Vision cost?

Bill_Pine · 06-10-2009, 21:56

Don't know if its one of those mental block things going on but I can never get my head around the pricing of BT Vision.....

Ive got the BT line albeit with Virgin for calls at the mo, Virgin supplies my BB and Sky supplies by TV which cost me £42.75

for the month.... I never though to check!

NOW, is it right that if I get BTV all in on the basic package it'll cost me £30.33 after the 3 month offer?

My head hurts

Bill_Pine · 06-10-2009, 22:43

Plus line rental.... think ill give that a miss!

wwwebber · 07-10-2009, 08:28

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bill_Pine

Plus line rental.... think ill give that a miss!

Arent you paying line rental already anyway ?. Plus that cost does include broadband & calls. You could also go all in with Sky & Virgin and save money. It depends on what you want.

scotty2808 · 07-10-2009, 09:48

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bill_Pine

Plus line rental.... think ill give that a miss!

aye - it's about £40/41 once you add line rental if you go on the web site info.

a lot of people have been able to haggle 6months half price for the Vision package and a cheaper Broadband deal.

could be worth phoning.

noise747 · 07-10-2009, 23:30

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bill_Pine

Plus line rental.... think ill give that a miss!

It can be expensive, if you think it is worth paying for is another thing.

By the time you pay line rental, broadband and then the cost for BTV.

Matterhorn · 08-10-2009, 21:57

the problem with Vision isn't the cost of the TV bit but the add ons (line,b/band).

I can get a 100gb limit broadband deal with line rental for £15..... the equivalent BT deal would cost £36!

thats an un-ignorable price difference.

stuntmaster · 08-10-2009, 23:07

Quote:

Originally Posted by Matterhorn

the problem with Vision isn't the cost of the TV bit but the add ons (line,b/band).

I can get a 100gb limit broadband deal with line rental for £15..... the equivalent BT deal would cost £36!

thats an un-ignorable price difference.

we arn't on about broadband limits.

the total price of an all in.

i think the service is worth it.

can't get sky broadband in some areas.

Matterhorn · 08-10-2009, 23:15

Quote:

Originally Posted by stuntmaster

we arn't on about broadband limits.

the total price of an all in.

i think the service is worth it.

can't get sky broadband in some areas.

true but surely limits have to be considered when assessing the true value of a package? especially with BTV requiring a BT line and broadband package.

if you think the service is worth it then great, you stick with it. i applaud you. I think BT and you were made for each other.

I can't get Sky bband either, the deal quoted wasn't theirs.

stuntmaster · 08-10-2009, 23:19

Quote:

Originally Posted by Matterhorn

true but surely limits have to be considered when assessing the true value of a package? especially with BTV requiring a BT line and broadband package.

if you think the service is worth it then great, you stick with it. i applaud you. I think BT and you were made for each other.

I can't get Sky bband either, the deal quoted wasn't theirs.

really? howd that happen?

Matterhorn · 08-10-2009, 23:22

Quote:

Originally Posted by stuntmaster

really? howd that happen?

you must have a Sky obsession

stuntmaster · 09-10-2009, 00:20

no sky obsession.

but who on earth, can give 100gb limit for £15 month? not be is it?

Matterhorn · 09-10-2009, 00:28

Quote:

Originally Posted by stuntmaster

no sky obsession.

but who on earth, can give 100gb limit for £15 month? not be is it?

its Tiscali LLU.

its actually £9.99 for the first 3 months too, with free weekend calls and free weekend international calls

the official limit on the website is now 40gb.

It was 100gb (FUP)when I last looked and when I pre-booked my migration away from BT

£30 install fee is a downer but easily re-coupable.

happy days

wwwebber · 09-10-2009, 10:18

Quote:

Originally Posted by Matterhorn

its Tiscali LLU.

its actually £9.99 for the first 3 months too, with free weekend calls and free weekend international calls

the official limit on the website is now 40gb.

It was 100gb (FUP)when I last looked and when I pre-booked my migration away from BT

£30 install fee is a downer but easily re-coupable.

happy days

To make things a little clearer here, you dont get the following with Tiscali :-

A wireless router or any kind of router for that matter
Free 24/7 helpline
Worlwide WiFi minutes (very handy on your mobile phone or laptop when you're away from home, holidays etc)
2nd phone line at home
5gb online storage
Mobile broadband for your laptop (one off fee for hardware dongle)
Upto 20meg if you're in a suitable area

I realise that not everyone will want all of these features but I've mentioned them because sometimes a service is not just about the cost - it's about what you get for your dosh.

