Why did the judges give such ridiculously high scores to Ricki, he was almost static, his legs hardly moved and the girl did all the dancing, even Len said that the second part was just a repeat of the first. Is there a hidden agenda to keep him in??
Ricki High Scores?
Ricky is a very good dancer with a lot of natural rhythm and movement. The routine last night let him down - he could have done more than that.
I thought Jade and Ian were better and should have got higher marks.....however I dont think there is any agenda with Ricky W he is a good dancer.
What I didnt like was Natalie thinking 'ooh the judges all liked Rav's cartwheel last week lets put in a backflip' It backfired on them
What I didnt like was Natalie thinking 'ooh the judges all liked Rav's cartwheel last week lets put in a backflip' It backfired on them
I think if you watch Katya's reaction you'll understand. She actually said "fantastic" to the person sat next to her. I didn't like it much at the time but, did admire how in sync they were and on watching a second time he really did look as if he was enjoying himself.
I agreed with Alesha and Len that it was a "lazy" Salsa for someone of his talent but, the scores were deserved.
I agreed with Alesha and Len that it was a "lazy" Salsa for someone of his talent but, the scores were deserved.
Originally Posted by claire2281:
“Ricky is a very good dancer with a lot of natural rhythm and movement. The routine last night let him down - he could have done more than that.”
“Ricky is a very good dancer with a lot of natural rhythm and movement. The routine last night let him down - he could have done more than that.”
I agree but I also think he was over marked because they got the same marks as Ali and Brian and in my opinon their dance was way better.
I think the scores were fair for the routine. I always enjoy watching him dance but the choreography was a bit cheesy and I wasn't over-fond of this Jackson 5 track.
It's a shame that this was Ricky's third Latin in a row - Cha Cha, Paso and then Salsa. I would have liked to have seen him do a Foxtrot this week to break it up a bit - maybe we're getting too familiar with his style of Latin and it's losing some of its impact - the context of Ballroom one week then Latin the next gives a fairer perspective.
It's a shame that this was Ricky's third Latin in a row - Cha Cha, Paso and then Salsa. I would have liked to have seen him do a Foxtrot this week to break it up a bit - maybe we're getting too familiar with his style of Latin and it's losing some of its impact - the context of Ballroom one week then Latin the next gives a fairer perspective.
She acknowledged that he was a good dancer and that he danced it well, which I suppose could just about justify her 8. She was criticising the routine rather than the dancing.
Originally Posted by BirthdayGirl:
“If Alesha thought it was "lazy" why give Ricki an 8???????”
“If Alesha thought it was "lazy" why give Ricki an 8???????”
Because there was very little to fault. He was in sync with his partner out of hold and danced well with her. Why she and Len thought it lazy was because the choreography repeated itself.
I too would have given it an 8 but, did feel let down because Ricky was capable of giving us so much more.
Not a salsa expert, but that routine seemed more like disco to me, Ricky didn't seem to do a lot with his feet, and all his backsteps where very large, not a lot of salsa to my untrained eye, 7 at the most. Ricky is better than this routine.
Originally Posted by Strictlymad:
“I agree but I also think he was over marked because they got the same marks as Ali and Brian and in my opinon their dance was way better.”
“I agree but I also think he was over marked because they got the same marks as Ali and Brian and in my opinon their dance was way better.”
I'm 50/50 on that.
Ali's routine was better and she did the technical side well but she had little to no performance. Ricky had a lot of performance and 'omph' but his routine wasn't good enough. About equal imo.
If it weren't for Hollyoaks, which I think has seriously compromised his practise time, the amount of energy he had to give and the choreography I reckon he'd have been pushing the boundaries this week, marks-wise.
I thought the marks were about right.
I was a touch disappointed with Ali and Ricky W's efforts though.
Ali's routine contained lots of slick moves but she didn't inject enough personality into the dance.
Conversely, Ricky W sold the dance well, but there weren't any wow moments. It was far too safe. What he did, he did well though.
