After last years fiasco and the controversy of Tom and Camilla winning last year i propose a new system so the judges have a say on who wins the final. The judges should score each dance including the showdance. The publics vote should count as one point and then the judges in turn should have a vote on who they think should win with Len having the casting vote if its a tie what does anyone else think?
The scoring format for the final should be changed this year
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I think this is why Darcey has been brought in. She'll have to do more on the show than just turn up and look pretty.
I actually think we need a permanent 5th judge so that Len isn't the head judge all the time. On another thread i suggested camilla or Karen.
I actually think we need a permanent 5th judge so that Len isn't the head judge all the time. On another thread i suggested camilla or Karen.
I don't want the judges choosing who wins! Then Lisa "Alien Showdance" Snowdon would have won last year!
And Emma would have won Mark Ramprakash's year (less bothered about this).
And Emma would have won Mark Ramprakash's year (less bothered about this).
I agree judges should not choose who wins. Its the viewers that pay the votes therefore we choose who wins.
Originally Posted by Shappy:
“I don't want the judges choosing who wins! Then Lisa "Alien Showdance" Snowdon would have won last year!
And Emma would have won Mark Ramprakash's year (less bothered about this).”
“I don't want the judges choosing who wins! Then Lisa "Alien Showdance" Snowdon would have won last year!
And Emma would have won Mark Ramprakash's year (less bothered about this).”
maybe not have the judges choose who wins but i think that ALL the dances should be scored, otherwise whats the point of the first 2 dances? we may as well just have the show dance and be done with it
Originally Posted by richuk69:
“After last years fiasco and the controversy of Tom and Camilla winning last year i propose a new system so the judges have a say on who wins the final. The judges should score each dance including the showdance. The publics vote should count as one point and then the judges in turn should have a vote on who they think should win with Len having the casting vote if its a tie what does anyone else think?”
“After last years fiasco and the controversy of Tom and Camilla winning last year i propose a new system so the judges have a say on who wins the final. The judges should score each dance including the showdance. The publics vote should count as one point and then the judges in turn should have a vote on who they think should win with Len having the casting vote if its a tie what does anyone else think?”
SHould point out that Tom would have always been saved even if they had this years voting system R& L = 3 T = 2 plus the maximum points from voters and he would have avoided a dance off.
SO Tom was always going to be the winner.
Originally Posted by richuk69:
“maybe not have the judges choose who wins but i think that ALL the dances should be scored, otherwise whats the point of the first 2 dances? we may as well just have the show dance and be done with it”
“maybe not have the judges choose who wins but i think that ALL the dances should be scored, otherwise whats the point of the first 2 dances? we may as well just have the show dance and be done with it”
They scored the show dances in the first series.
I think it's fine how it is, to be honest. I just see the show dances as one last chance for the couples to impress the public and a bit of fun for them and us - it's often far too late to have too much bearing on the winner anyway, especially if you're the last one to dance!
No, the kupple with the most public votes should win. End of. If it's going to be a private dance contest for 4 to choose than I might as well switch off now and do something constructive every Saturday night instead from now until Christmas.
Originally Posted by nancy1975:
“No, the kupple with the most public votes should win. End of. If it's going to be a private dance contest for 4 to choose than I might as well switch off now and do something constructive every Saturday night instead from now until Christmas.”
“No, the kupple with the most public votes should win. End of. If it's going to be a private dance contest for 4 to choose than I might as well switch off now and do something constructive every Saturday night instead from now until Christmas.”
I agree with Nancy. Some of the winners would not have been my personal choice, but the public chooses the winner, end of discussion.
My blood pressure would not take letting the judges decide. Rachel or Lisa (who wasn't that good a dancer) would have won last year and the judges would make sure it was a dancer on the tour who won and not actually the best dancer/most likeable personality.
And which fiasco from last year are you referring to? There were so many.
And of the final 3, I don't think Tom was that bad a choice in the end, I preferred (alright obsessed about
) Austin but just because he didn't win doesn't mean I insist on the rules changing until he does.