Actually I'm really surprised that you're not going with Sky BB

Bill_Pine · 09-10-2009, 13:14

I think if they were a little more competitive people like me would be more inclined to move to BT.

For the sake of saving a whopping £1.17 a month Ill stay put for now!

betsvigi9 · 09-10-2009, 13:51

Ofcom have recently changed the rules to allow BT to offer discounted bundles. I would guess that in the near future the price may well be coming down.

http://www.digitalspy.co.uk/digitalt...t-bundles.html

Matterhorn · 09-10-2009, 17:40

Quote:

Originally Posted by wwwebber

To make things a little clearer here, you dont get the following with Tiscali :-

A wireless router or any kind of router for that matter
Free 24/7 helpline
Worlwide WiFi minutes (very handy on your mobile phone or laptop when you're away from home, holidays etc)
2nd phone line at home
5gb online storage
Mobile broadband for your laptop (one off fee for hardware dongle)
Upto 20meg if you're in a suitable area

I realise that not everyone will want all of these features but I've mentioned them because sometimes a service is not just about the cost - it's about what you get for your dosh.

Actually I'm really surprised that you're not going with Sky BB

Yes that is some stuff that you don't get with Tiscali that you do with BT, some people might derive some benefit from it but most probably won't, and with the £260+ that you can save per year by switching you could actually buy the additional services you want and STILL save money!

A wireless router or any kind of router for that matter - Yep but I have a couple of spare ones knocking about so for me it is no issue, for some it could be though.
Free 24/7 helpline - helpline? they are having a laugh with that.
Worlwide WiFi minutes (very handy on your mobile phone or laptop when you're away from home, holidays etc) - iPhone
2nd phone line at home - iPhone
5gb online storage - free storage and low cost storage is available online which is better
Mobile broadband for your laptop (one off fee for hardware dongle) - iPhone
Upto 20meg if you're in a suitable area - 2012 estimate for me.

like I said, I don't think a saving like that can be ignored. Its not as if its £5 or £10 a month. Its over £22 a month!

hmm..now what can that be spent on..?

wwwebber · 09-10-2009, 18:19

Quote:

Originally Posted by Matterhorn

Yes that is some stuff that you don't get with Tiscali that you do with BT, some people might derive some benefit from it but most probably won't, and with the £260+ that you can save per year by switching you could actually buy the additional services you want and STILL save money!

A wireless router or any kind of router for that matter - Yep but I have a couple of spare ones knocking about so for me it is no issue, for some it could be though.
Free 24/7 helpline - helpline? they are having a laugh with that.
Worlwide WiFi minutes (very handy on your mobile phone or laptop when you're away from home, holidays etc) - iPhone
2nd phone line at home - iPhone
5gb online storage - free storage and low cost storage is available online which is better
Mobile broadband for your laptop (one off fee for hardware dongle) - iPhone
Upto 20meg if you're in a suitable area - 2012 estimate for me.

like I said, I don't think a saving like that can be ignored. Its not as if its £5 or £10 a month. Its over £22 a month!

hmm..now what can that be spent on..?

An iphone???, you're having a laugh. Apart form it forming a comedy rebuttal why dont you tell the folks at home how much it costs !!

stuntmaster · 09-10-2009, 19:22

Quote:

Originally Posted by Matterhorn

Yes that is some stuff that you don't get with Tiscali that you do with BT, some people might derive some benefit from it but most probably won't, and with the £260+ that you can save per year by switching you could actually buy the additional services you want and STILL save money!

A wireless router or any kind of router for that matter - Yep but I have a couple of spare ones knocking about so for me it is no issue, for some it could be though.
Free 24/7 helpline - helpline? they are having a laugh with that.
Worlwide WiFi minutes (very handy on your mobile phone or laptop when you're away from home, holidays etc) - iPhone
2nd phone line at home - iPhone
5gb online storage - free storage and low cost storage is available online which is better
Mobile broadband for your laptop (one off fee for hardware dongle) - iPhone
Upto 20meg if you're in a suitable area - 2012 estimate for me.

like I said, I don't think a saving like that can be ignored. Its not as if its £5 or £10 a month. Its over £22 a month!

hmm..now what can that be spent on..?

ahh now lets not forget, that an iphone needs to be on contract. so that can be anything from £30 onwards. also its stuck to O2 at present. and it doesn't give unlimited free evening and weekend calls does it? nope didn't think so.

unlike an iphone wifi minutes can be used on a Proper laptop giving me a proper internet access experience. somehow I don't think an iphone can access some more important company websites that need software on such as lotus notes. which require advanced network setups to access a VPN server. there I got you on that, no way can an iphone do that.

