The poster you are replying to quite clearly said that they had done lots of work supporting LGBT causes. How is that nothing!? You seem to deliberately be ignoring what they are saying in order to have a go at them because they don't agree with your views.

People who don't want equal rights for gay and bisexual people are narrow minded and cannot see things from another point of view. Ironic that you don't seem to be able to do the same.

The joke is people totally overreacting and going mental over one comment from Dannii, calling her patronising, homophobic and other names, when the "Louis is gay" thing has been going on for all 6 series! If you were so offended, surely you'd have switched off by now?

Oh I forgot, Dannii said it and she's the devil incarnate so she deserves all this for one comment to HER FRIEND Louis who takes it all on the chin and gives as good as he gets.

Get a grip.

In a strange kind of way, in her comments to Danyl Dannii was being accepting of gay people. Theoretically, why should a bisexual or gay person feel that they have to make the effort to change "him" to "her" in a song? It shouldn't be an issue any more.

Agreed - and that's what I think her point was. However so many people are quick to judge and so quick to shout "Sack [insert name here]!!!!" that they haven't actually thought about what she may have meant and why she felt the need to say it. Or find out whether Danyl was actually upset about it, which he wasn't.

Cheers lissa - I was going to respond to the troll but he is not worth the time and effort. Clearly not interested in any view but his own. I didn't realise that participating and campaigning was nothing. Nice to know I have clearly wasted the last 9 years of my life.

The original point I was trying to make was that of human decency.

I understand that in banter, people criticize all sorts of things and I feel in the main, banter falls into two camps.

1, The criticism of something that "can be changed" or "improved"
i.e performance, dress sense, professionalism, etc. A witty comment can push someone to do better.

2, Then, there is criticism of things that can't be changed
i.e sexuality, big nose, ginger hair, height, ethnic race etc. Banter here translates into spiteful and snide criticism and that is unjust. (Michael Jackson apparently had his main surgery on his face because he was called big nose.)

Snide comments about personal aspects, only serve to bully or make fun of the person it is aimed at. It's not constructive - its destructive. Its not funny - its hurtful.

In Danni's stage manged apology, she at least recognised that she offended, and her apology reflected the offense she caused. (it wasn't heartfelt, as she continues to try to explain it away.)

To all those who say.... nahhh she wasn't offensive, its was just a joke, and

...what she really meant to say was....(when we heard twice what she actually said.)

and Louis doesnt mind being called MISS Walsh (when I have seen him squirm with embarrassment in the past, and Simon Cowel too, when Gay innuendo is aimed at him.)

....Then you are part of the problem when you ought to be part of the solution.

I'll leave this now as there is no more that I can say. As the old saying goes....there are non so blind as those that refuse to see.

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Originally Posted by lovelylissa

The poster you are replying to quite clearly said that they had done lots of work supporting LGBT causes. How is that nothing!? You seem to deliberately be ignoring what they are saying in order to have a go at them because they don't agree with your views.


Just to clarify Daewos:

Daewos said
....Education for the young, the Courts system and Religion were the causes that he was concerned about.

I asked Daewos what he had done to further these causes, (Education for the young, the Courts system and Religion) and he replied that he has attended Gay Pride marches, and has been a member of Gay and Lesbian group.

Have I missed something ? - how does that help the causes he identified. Surly if you want to change the education system and the Court system then you should be lobbying Government or something. Religion - well I dont know.

Well I'll give Daewos the courtesy again:

WHAT have YOU done to further the causes you believe in i.e
Education for the young, the Courts system and Religion ?

Some people

You're welcome

I said I was going to ignore you, but this is beyond a joke. Let us look at what I actually said:


Your twisting of this is something that Goebbels would be proud of. They were simply areas where homophobia is real, not a silly television show. I did not claim that I was involved in these areas. Am I a student, NO Am I a lawyer, NO Am I religious, NO. So why should I be involved directly in these areas. In fact I said if YOU in the comment, not I

I am involved in the LGBT group in my area and my work - I take part in campaigning and supporting. I will take part in Pride and I will take part in demos. That is how I support gay rights. The above areas will be involved to some degree as part of my involvement. If it is not enough for you, tough.

If you wish to have a sensible discussion drop this petty and vindictive attitude. In fact, put me on ignore, i am sure everyone else is as bored with this whole discussion as I am.
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It was just as annoying as it was last year when Simon and Dermot took the same line of slagging towards Louis and which lots of people here said they found annoying and cringeworthy. Thankfully they gave it up after a few weeks. I was cringing a bit for both Dannii and Louis, especially when it was said twice. It also sounded quite forced coming from Dannii. Pick something else to slag him about, please.
Lots of people here said they found it annoying last year, actually.