Originally Posted by Alli-F:
“I agree with Nancy. Some of the winners would not have been my personal choice, but the public chooses the winner, end of discussion.
My blood pressure would not take letting the judges decide. Rachel or Lisa (who wasn't that good a dancer) would have won last year and the judges would make sure it was a dancer on the tour who won and not actually the best dancer/most likeable personality.
And which fiasco from last year are you referring to? There were so many.
And of the final 3, I don't think Tom was that bad a choice in the end, I preferred (alright obsessed about) Austin but just because he didn't win doesn't mean I insist on the rules changing until he does.”
“I agree with Nancy. Some of the winners would not have been my personal choice, but the public chooses the winner, end of discussion.
My blood pressure would not take letting the judges decide. Rachel or Lisa (who wasn't that good a dancer) would have won last year and the judges would make sure it was a dancer on the tour who won and not actually the best dancer/most likeable personality.
And which fiasco from last year are you referring to? There were so many.
And of the final 3, I don't think Tom was that bad a choice in the end, I preferred (alright obsessed about
) Austin but just because he didn't win doesn't mean I insist on the rules changing until he does.”
If I'm pleased about anything from last year, it was at least that the public favourite won in the end in spite of and because of the machinations and foul ups of the previous 2 weeks.
Like I say, if the OP thinks having those 4 who can't agree on the most basic things at the best of times choosing the winner is a good idea, than really the show is completely finished and it's time to pack it in. Cancel it. The final last year was the biggest anti climax ever because neither of the two girls could come anywhere near Tom in the voting. It was a given he'd win. THE DANCE OFF SHOULD BE DITCHED IN THE LAST HALF OF THE SERIES. Final time I shall say that. If the public aren't given the right to choose who should be in the final then they won't be very interested in the final. Or is that too logical?
Originally Posted by nancy1975:
“If I'm pleased about anything from last year, it was at least that the public favourite won in the end in spite of and because of the machinations and foul ups of the previous 2 weeks.
Like I say, if the OP thinks having those 4 who can't agree on the most basic things at the best of times choosing the winner is a good idea, than really the show is completely finished and it's time to pack it in. Cancel it. The final last year was the biggest anti climax ever because neither of the two girls could come anywhere near Tom in the voting. It was a given he'd win. THE DANCE OFF SHOULD BE DITCHED IN THE LAST HALF OF THE SERIES. Final time I shall say that. If the public aren't given the right to choose who should be in the final then they won't be very interested in the final. Or is that too logical?”
“If I'm pleased about anything from last year, it was at least that the public favourite won in the end in spite of and because of the machinations and foul ups of the previous 2 weeks.
Like I say, if the OP thinks having those 4 who can't agree on the most basic things at the best of times choosing the winner is a good idea, than really the show is completely finished and it's time to pack it in. Cancel it. The final last year was the biggest anti climax ever because neither of the two girls could come anywhere near Tom in the voting. It was a given he'd win. THE DANCE OFF SHOULD BE DITCHED IN THE LAST HALF OF THE SERIES. Final time I shall say that. If the public aren't given the right to choose who should be in the final then they won't be very interested in the final. Or is that too logical?”
Yup, too logical.
That's why Darcy's here. Not to completly stop it from happening but lessen the chances.
From the quarter finals onwards it'll mean the overall score for each couple will be out of 100, rather than the previous 80 (meaning there's less chance of a tie).
Keeping the 10s under raps could help a bit too though
From the quarter finals onwards it'll mean the overall score for each couple will be out of 100, rather than the previous 80 (meaning there's less chance of a tie).
Keeping the 10s under raps could help a bit too though
Originally Posted by nancy1975:
“If I'm pleased about anything from last year, it was at least that the public favourite won in the end in spite of and because of the machinations and foul ups of the previous 2 weeks.