Actually the helpline was very good for me.

i upgraded to option 3 and as I was polite I got a free Hub Phone 2.1.

also the router that BT give you is N standard, and has a fileserver inside it too providing you stick a hard disc into the USB port. doubt others can provide that.

jonesyboy · 09-10-2009, 20:03

Quote:

Originally Posted by Matterhorn

Yes that is some stuff that you don't get with Tiscali that you do with BT, some people might derive some benefit from it but most probably won't, and with the £260+ that you can save per year by switching you could actually buy the additional services you want and STILL save money!

A wireless router or any kind of router for that matter - Yep but I have a couple of spare ones knocking about so for me it is no issue, for some it could be though.
Free 24/7 helpline - helpline? they are having a laugh with that.
Worlwide WiFi minutes (very handy on your mobile phone or laptop when you're away from home, holidays etc) - iPhone
2nd phone line at home - iPhone
5gb online storage - free storage and low cost storage is available online which is better
Mobile broadband for your laptop (one off fee for hardware dongle) - iPhone
Upto 20meg if you're in a suitable area - 2012 estimate for me.

like I said, I don't think a saving like that can be ignored. Its not as if its £5 or £10 a month. Its over £22 a month!

hmm..now what can that be spent on..?

Part of what you spend on your IPhone.

Two small points on Tiscali.
1, There coverage is patchy at best. Less than 50% of the country I believe. I can't get it and don't know anybody that can.

2. Look on the forums they have a terrible Customer Service reputation. Worse than BT.

Sorry couldn't resist that. I will now sink back in my Comfy chair and disappear for a few more months, courtesy of our health service.

Apart from that, these discussions get very tedious and then personal. I can't be doing with that.:yawn:

noise747 · 09-10-2009, 20:20

Quote:

Originally Posted by wwwebber

To make things a little clearer here, you dont get the following with Tiscali :-

A wireless router or any kind of router for that matter

Buying your own is sometimes a better idea anyway, at least then a choice can be made.

Quote:

Free 24/7 helpline

Fine getting a free 24/7 helpline, just a shame that the helpline is useless and you need a interpreter to understand what they are on about.

Quote:

Worlwide WiFi minutes (very handy on your mobile phone or laptop when you're away from home, holidays etc)

If you can find a BTopenzone service, which unless you are in a large city, you got little chance and don't rely on Fon.

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2nd phone line at home

Just a shame the quality is naff and the thing echos so much that it makes the person on the other end dizzy.

Mind you the last time I used mine it was not too bad.

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5gb online storage

I got a few things up there, that I sent from my mobile phone, but unless my phone is connected to a Wi-fi network, it would cost too much and be too slow.

BT mobile phone by the way.

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Mobile broadband for your laptop (one off fee for hardware dongle)

could be useful, but not with the vodafone signal that is in this city at the moment. Ok here where I live, but I would not want it here.

I wonder if they will offer me one of these dongles when my contract is up.

Quote:

Upto 20meg if you're in a suitable area

and shaped at 1Mbit.

Ok, so it is not that bad, but you get the point,

Quote:

I realise that not everyone will want all of these features but I've mentioned them because sometimes a service is not just about the cost - it's about what you get for your dosh.

A service is also about reliability, the bits you mention is not the reason I went with Bt, but then neither was reliability.
when I was with BT Internet a few years back it was always reliable, so I thought that would not have changed, I went with BT for the mobile phone, simple as that.

I bet the majority of people that uses BT total broadband don't use the features that BT give them.
I doubt most of them even use the BT email service, because they will have set something up, unless they was never on the internet before.

Most people, but bu no means all, just want to acess the net, they are not bothered about all the features like Voip phone, or online storage.

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Actually I'm really surprised that you're not going with Sky BB

Tiscali now belongs to Talk Talk, I would not touch Tiscali or Talk Talk with a barge pole, they are both 50 times worse than Bt.

noise747 · 09-10-2009, 20:28

Quote:

Originally Posted by Matterhorn

Yes that is some stuff that you don't get with Tiscali that you do with BT, some people might derive some benefit from it but most probably won't, and with the £260+ that you can save per year by switching you could actually buy the additional services you want and STILL save money!

A wireless router or any kind of router for that matter - Yep but I have a couple of spare ones knocking about so for me it is no issue, for some it could be though.
Free 24/7 helpline - helpline? they are having a laugh with that.
Worlwide WiFi minutes (very handy on your mobile phone or laptop when you're away from home, holidays etc) - iPhone
2nd phone line at home - iPhone
5gb online storage - free storage and low cost storage is available online which is better
Mobile broadband for your laptop (one off fee for hardware dongle) - iPhone
Upto 20meg if you're in a suitable area - 2012 estimate for me.

like I said, I don't think a saving like that can be ignored. Its not as if its £5 or £10 a month. Its over £22 a month!

hmm..now what can that be spent on..?