People just love throwing out racism and homophobe cards whenever it suits them these days. It is all double standard anyway because non-white people are "allowed" to use racist words as if they are not but if a non-black person speaks them it is offensive. Similar with the people accusing others of being a homophobe. Just jump straight on anyone who says something they think is offensive and hurl abuse. I did not get why she mentioned about the lyric change at first but now i understand what it was meant as. All the complaints about getting her fired are quite over the top. Anyway the only person she would have offended has spoken that it is all fine so it should be left alone. Just like that race row on BBC, the person whom would have been offended has said she has accepted the apology. Move on.

Do you mean if a white person calls a black person something racist, then its permissible - if a black person did it too.

On that basis, is it ok to steal something from a man, if a man has ever stolen from a thief.

When does 2 wrongs make a right ?

I think intent has something to with it as well. Ni****, Pa**, etc are all unacceptable in a just society. Why would You want to call someone that, when those words come with all sorts of negative connotations ?



Danyl wants to have a fair shot a winning - why would he rock the boat ?

Dannii's apology was hardly heat felt was it. The only remorse she has is alienating the very people who have lined hers, and hers sister pockets throughout their careers.

If it was Chinese people that mainly bought her records then she would be touring China and Chinese clubs and saying how she has many Chinese friends, etc etc -

Dannii has no gay credentials, only pink pounds in her bank account.

I and millions of others were offended and shocked. Danyl was left in tears and dumbfounded on stage, and the audience gasped. Simon was shocked (although he now says he "might" have overreacted) I don't think he did over react, Danni threw Danyl's sexuality into the arena live on TV. That is unacceptable. I and millions didn't know his sexuality, it didn't seem important while I was listening and enjoying his performance. It was Danni that changed my mood from pleasure to shock and a feeling of injustice.

Anyway this thread is about Danni thinking it's ok to ridicule Louis by calling him MISS Walsh. Do you think that's fair ?

What kind of bullying message do you think is that sending to people ?
That its ok to ridicule gay people about their sexuality!

The wrong message me thinks.

Louis walsh, is an irrelevancy as a judge on x factor - he spouts boring tired cliches week after week. "You made it your own", "You look like a popstar, you sound like a popstar".....yada, yada, yawn, yawn. He has zero musical taste or ability or he would not have selected the talentless John & Edward.

So he get's called Louise or Miss Walsh, it's all as irrelevent as he is.

He is nothing more than a booking agent!!

Danniis comments being linked to the term 'bullying'. I've heard it all now.

Why is this still an issue?
Miss Frank = Miss Walsh
It's a joke!

That's one broken gaydar you have there OP.

Funniest. Thread. Ever.

Can't adults have a bit of banter without people being offended? If he is bothered by it then let him deal with it himself. Surely if you can laugh at yourself then you are in a good place? A bit of banter and teasing is part of life and people who take themselves too seriously are the ones likely to encounter problems.

Hardly !

Miss Frank were not on the X Factor last year. Louis got snide remarks then, and the year before that.

Good try tho at damage limitation.

I bet they will be respectful to Louis now he's in mourning.

I bet you wont hear one "harmless jibe" (well for a few weeks at least), about his sexuality.



Yup I'm all for banter, teasing and fun, problem is when it's a variation of the same poor taste joke that keeps being rolled out as an attack on him.

Obviously like Simon (who is allegedly bisexual) Louis Walsh doesn't want to be blatant about about his sexuality either or he would just say HEY. I AM GAY - WHAT OF IT DANNI.

Then Danni would be on the spot again without a defence.
Until Max invents one of ...what she really meant was...

If he don't wonna come out on TV that's his choice - not someone else's.

There's plenty to pick fun at Louis for - just leave the playground Your gay..ha ha your gay ha ha your gay gay gay gay in the play ground.

Yah, at boot camp she sounded like a big drag queen when she was talking to her group, her voice was deep n hoarse .. like a mans.

That is an excellent post.Especially for those moaning about "get a sense of humour" or "too politically correct". You outlined why people were offended.If her defenders cant get that then give up on them.

The truth be known his sexuality had nothing to do with the performacen so why bring it up? And the Miss Walsh comments were a put-down. They were designed to humiliate - just like Simons and Dermots were last year.

She was rightly pulled up on it and didnt look too recalcitrant when she issued her apology...

And he has said that it was Louis and Cheryl's comments he was upset about.

THANKS FOR YOUR SUPPORT. IT'S APPRECIATED.

4000 complain to Ofcom about Danni

I bet now she's sorry for real. Sorry for herself no doubt

My complaint included the the put downs to Louis. I hope they take that on board and boot her off. She's not as popular as Ross so is expendable.

oh how we laughed at yr post

ridiculous

get a grip

miss frankk - miss walsh - louis is KNOWN as queen louis in the biz and is not in the closet- whatever next! you'll be saying sinitta is 40 next.....

and who's Daryle????? are you sure you are watching the right show?