it, "TV end only". Aerial/RF Aerial - DVDR - Sky "Aerial" - Sky "RF1" - VCR - TV Reasoning: Cleanest possible aerial signal to DVDR; no modulator in DVDR to jam any terrestrial signals (analogue or Freeview!). Whilst DVDR records an analogue terrestrial station with own tuner, a (mono-aural) Sky to VCR recording is still possible (using the Sky's RF modulated output). This requires a spare tuner preset on the VCR to be tuned to the Sky unit. Whilst (one or both of) the DVDR and VCR are recording analogue terrestrial, the TV can display a live Sky channel (using Sky's RF modulated output). This requires a spare analogue tuner preset on the TV to be tuned to the Sky unit. Tip All these interconnecting leads will be male-female (AKA plug-socket) except the first, which'll be male-male (AKA plug-plug). Notes To record Sky to DVDR or VCR, set the appropriate recorder's Input Selector to its "Decoder Scart", which maybe referred as "A2" on its display. Recording to both simultaneously is possible! When either (or both) the DVDR or VCR isn't in use, they can be in Standby and live Sky viewing should still be possible via the TV's "Scart" socket. When recording analogue terrestrial using the DVDR's own tuner, it'll be necessary to activate the DVDR's "pass-thru" function to allow the best quality Sky signal to reach the VCR and TV at the same time. The DVDR remote control button for this is sometimes labelled "Ext", "Aux", or "Scart". It causes the signal entering the DVDR's "Decoder Scart" (from the Sky unit) to be passed-thru to its "TV Scart" even though it still records from its own terrestrial tuner. If you have a digital/Freeview TV and find that some terrestrial channels which are available with the aerial directly into it, give "No Signal" with the aerial looped-thru the equipment, then (either or both of) the Sky and VCR need their "Output RF Channel" altering to a different value. Search DS for the method. Regards

08-10-2009, 05:58	#4
StoppingService Forum Member Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Western Anglia; Sandy Heath TX Posts: 1,471	Hi Quote: Originally Posted by Jason88 can someone please tell me the best way ... to connect ... meaning i only need to use one scart socket on the sky box Why must the Sky's "VCR Scart" be kept unused? Are you using an AV sender on it - or something? Regards

08-10-2009, 09:10	#5
bobcar Forum Member Join Date: Sep 2004 Posts: 14,718	I would just connect as follows. Sky TV SCART ---> DVDR AV2 DVDR AV1 ---> TV RGB SCART Sky VCR SCART ---> VCR SCART As stopping Service asked, why must the Sky VCR SCART be unused?

08-10-2009, 18:46	#6
skinj Forum Member Join Date: Nov 2001 Posts: 3,206	Quote: Originally Posted by bobcar I would just connect as follows. Sky TV SCART ---> DVDR AV2 DVDR AV1 ---> TV RGB SCART Sky VCR SCART ---> VCR SCART As stopping Service asked, why must the Sky VCR SCART be unused? Problem here is that the DVD will block the Sky image if recording 1-5 analogue, although this is only a short term issue!!

08-10-2009, 19:06	#7
bobcar Forum Member Join Date: Sep 2004 Posts: 14,718	Quote: Originally Posted by skinj Problem here is that the DVD will block the Sky image if recording 1-5 analogue, although this is only a short term issue!! What do you mean 1-5 analogue? If you mean terrestrial analogue TV then most DVDRs will allow pass through when recording off their own tuners. If you mean any of the other inputs then yes but there is no way of recording RGB without this happening.

08-10-2009, 21:26	#8
b.lever Forum Member Join Date: Feb 2007 Posts: 1,000	Quote: Originally Posted by bobcar What do you mean 1-5 analogue? If you mean terrestrial analogue TV then most DVDRs will allow pass through when recording off their own tuners. If you mean any of the other inputs then yes but there is no way of recording RGB without this happening. Stick with bobcar he sorted my problems out .

09-10-2009, 03:48	#9
StoppingService Forum Member Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Western Anglia; Sandy Heath TX Posts: 1,471	Hi @ b.lever Quote: Originally Posted by b.lever Stick with bobcar he sorted my problems out . Except he didn't conform to the brief! Quote: Originally Posted by bobcar Sky TV SCART ---> DVDR AV2 Sky VCR SCART ---> VCR SCART @ bobcar Quote: Originally Posted by bobcar As StoppingService asked, why must the Sky VCR SCART be unused? I originally posted a "loom" using both Sky Scart sockets (like yours) then revised my suggestion so as to fulfil the OP's requirements - in case he's using the second Sky Scart for purposes unstated! Regards

11-10-2009, 09:37	#10
Jason88 Forum Member Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 3	i only wanted to use one scart socket on the sky box because i wantd the DVD recorder looped thought the VCR so the picture passes thought the VCR to the DVD recorder i have tried it this way sky box TV - to AV1 of my TV Sky box VCR - to AV1 of my vcr then i put a scart from the AV2 of the VCR to AV2 of the DVD recorder so to record sky i put the VCR on AV1 and the picure passes thought to the DVD recorder but i how found there is a drop in picture quality (recordings look poorer then the sky box set to PAL) is there anythink i can do to make the DVD recorder record better quality with it passing thought the VCR? thanks

11-10-2009, 11:22	#11
bobcar Forum Member Join Date: Sep 2004 Posts: 14,718	Quote: Originally Posted by Jason88 i only wanted to use one scart socket on the sky box because i wantd the DVD recorder looped thought the VCR so the picture passes thought the VCR to the DVD recorder i have tried it this way sky box TV - to AV1 of my TV Sky box VCR - to AV1 of my vcr then i put a scart from the AV2 of the VCR to AV2 of the DVD recorder so to record sky i put the VCR on AV1 and the picure passes thought to the DVD recorder but i how found there is a drop in picture quality (recordings look poorer then the sky box set to PAL) is there anythink i can do to make the DVD recorder record better quality with it passing thought the VCR? thanks The way I suggested you connect them will give the best recording and playback quality but make sure everything is set to RGB. EDIT: I should make absolutely clear that it is the output SCART of the VCR that should be connected to the Sky VCR SCART not the input SCART of the VCR (you can also record off the output SCART). The only thing you can't do with this set up is record from the DVDR to the VCR the other way round is no problem. To play a VCR or to record to DVDR from it simply press play on the VCR and it will route through the SCARTS (note that since the VCR is composite only you will have to temporarily set the DVDR input to PAL). If you want to record from the DVDR to the VCR as well as the other way round then you will need to use a SCART switcher but this is a more unusual requirement.

11-10-2009, 11:29	#12
bobcar Forum Member Join Date: Sep 2004 Posts: 14,718	Quote: Originally Posted by StoppingService I originally posted a "loom" using both Sky Scart sockets (like yours) then revised my suggestion so as to fulfil the OP's requirements - in case he's using the second Sky Scart for purposes unstated! Regards Even then you could probably connect to the input SCART of the VCR to playback, the only thing you wouldn't get would be the Sky output.

11-10-2009, 12:12	#13
StoppingService Forum Member Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Western Anglia; Sandy Heath TX Posts: 1,471	Hi Quote: Originally Posted by Jason88 is there anythink i can do to make the DVD recorder record better quality with it passing thought the VCR? No. Don't pass the signal through the VCR to the DVDR. Do what I suggested before, which allows both the DVD & VCR to record in their respective best qualities. Quote: Originally Posted by StoppingService Reasoning: Shortest path length for RGB signals from Sky to DVDR; no opportunity for VCR to fail to pass-thru RGB to DVDR. And read the notes about how to make use of the connections I suggested. Regards

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