Are you going with Tiscali or just using a ISp that are using their network? Tiscali is now Talk Talk, well they belong to car Phone Warehouse, and I would not touch either with a barge pole, no matter how much they save me.

some of the service that Bt offers can be got for free anyway, there 25 GB of free storage on Windows Live for a start.

Skype offers free Skype to Skype calls, ok you can't phone anyone on a normal phone for free, but then most people with a land line have at least evening and weekend calls for the cost of their line rental.

stuntmaster · 09-10-2009, 20:30

for the information I use BT's email, which is actually a Yahoo email. i can access it anywhere that lets me into a yahoo page.

Voip phone aint bad, seems to be working here ok.

I must admit i don't use online storage.

homehub works fine for me. although there are some good routers out there.

problem is though if you let the user have a choice, then support for broadband becomes more difficult. i remember a netgear router being notorious to set up. simply refused to connect even though the settings were correct. never did get to the bottom of it.

at least the home hub is pre-configured, just plug in and away you go.

mind you what would be an idea if the hub had an option for a failover connection, like an ISDN or dialup.

Matterhorn · 09-10-2009, 20:47

Quote:

Originally Posted by wwwebber

An iphone???, you're having a laugh. Apart form it forming a comedy rebuttal why dont you tell the folks at home how much it costs !!

costs me?

zero.

Matterhorn · 09-10-2009, 20:57

Quote:

Originally Posted by stuntmaster

ahh now lets not forget, that an iphone needs to be on contract. so that can be anything from £30 onwards. also its stuck to O2 at present. and it doesn't give unlimited free evening and weekend calls does it? nope didn't think so.

unlike an iphone wifi minutes can be used on a Proper laptop giving me a proper internet access experience. somehow I don't think an iphone can access some more important company websites that need software on such as lotus notes. which require advanced network setups to access a VPN server. there I got you on that, no way can an iphone do that.

Actually the helpline was very good for me.

i upgraded to option 3 and as I was polite I got a free Hub Phone 2.1.

also the router that BT give you is N standard, and has a fileserver inside it too providing you stick a hard disc into the USB port. doubt others can provide that.

my phone costs me nothing so all the minutes are free. It really is a tremendous device, too good for most on here though.

even on a contract (if I had to pay I would) its good. 10 hours a month, 500 texts, unlimited data, wi-fi hotspots included, all the apps?? truly a revolutionary device. On a personal basis I wouldn't use 25% of the mins/texts...

iPhone can and is used like a dongle...works great!

lotus notes?? Are we in 1995?

iPhone supports MS office and iWork..

can you fit the laptop in your pocket? Does it have 'holdable' GPS for when in a strange town?

I was polite too.... but I'm sure it was pure BT incompetence that sent me 2 hubs and 1 phone even though I took option 1!

hard disk plugged into the router..?

really? your arguments get more and more spurious..!

Matterhorn · 09-10-2009, 21:02

Quote:

Originally Posted by jonesyboy

Part of what you spend on your IPhone.

Two small points on Tiscali.
1, There coverage is patchy at best. Less than 50% of the country I believe. I can't get it and don't know anybody that can.

2. Look on the forums they have a terrible Customer Service reputation. Worse than BT.

Sorry couldn't resist that. I will now sink back in my Comfy chair and disappear for a few more months, courtesy of our health service.

Apart from that, these discussions get very tedious and then personal. I can't be doing with that.:yawn:

Pete,

1/ Cool I can, without being selfish I don't care about anyone else.

2/ Maybe but I don't think BT can be 'beaten' for being the worst CS. They can't even do the simple things like getting a name and address right after 8 goes and nearly 12 months.

At the end of the day, they are cheap, my expectations will be set accordingly. BT aren't cheap and aren't good... thats their problem.

06-10-2009, 21:56	#1
Bill_Pine Forum Member Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: North Wales Posts: 289	Vision cost? Don't know if its one of those mental block things going on but I can never get my head around the pricing of BT Vision..... Ive got the BT line albeit with Virgin for calls at the mo, Virgin supplies my BB and Sky supplies by TV which cost me £42.75 for the month.... I never though to check! NOW, is it right that if I get BTV all in on the basic package it'll cost me £30.33 after the 3 month offer? My head hurts

06-10-2009, 22:43	#2
Bill_Pine Forum Member Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: North Wales Posts: 289	Plus line rental.... think ill give that a miss!