Like I say, if the OP thinks having those 4 who can't agree on the most basic things at the best of times choosing the winner is a good idea, than really the show is completely finished and it's time to pack it in. Cancel it. The final last year was the biggest anti climax ever because neither of the two girls could come anywhere near Tom in the voting. It was a given he'd win. THE DANCE OFF SHOULD BE DITCHED IN THE LAST HALF OF THE SERIES. Final time I shall say that. If the public aren't given the right to choose who should be in the final then they won't be very interested in the final. Or is that too logical?”
“If I'm pleased about anything from last year, it was at least that the public favourite won in the end in spite of and because of the machinations and foul ups of the previous 2 weeks.
Like I say, if the OP thinks having those 4 who can't agree on the most basic things at the best of times choosing the winner is a good idea, than really the show is completely finished and it's time to pack it in. Cancel it. The final last year was the biggest anti climax ever because neither of the two girls could come anywhere near Tom in the voting. It was a given he'd win. THE DANCE OFF SHOULD BE DITCHED IN THE LAST HALF OF THE SERIES. Final time I shall say that. If the public aren't given the right to choose who should be in the final then they won't be very interested in the final. Or is that too logical?”
Last year's final was the most watched ever. By quite some distance. Although to be fair I don't think any of the finals have ever been anything other than a foregone conclusion. Mark vs Matt was the closest thing to a fight and even that was pretty obvious.
It's also worth pointing out that it was the public favourite out of the final 3 who won. Either Sarge or Austin easily could have been the public favourite at the time of their departure and hence also in the final. Just as in Series 5, where Gethin may well have been the public favourite. (Or indeed Christine Bleakley or Letitia Dean or Kenny Logan or Mark Foster or anybody eliminated when at the bottom of the judges table in the last 2 series, although it is admittedly harder to build a case for some of those than others)
The public have to have a say otherwise why would anyone watch?. Also we are set (are we not?) for a two couple final barring withdrawals, and if last year is anything to go by the judges give 4x10 for almost everything in the final so the public vote is more than necessary.
Please to ignore the bit in brackets in my last post. My Maths temporarily failed me, and it's too late to edit...
I don't think the scoring system for the final needs to be changed. Last year's result was only controversial because of what happened the week before (the judges tied Lisa & Rachel = no point voting for Tom = having to suspend the phone vote).
What they need to do is either scrap the dance off when they get down to three couples (at least, I think it should be scrapped when they get down to four couples) or force the judges to agree on a #1, #2, #3 ranking in the event of any ties.
What they need to do is either scrap the dance off when they get down to three couples (at least, I think it should be scrapped when they get down to four couples) or force the judges to agree on a #1, #2, #3 ranking in the event of any ties.
Hasn't the change this year in points allocated when a couple is tied solved this problem?
e.g. Couple 1 tied with Couple 2 and Couple 3 bottom then:
Couple 1: 3 points
Couple 2: 3 points
Couple 3: 2 points
Therefore Couple 3 can go through on the public vote if they come top of the public vote:
Couple 1: 3 points + 1 point = 4 points
Couple 2: 3 points + 2 points = 5 points
Couple 3: 2 points + 3 points = 5 points (automatically through as public vote counts more than judges)
e.g. Couple 1 tied with Couple 2 and Couple 3 bottom then:
Couple 1: 3 points
Couple 2: 3 points
Couple 3: 2 points
Therefore Couple 3 can go through on the public vote if they come top of the public vote:
Couple 1: 3 points + 1 point = 4 points
Couple 2: 3 points + 2 points = 5 points
Couple 3: 2 points + 3 points = 5 points (automatically through as public vote counts more than judges)
Originally Posted by hotpotato:
“The public have to have a say otherwise why would anyone watch?. Also we are set (are we not?) for a two couple final barring withdrawals, and if last year is anything to go by the judges give 4x10 for almost everything in the final so the public vote is more than necessary.”
