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Old 12-10-2009, 08:59
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What's more, both could very easily be given at least acceptable workarounds with very minor changes - forcing a power up when supplied with electricity, and optionally defaulting to NOT scan on EPG changes.
I thought that would be a solution but then I realised that unless they have some way of noting that the power up was forced they would not know whether or not to switch the box off after resetting the clock (or countdown timer - whichever they use).

So you'd be left with the undesirable situation that a PF just after you went on holiday would leave the box powered up until you came back - which might have knock on effects on housekeeping.

Edit: Unless, of course, they used the fact that the clock was not set to a realistic time as a marker that it was a forced power up. Without the a lot more information about the internals of the box it's hard to know with any degree of certainty.
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Old 12-10-2009, 10:37
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Hopefully nobody will have as bad a problem with electricity power supply staying on in the house as I do. Its terrible. Sometimes I can lose power 3 times in 24 hours and I am affected almost every day. Though I tend to curse the electricity supply problem I have rather than the various items in the house that might be affected.

I do find the workaround of just leaving the machine on when going away does work. I would recommend anyone who is agitated about an affected tv recorder to do the same. You can also, if you wish, set the machine in the settings menu to go into standby around the time it does housekeeping, and then back to go back to on mode but I haven’t bothered with that myself when going away. Also, why not write to Humax about it because if there is more than a tiny minority affected the helpdesk might pass it on for someone to have a look.

Humax may find there are reasons they will not in the end change the Foxsats own clock issue when it goes straight to standby after powering up.

If that becomes the case I too agree a good workaround would be for Humax to set the behaviour of the machine to switch to on when powering up the receiver. In many ways that makes more sense than what it can do now - i.e. switching off to standby when a user powers the machine on.

The benefits to those of us with electricity supply problems is obvious, and I believe the machine can automatically set itself into standby later, if there is something like 3 hours of inactivity. Therefore the PVR can still do housekeeping if it needs to.

I am hoping to get the electricty supply problem I have in my house sorted one way or another in the next couple of months. I hope
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Old 12-10-2009, 11:23
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Hopefully nobody will have as bad a problem with electricity power supply staying on in the house as I do. Its terrible. Sometimes I can lose power 3 times in 24 hours and I am affected almost every day. Though I tend to curse the electricity supply problem I have rather than the various items in the house that might be affected.

I do find the workaround of just leaving the machine on when going away does work. I would recommend anyone who is agitated about an affected tv recorder to do the same. You can also, if you wish, set the machine in the settings menu to go into standby around the time it does housekeeping, and then back to go back to on mode but I haven’t bothered with that myself when going away. Also, why not write to Humax about it because if there is more than a tiny minority affected the helpdesk might pass it on for someone to have a look.

Humax may find there are reasons they will not in the end change the Foxsats own clock issue when it goes straight to standby after powering up.

If that becomes the case I too agree a good workaround would be for Humax to set the behaviour of the machine to switch to on when powering up the receiver. In many ways that makes more sense than what it can do now - i.e. switching off to standby when a user powers the machine on.

The benefits to those of us with electricity supply problems is obvious, and I believe the machine can automatically set itself into standby later, if there is something like 3 hours of inactivity. Therefore the PVR can still do housekeeping if it needs to.

I am hoping to get the electricty supply problem I have in my house sorted one way or another in the next couple of months. I hope
Goodness gracious where on earth do you live ?. I am gueesing you have to be on an overhead supply but even so that's an inordinately high failure rate. What on earth do your electricity supplier say about this ?
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Old 12-10-2009, 11:51
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Goodness gracious where on earth do you live ?. I am gueesing you have to be on an overhead supply but even so that's an inordinately high failure rate. What on earth do your electricity supplier say about this ?
It started around last October and was this bad until around May time when things settled down. I thought the problem had gone but it happened on the odd occasion over the last few months. Now its October time and its got bad again. I've had one electrician, and two former electricans look at it for me as a favour and none could find where the fault is. Now I have my mobility and dexterity I am going to find a suitable electrician / home improvments forum and see if I can get assistance to troubleshoot this. The 3 who have been here before say its something to do with my house rather than the electricity board. I don't want to go far off topic here but I am determined to get this situation resolved one way or the other in the next couple of months and have been saving some pennies in case I need an electrics overhall here.
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Old 12-10-2009, 12:06
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It started around last October and was this bad until around May time when things settled down. I thought the problem had gone but it happened on the odd occasion over the last few months. Now its October time and its got bad again. I've had one electrician, and two former electricans look at it for me as a favour and none could find where the fault is. Now I have my mobility and dexterity I am going to find a suitable electrician / home improvments forum and see if I can get assistance to troubleshoot this. The 3 who have been here before say its something to do with my house rather than the electricity board. I don't want to go far off topic here but I am determined to get this situation resolved one way or the other in the next couple of months and have been saving some pennies in case I need an electrics overhall here.
Presumably this is due to something tripping as opposed to the supply just coming and going spontaneously?