07-10-2009, 08:28	#3
wwwebber Forum Member Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: Nottingham Posts: 3,536	Quote: Originally Posted by Bill_Pine Plus line rental.... think ill give that a miss! Arent you paying line rental already anyway ?. Plus that cost does include broadband & calls. You could also go all in with Sky & Virgin and save money. It depends on what you want.

07-10-2009, 09:48	#4
scotty2808 Forum Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Posts: 435	Quote: Originally Posted by Bill_Pine Plus line rental.... think ill give that a miss! aye - it's about £40/41 once you add line rental if you go on the web site info. a lot of people have been able to haggle 6months half price for the Vision package and a cheaper Broadband deal. could be worth phoning.

07-10-2009, 23:30	#5
noise747 Forum Member Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Herefordshire Posts: 22,810	Quote: Originally Posted by Bill_Pine Plus line rental.... think ill give that a miss! It can be expensive, if you think it is worth paying for is another thing. By the time you pay line rental, broadband and then the cost for BTV.

08-10-2009, 21:57	#6
Matterhorn Inactive Member Join Date: Mar 2009 Posts: 729	the problem with Vision isn't the cost of the TV bit but the add ons (line,b/band). I can get a 100gb limit broadband deal with line rental for £15..... the equivalent BT deal would cost £36! thats an un-ignorable price difference.

08-10-2009, 23:07	#7
stuntmaster Forum Member Join Date: May 2005 Location: Southampton - Hannington - TX Posts: 4,878	Quote: Originally Posted by Matterhorn the problem with Vision isn't the cost of the TV bit but the add ons (line,b/band). I can get a 100gb limit broadband deal with line rental for £15..... the equivalent BT deal would cost £36! thats an un-ignorable price difference. we arn't on about broadband limits. the total price of an all in. i think the service is worth it. can't get sky broadband in some areas.

08-10-2009, 23:15	#8
Matterhorn Inactive Member Join Date: Mar 2009 Posts: 729	Quote: Originally Posted by stuntmaster we arn't on about broadband limits. the total price of an all in. i think the service is worth it. can't get sky broadband in some areas. true but surely limits have to be considered when assessing the true value of a package? especially with BTV requiring a BT line and broadband package. if you think the service is worth it then great, you stick with it. i applaud you. I think BT and you were made for each other. I can't get Sky bband either, the deal quoted wasn't theirs.

08-10-2009, 23:19	#9
stuntmaster Forum Member Join Date: May 2005 Location: Southampton - Hannington - TX Posts: 4,878	Quote: Originally Posted by Matterhorn true but surely limits have to be considered when assessing the true value of a package? especially with BTV requiring a BT line and broadband package. if you think the service is worth it then great, you stick with it. i applaud you. I think BT and you were made for each other. I can't get Sky bband either, the deal quoted wasn't theirs. really? howd that happen?

08-10-2009, 23:22	#10
Matterhorn Inactive Member Join Date: Mar 2009 Posts: 729	Quote: Originally Posted by stuntmaster really? howd that happen? you must have a Sky obsession

09-10-2009, 00:20	#11
stuntmaster Forum Member Join Date: May 2005 Location: Southampton - Hannington - TX Posts: 4,878	no sky obsession. but who on earth, can give 100gb limit for £15 month? not be is it?

09-10-2009, 00:28	#12
Matterhorn Inactive Member Join Date: Mar 2009 Posts: 729	Quote: Originally Posted by stuntmaster no sky obsession. but who on earth, can give 100gb limit for £15 month? not be is it? its Tiscali LLU. its actually £9.99 for the first 3 months too, with free weekend calls and free weekend international calls the official limit on the website is now 40gb. It was 100gb (FUP)when I last looked and when I pre-booked my migration away from BT £30 install fee is a downer but easily re-coupable. happy days

09-10-2009, 10:18	#13
wwwebber Forum Member Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: Nottingham Posts: 3,536	Quote: Originally Posted by Matterhorn its Tiscali LLU. its actually £9.99 for the first 3 months too, with free weekend calls and free weekend international calls the official limit on the website is now 40gb. It was 100gb (FUP)when I last looked and when I pre-booked my migration away from BT £30 install fee is a downer but easily re-coupable. happy days To make things a little clearer here, you dont get the following with Tiscali :- A wireless router or any kind of router for that matter Free 24/7 helpline Worlwide WiFi minutes (very handy on your mobile phone or laptop when you're away from home, holidays etc) 2nd phone line at home 5gb online storage Mobile broadband for your laptop (one off fee for hardware dongle) Upto 20meg if you're in a suitable area I realise that not everyone will want all of these features but I've mentioned them because sometimes a service is not just about the cost - it's about what you get for your dosh. Actually I'm really surprised that you're not going with Sky BB

09-10-2009, 13:14	#14
Bill_Pine Forum Member Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: North Wales Posts: 289	I think if they were a little more competitive people like me would be more inclined to move to BT. For the sake of saving a whopping £1.17 a month Ill stay put for now!