“The public have to have a say otherwise why would anyone watch?. Also we are set (are we not?) for a two couple final barring withdrawals, and if last year is anything to go by the judges give 4x10 for almost everything in the final so the public vote is more than necessary.”
the point i'm trying to make is that the showdance seems to be the make or break for the couples dancing in the final the dances prior to that seem to be discarded we are all happy to accept the format that allows the jusges to decide who stays and who goes for every round up to the final surely its imperative that the judges have a say on who they think should be champions by casting a vote the public vote should count as one point can noone see what i'm trying to say?
Originally Posted by richuk69:
“the point i'm trying to make is that the showdance seems to be the make or break for the couples dancing in the final the dances prior to that seem to be discarded we are all happy to accept the format that allows the jusges to decide who stays and who goes for every round up to the final surely its imperative that the judges have a say on who they think should be champions by casting a vote the public vote should count as one point can noone see what i'm trying to say?”
“the point i'm trying to make is that the showdance seems to be the make or break for the couples dancing in the final the dances prior to that seem to be discarded we are all happy to accept the format that allows the jusges to decide who stays and who goes for every round up to the final surely its imperative that the judges have a say on who they think should be champions by casting a vote the public vote should count as one point can noone see what i'm trying to say?”
I'm not happy with the format and I don't accept it.
Every time they've changed the format it's got worse. Before the bloody dance off people could accept the decision of untold thousands of people and go and have a cup of tea. Now every week, who goes out is yet another pointless thread because it's on the say so of 4 people who don't necessarily speak for me any more than they speak for anyone else.
If we can't have the 100% say in the final then I won't be wasting the next 3 months in watching.
Originally Posted by nancy1975:
“I'm not happy with the format and I don't accept it.
Every time they've changed the format it's got worse. Before the bloody dance off people could accept the decision of untold thousands of people and go and have a cup of tea. Now every week, who goes out is yet another pointless thread because it's on the say so of 4 people who don't necessarily speak for me any more than they speak for anyone else.
If we can't have the 100% say in the final then I won't be wasting the next 3 months in watching.”
“I'm not happy with the format and I don't accept it.
Every time they've changed the format it's got worse. Before the bloody dance off people could accept the decision of untold thousands of people and go and have a cup of tea. Now every week, who goes out is yet another pointless thread because it's on the say so of 4 people who don't necessarily speak for me any more than they speak for anyone else.
If we can't have the 100% say in the final then I won't be wasting the next 3 months in watching.”
i'm happy about the dance off, it was becoming a popularity vote, after spoony got voted off unfairly without any come back but i just want to make sure that the final outcome is right i'm just throwing ideas out to see if we the public can help the bbc out of this fiasco they created. maybe no judges at all in the final and we vote on each dance round by round and then tally up the points???
It's doesn't really prevent a good dancer from going though since the judges make some stupid choices, saving Rav over Martina, Gabby vs Penny etc.
Originally Posted by richuk69:
“i'm happy about the dance off, it was becoming a popularity vote, after spoony got voted off unfairly without any come back but i just want to make sure that the final outcome is right i'm just throwing ideas out to see if we the public can help the bbc out of this fiasco they created. maybe no judges at all in the final and we vote on each dance round by round and then tally up the points???”
“i'm happy about the dance off, it was becoming a popularity vote, after spoony got voted off unfairly without any come back but i just want to make sure that the final outcome is right i'm just throwing ideas out to see if we the public can help the bbc out of this fiasco they created. maybe no judges at all in the final and we vote on each dance round by round and then tally up the points???”
I don't think Spoony got voted off unfairly. He didn't do a good routine, he was in the middle of the board, and he was a bit big headed. 3 good reasons for people not to want to vote for him.
Until they ditch the dance off, I have no interest in helping anyone out of any mess which they've created over 3 years, or indeed caring about who wins at all this year. Though for the record I hope Ali beats Ricky W.
from the feedback i'm getting is there any point in having judges on the show?? we want to have 100% say so we may as well have a straight fight between all of the couples!
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