Is it an RCD trip?
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Old 12-10-2009, 12:15
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Duplicate.
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Old 12-10-2009, 12:57
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It started around last October and was this bad until around May time when things settled down. I thought the problem had gone but it happened on the odd occasion over the last few months. Now its October time and its got bad again. I've had one electrician, and two former electricans look at it for me as a favour and none could find where the fault is. Now I have my mobility and dexterity I am going to find a suitable electrician / home improvments forum and see if I can get assistance to troubleshoot this. The 3 who have been here before say its something to do with my house rather than the electricity board. I don't want to go far off topic here but I am determined to get this situation resolved one way or the other in the next couple of months and have been saving some pennies in case I need an electrics overhall here.
As Tern says if it's a problem caused by nuisance tripping of a RCD in your property it may well be that you have an appliance connected that has a higher earth leakage current than the rcd trip is designed to operate on. It's possible that the offending appliance is thermostically controlled like for instance an immersion heater or freezer. If you have a freezer or fridge in an unheated garage for instance that could well be a prime suspect as if the temperature falls below the dew point condensation may well explain the problem and also explain why it's happening now we have the colder evenings.
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Old 12-10-2009, 12:58
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With the problem being mainly between Oct. & May I'd suggest either something in the central heating system is faulty or damp is getting into something.
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Old 12-10-2009, 14:54
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I have admit that after I performed the "Factory Reset" and a couple of other tweaks two weeks ago, all the scheduled programmes have recorded whilst I've been away at the weekends. Prior to this MOTD/MOTD2 had never recorded since Dec 2008...

However I'm still waiting for any response from Humax Tech support... I'll start whistling shall I...
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Old 12-10-2009, 17:46
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Some good news

http://www.hummy.org.uk/forums/showt...6334#post43498
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Old 12-10-2009, 18:09
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sounds very hopefull
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Old 12-10-2009, 18:13
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If they've done all that I think there are going to be some very happy bunnies around.
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Old 12-10-2009, 18:23
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No release date however...

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Old 12-10-2009, 18:27
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Originally Posted by hummyuzer
Unfortunatley he was not able to tell me when the update would be released as he said it had been delayed due to something out of his control.
I guess that would be the iplayer not being ready?
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Old 12-10-2009, 18:33
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I guess that would be the iplayer not being ready?
How irksome.
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Old 12-10-2009, 18:47
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So you'd be left with the undesirable situation that a PF just after you went on holiday would leave the box powered up until you came back - which might have knock on effects on housekeeping.
I would rather have that, than the current situation. Although others may disagree.

That said, Automatic standby is enabled by default, so it should just go back to standby after a certain period of time anyway.
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Old 12-10-2009, 18:48
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If they've done all that I think there are going to be some very happy bunnies around.
I agree that the list looks very promising. Just a pity that they couldn't have released just a few of those fixes a lot earlier.
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Old 13-10-2009, 10:16
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Well theres 3 things on there that i am very pleased with.

Lock up when recording 2 TV channels and changing to radio - Fixed
A not widely reported bug but one that caused my box to lock up several times before i worked out what was causing it. ( I am surprised that they havn't fixed this sooner as it causes a lock up. )

Schedules being deleted on first and subsequent non-freesat scans - Fixed
Ive never done a non freesat scan due to the fact that my schedules would be lost, so i should be able to use non freesat mode for the first time.

And of course the deleting while recording feature.

Very good news if its true
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Old 13-10-2009, 10:23
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cant see a mention of dimming the display
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Old 13-10-2009, 10:34
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cant see a mention of dimming the display
I doubt the box has the hardware internally to manage this
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Old 13-10-2009, 11:30
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Looking through the list it does look as if the main issues are going to be addressed. About time too.