09-10-2009, 13:51	#15
betsvigi9 Forum Member Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Huddersfield Posts: 389	Ofcom have recently changed the rules to allow BT to offer discounted bundles. I would guess that in the near future the price may well be coming down. http://www.digitalspy.co.uk/digitalt...t-bundles.html

09-10-2009, 17:40	#16
Matterhorn Inactive Member Join Date: Mar 2009 Posts: 729	Quote: Originally Posted by wwwebber To make things a little clearer here, you dont get the following with Tiscali :- A wireless router or any kind of router for that matter Free 24/7 helpline Worlwide WiFi minutes (very handy on your mobile phone or laptop when you're away from home, holidays etc) 2nd phone line at home 5gb online storage Mobile broadband for your laptop (one off fee for hardware dongle) Upto 20meg if you're in a suitable area I realise that not everyone will want all of these features but I've mentioned them because sometimes a service is not just about the cost - it's about what you get for your dosh. Actually I'm really surprised that you're not going with Sky BB Yes that is some stuff that you don't get with Tiscali that you do with BT, some people might derive some benefit from it but most probably won't, and with the £260+ that you can save per year by switching you could actually buy the additional services you want and STILL save money! A wireless router or any kind of router for that matter - Yep but I have a couple of spare ones knocking about so for me it is no issue, for some it could be though. Free 24/7 helpline - helpline? they are having a laugh with that. Worlwide WiFi minutes (very handy on your mobile phone or laptop when you're away from home, holidays etc) - iPhone 2nd phone line at home - iPhone 5gb online storage - free storage and low cost storage is available online which is better Mobile broadband for your laptop (one off fee for hardware dongle) - iPhone Upto 20meg if you're in a suitable area - 2012 estimate for me. like I said, I don't think a saving like that can be ignored. Its not as if its £5 or £10 a month. Its over £22 a month! hmm..now what can that be spent on..?

09-10-2009, 18:19	#17
wwwebber Forum Member Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: Nottingham Posts: 3,536	Quote: Originally Posted by Matterhorn Yes that is some stuff that you don't get with Tiscali that you do with BT, some people might derive some benefit from it but most probably won't, and with the £260+ that you can save per year by switching you could actually buy the additional services you want and STILL save money! A wireless router or any kind of router for that matter - Yep but I have a couple of spare ones knocking about so for me it is no issue, for some it could be though. Free 24/7 helpline - helpline? they are having a laugh with that. Worlwide WiFi minutes (very handy on your mobile phone or laptop when you're away from home, holidays etc) - iPhone 2nd phone line at home - iPhone 5gb online storage - free storage and low cost storage is available online which is better Mobile broadband for your laptop (one off fee for hardware dongle) - iPhone Upto 20meg if you're in a suitable area - 2012 estimate for me. like I said, I don't think a saving like that can be ignored. Its not as if its £5 or £10 a month. Its over £22 a month! hmm..now what can that be spent on..? An iphone???, you're having a laugh. Apart form it forming a comedy rebuttal why dont you tell the folks at home how much it costs !!

09-10-2009, 19:22	#18
stuntmaster Forum Member Join Date: May 2005 Location: Southampton - Hannington - TX Posts: 4,878	Quote: Originally Posted by Matterhorn Yes that is some stuff that you don't get with Tiscali that you do with BT, some people might derive some benefit from it but most probably won't, and with the £260+ that you can save per year by switching you could actually buy the additional services you want and STILL save money! A wireless router or any kind of router for that matter - Yep but I have a couple of spare ones knocking about so for me it is no issue, for some it could be though. Free 24/7 helpline - helpline? they are having a laugh with that. Worlwide WiFi minutes (very handy on your mobile phone or laptop when you're away from home, holidays etc) - iPhone 2nd phone line at home - iPhone 5gb online storage - free storage and low cost storage is available online which is better Mobile broadband for your laptop (one off fee for hardware dongle) - iPhone Upto 20meg if you're in a suitable area - 2012 estimate for me. like I said, I don't think a saving like that can be ignored. Its not as if its £5 or £10 a month. Its over £22 a month! hmm..now what can that be spent on..? ahh now lets not forget, that an iphone needs to be on contract. so that can be anything from £30 onwards. also its stuck to O2 at present. and it doesn't give unlimited free evening and weekend calls does it? nope didn't think so. unlike an iphone wifi minutes can be used on a Proper laptop giving me a proper internet access experience. somehow I don't think an iphone can access some more important company websites that need software on such as lotus notes. which require advanced network setups to access a VPN server. there I got you on that, no way can an iphone do that. Actually the helpline was very good for me. i upgraded to option 3 and as I was polite I got a free Hub Phone 2.1. also the router that BT give you is N standard, and has a fileserver inside it too providing you stick a hard disc into the USB port. doubt others can provide that.

09-10-2009, 20:03	#19
jonesyboy Forum Member Join Date: Aug 2008 Posts: 1,330	Quote: Originally Posted by Matterhorn Yes that is some stuff that you don't get with Tiscali that you do with BT, some people might derive some benefit from it but most probably won't, and with the £260+ that you can save per year by switching you could actually buy the additional services you want and STILL save money! A wireless router or any kind of router for that matter - Yep but I have a couple of spare ones knocking about so for me it is no issue, for some it could be though. Free 24/7 helpline - helpline? they are having a laugh with that. Worlwide WiFi minutes (very handy on your mobile phone or laptop when you're away from home, holidays etc) - iPhone 2nd phone line at home - iPhone 5gb online storage - free storage and low cost storage is available online which is better Mobile broadband for your laptop (one off fee for hardware dongle) - iPhone Upto 20meg if you're in a suitable area - 2012 estimate for me. like I said, I don't think a saving like that can be ignored. Its not as if its £5 or £10 a month. Its over £22 a month! hmm..now what can that be spent on..? Part of what you spend on your IPhone. Two small points on Tiscali. 1, There coverage is patchy at best. Less than 50% of the country I believe. I can't get it and don't know anybody that can. 2. Look on the forums they have a terrible Customer Service reputation. Worse than BT. Sorry couldn't resist that. I will now sink back in my Comfy chair and disappear for a few more months, courtesy of our health service. Apart from that, these discussions get very tedious and then personal. I can't be doing with that.:yawn:

09-10-2009, 20:20	#20
noise747 Forum Member Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Herefordshire Posts: 22,810	Quote: Originally Posted by wwwebber To make things a little clearer here, you dont get the following with Tiscali :- A wireless router or any kind of router for that matter Buying your own is sometimes a better idea anyway, at least then a choice can be made. Quote: Free 24/7 helpline Fine getting a free 24/7 helpline, just a shame that the helpline is useless and you need a interpreter to understand what they are on about. Quote: Worlwide WiFi minutes (very handy on your mobile phone or laptop when you're away from home, holidays etc) If you can find a BTopenzone service, which unless you are in a large city, you got little chance and don't rely on Fon. Quote: 2nd phone line at home Just a shame the quality is naff and the thing echos so much that it makes the person on the other end dizzy. Mind you the last time I used mine it was not too bad. Quote: 5gb online storage I got a few things up there, that I sent from my mobile phone, but unless my phone is connected to a Wi-fi network, it would cost too much and be too slow. BT mobile phone by the way. Quote: Mobile broadband for your laptop (one off fee for hardware dongle) could be useful, but not with the vodafone signal that is in this city at the moment. Ok here where I live, but I would not want it here. I wonder if they will offer me one of these dongles when my contract is up. Quote: Upto 20meg if you're in a suitable area and shaped at 1Mbit. Ok, so it is not that bad, but you get the point, Quote: I realise that not everyone will want all of these features but I've mentioned them because sometimes a service is not just about the cost - it's about what you get for your dosh. A service is also about reliability, the bits you mention is not the reason I went with Bt, but then neither was reliability. when I was with BT Internet a few years back it was always reliable, so I thought that would not have changed, I went with BT for the mobile phone, simple as that. I bet the majority of people that uses BT total broadband don't use the features that BT give them. I doubt most of them even use the BT email service, because they will have set something up, unless they was never on the internet before. Most people, but bu no means all, just want to acess the net, they are not bothered about all the features like Voip phone, or online storage. Quote: Actually I'm really surprised that you're not going with Sky BB Tiscali now belongs to Talk Talk, I would not touch Tiscali or Talk Talk with a barge pole, they are both 50 times worse than Bt.