I hope more changes will be announced soon though and that this is just the start of coming announcements of changes.

Although..No mention of the the whole file organisation area for example and another issue I hate is when it drops out of recording when you are using the buffer and you have to go to the media screen to watch the rest. I would also love to have the FTP function.

Overall very good news Can we have it now? minus Iplayer

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Old 13-10-2009, 11:31
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I can't say that the changes announced so far are going to change my life.
The delete while recording bug is a non-issue for me, as I have upgraded to a 1Tb disk and ditto wrt the new autodelete feature.
The wipe schedules when non-Freesat scanning bug: The only time I have had to do a new Freesat scan was when ITV HD screwed up the box. I don't view ITV HD anymore, especially as the quality is appalling.
So the wipe ITV HD schedules when Freesat scanning also isn't a problem.

I don't listen to radio on the box so no lockups.
Never had a problem with lip-sync, so no change.
Never seen the sub-title problem.
My post code worked OK and my dish is giving two strong signals.
BBC iPlayer, I can't see working on my 40" set unless I downgrade the broadcast picture quality to 'appalling'.

I am concerned about dropping support for external Ext2 drives. Does that mean all Linux drives or will Ext3 still be supported?
I can appreciate that all of the above problems are real and cause hassle to people whose usage requires these features.

What I am looking for is:-
a more seamless integration of non-Freesat channels.
A standard recovery from a power failure.
I am going to have a scheduled power cut on Thursday. 3 weeks from now that would have been in the middle of a 3 week holiday. So no recordings. My sky+ box didn't have a power problem nor should the Humax.

I also agree with froxfieldrover. The file organisation is non-intuitive and frankly, sometimes quite baffling!
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Old 13-10-2009, 11:45
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I am concerned about dropping support for external Ext2 drives. Does that mean all Linux drives or will Ext3 still be supported?

I also agree with froxfieldrover. The file organisation is non-intuitive and frankly, sometimes quite baffling!
Read the rest of the thread - http://www.hummy.org.uk/forums/showt...3518#post43518

Personally, I like Folders. I'm intrigued, can you expand a bit more on your file issues?

Rgds.


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Old 13-10-2009, 12:11
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I can't say that the changes announced so far are going to change my life.
The delete while recording bug is a non-issue for me, as I have upgraded to a 1Tb disk and ditto wrt the new autodelete feature.
The wipe schedules when non-Freesat scanning bug: The only time I have had to do a new Freesat scan was when ITV HD screwed up the box. I don't view ITV HD anymore, especially as the quality is appalling.
So the wipe ITV HD schedules when Freesat scanning also isn't a problem.

I don't listen to radio on the box so no lockups.
Never had a problem with lip-sync, so no change.
Never seen the sub-title problem.
My post code worked OK and my dish is giving two strong signals.
BBC iPlayer, I can't see working on my 40" set unless I downgrade the broadcast picture quality to 'appalling'.

I am concerned about dropping support for external Ext2 drives. Does that mean all Linux drives or will Ext3 still be supported?
I can appreciate that all of the above problems are real and cause hassle to people whose usage requires these features.

What I am looking for is:-
a more seamless integration of non-Freesat channels.
A standard recovery from a power failure.
I am going to have a scheduled power cut on Thursday. 3 weeks from now that would have been in the middle of a 3 week holiday. So no recordings. My sky+ box didn't have a power problem nor should the Humax.

I also agree with froxfieldrover. The file organisation is non-intuitive and frankly, sometimes quite baffling!
EXT2 never worked anyway
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Old 13-10-2009, 12:29
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Read the rest of the thread - http://www.hummy.org.uk/forums/showt...3518#post43518

Personally, I like Folders. I'm intrigued, can you expand a bit more on your file issues?

Rgds.


Les.

Well for me - it's the number of key presses to do anything. It's having to press umpteen number of buttons to do anything useful and not in a natural flowing way, plus the way you select files to move into new folders, also I believe the confirm here is different to other areas of the box? the way that if you delete something from the wrong side of the split screen it can freeze. The non intuitive moving of files. The non intuitive delete of folders, the unfriendly design of the screen etc..

The folders should also have a symbol next to them in the main view to show if there is anything unwatched in them so that you don't have to click into each folder every time.

I am getting used to the way it works now but still think it is very inelegant/poor design. I like the idea of folders though.

Patrick
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