09-10-2009, 20:28	#21
noise747 Forum Member Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Herefordshire Posts: 22,810	Quote: Originally Posted by Matterhorn Yes that is some stuff that you don't get with Tiscali that you do with BT, some people might derive some benefit from it but most probably won't, and with the £260+ that you can save per year by switching you could actually buy the additional services you want and STILL save money! A wireless router or any kind of router for that matter - Yep but I have a couple of spare ones knocking about so for me it is no issue, for some it could be though. Free 24/7 helpline - helpline? they are having a laugh with that. Worlwide WiFi minutes (very handy on your mobile phone or laptop when you're away from home, holidays etc) - iPhone 2nd phone line at home - iPhone 5gb online storage - free storage and low cost storage is available online which is better Mobile broadband for your laptop (one off fee for hardware dongle) - iPhone Upto 20meg if you're in a suitable area - 2012 estimate for me. like I said, I don't think a saving like that can be ignored. Its not as if its £5 or £10 a month. Its over £22 a month! hmm..now what can that be spent on..? Are you going with Tiscali or just using a ISp that are using their network? Tiscali is now Talk Talk, well they belong to car Phone Warehouse, and I would not touch either with a barge pole, no matter how much they save me. some of the service that Bt offers can be got for free anyway, there 25 GB of free storage on Windows Live for a start. Skype offers free Skype to Skype calls, ok you can't phone anyone on a normal phone for free, but then most people with a land line have at least evening and weekend calls for the cost of their line rental.

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09-10-2009, 20:30	#22
stuntmaster Forum Member Join Date: May 2005 Location: Southampton - Hannington - TX Posts: 4,878	for the information I use BT's email, which is actually a Yahoo email. i can access it anywhere that lets me into a yahoo page. Voip phone aint bad, seems to be working here ok. I must admit i don't use online storage. homehub works fine for me. although there are some good routers out there. problem is though if you let the user have a choice, then support for broadband becomes more difficult. i remember a netgear router being notorious to set up. simply refused to connect even though the settings were correct. never did get to the bottom of it. at least the home hub is pre-configured, just plug in and away you go. mind you what would be an idea if the hub had an option for a failover connection, like an ISDN or dialup.

09-10-2009, 20:47	#23
Matterhorn Inactive Member Join Date: Mar 2009 Posts: 729	Quote: Originally Posted by wwwebber An iphone???, you're having a laugh. Apart form it forming a comedy rebuttal why dont you tell the folks at home how much it costs !! costs me? zero.

09-10-2009, 20:57	#24
Matterhorn Inactive Member Join Date: Mar 2009 Posts: 729	Quote: Originally Posted by stuntmaster ahh now lets not forget, that an iphone needs to be on contract. so that can be anything from £30 onwards. also its stuck to O2 at present. and it doesn't give unlimited free evening and weekend calls does it? nope didn't think so. unlike an iphone wifi minutes can be used on a Proper laptop giving me a proper internet access experience. somehow I don't think an iphone can access some more important company websites that need software on such as lotus notes. which require advanced network setups to access a VPN server. there I got you on that, no way can an iphone do that. Actually the helpline was very good for me. i upgraded to option 3 and as I was polite I got a free Hub Phone 2.1. also the router that BT give you is N standard, and has a fileserver inside it too providing you stick a hard disc into the USB port. doubt others can provide that. my phone costs me nothing so all the minutes are free. It really is a tremendous device, too good for most on here though. even on a contract (if I had to pay I would) its good. 10 hours a month, 500 texts, unlimited data, wi-fi hotspots included, all the apps?? truly a revolutionary device. On a personal basis I wouldn't use 25% of the mins/texts... iPhone can and is used like a dongle...works great! lotus notes?? Are we in 1995? iPhone supports MS office and iWork.. can you fit the laptop in your pocket? Does it have 'holdable' GPS for when in a strange town? I was polite too.... but I'm sure it was pure BT incompetence that sent me 2 hubs and 1 phone even though I took option 1! hard disk plugged into the router..? really? your arguments get more and more spurious..!

09-10-2009, 21:02	#25
Matterhorn Inactive Member Join Date: Mar 2009 Posts: 729	Quote: Originally Posted by jonesyboy Part of what you spend on your IPhone. Two small points on Tiscali. 1, There coverage is patchy at best. Less than 50% of the country I believe. I can't get it and don't know anybody that can. 2. Look on the forums they have a terrible Customer Service reputation. Worse than BT. Sorry couldn't resist that. I will now sink back in my Comfy chair and disappear for a few more months, courtesy of our health service. Apart from that, these discussions get very tedious and then personal. I can't be doing with that.:yawn: Pete, 1/ Cool I can, without being selfish I don't care about anyone else. 2/ Maybe but I don't think BT can be 'beaten' for being the worst CS. They can't even do the simple things like getting a name and address right after 8 goes and nearly 12 months. At the end of the day, they are cheap, my expectations will be set accordingly. BT aren't cheap and aren't good... thats their problem.