I was a touch disappointed with Ali and Ricky W's efforts though.
Ali's routine contained lots of slick moves but she didn't inject enough personality into the dance.
Conversely, Ricky W sold the dance well, but there weren't any wow moments. It was far too safe. What he did, he did well though.
I take it we are talking about Ricky Whittle?
I'd hardly call last night score ridiculously high at all. It was the 13th highest Salsa of all time out of 30 times the salsa has been danced. So in comparison it's pretty average.
But if you look at just the male salsas there have been nine better and only three worse (including Phil and Chris last night). So the judges have marked Ricky tenth of fourteen male salsas.
Still overmarked?
I'd hardly call last night score ridiculously high at all. It was the 13th highest Salsa of all time out of 30 times the salsa has been danced. So in comparison it's pretty average.
But if you look at just the male salsas there have been nine better and only three worse (including Phil and Chris last night). So the judges have marked Ricky tenth of fourteen male salsas.
Still overmarked?
Originally Posted by kassieq:
“Not a salsa expert, but that routine seemed more like disco to me, Ricky didn't seem to do a lot with his feet, and all his backsteps where very large, not a lot of salsa to my untrained eye, 7 at the most. Ricky is better than this routine.”
“Not a salsa expert, but that routine seemed more like disco to me, Ricky didn't seem to do a lot with his feet, and all his backsteps where very large, not a lot of salsa to my untrained eye, 7 at the most. Ricky is better than this routine.”
It reminded me a touch of Kelly Brook's 'staying alive' routine with Brendan. The judges lambasted Brendan's choreography back then too.
It wasnt bad, but he could do better.
They had a problem.Ricky W hadn't been able to do enough work and the routine wasn't that good and even repeated itself to fill the time with no more learning needed. If they gave him less than 32 it would have sent the message he was falling fast down the leaderboard and they would have had difficulty with the rest of their marks giving Nathalie and Ricky G less than him. They didn't want that negative story sent yet. Similarly if they gave Ali more than him it would look like the order had reversed and make her the new front runner . They undermarked Ali and overmarked him and put them both on 32.To do that, as they couldn't say anything about Ali's technique, they claimed it was her performance (which is OK on every shot I can see enough of ) or implicitly the choreography. They then threw two people above them in the order, so it ended up looking like there was a real competition at the top. Leila possibly belonged there - Zoe looked overmarked, again.
Thats the complicated solution. The more random one is that , as with Lisa, they see something there thats not with Zoe , they don't know how to mark for difficulty fairly, they are marking Ricky W on reputation and Len's marking is often random anyway.
Thats the complicated solution. The more random one is that , as with Lisa, they see something there thats not with Zoe , they don't know how to mark for difficulty fairly, they are marking Ricky W on reputation and Len's marking is often random anyway.
Originally Posted by -Sid-:
“I thought the marks were about right.
I was a touch disappointed with Ali and Ricky W's efforts though.
Ali's routine contained lots of slick moves but she didn't inject enough personality into the dance.
Conversely, Ricky W sold the dance well, but there weren't any wow moments. It was far too safe. What he did, he did well though.”
“I thought the marks were about right.
I was a touch disappointed with Ali and Ricky W's efforts though.
Ali's routine contained lots of slick moves but she didn't inject enough personality into the dance.
Conversely, Ricky W sold the dance well, but there weren't any wow moments. It was far too safe. What he did, he did well though.”
I agree. Given that they were both over-marked, it was about right.
Ali had better choreography, her technique was good ( not great) but she didn't really "sell" the dance. The Salsa is supposed to be a "party" dance, Ali's party looked a bit flat.
Ricky's choreography was poor, and rather repetitive. However his performance was very good. He seemed to be well within his comfort zone, he makes difficult moves look effortless. For that reason, I thought it was a little lazy..as Alysha commented.
Originally Posted by Quizmike:
“I take it we are talking about Ricky Whittle?
I'd hardly call last night score ridiculously high at all. It was the 13th highest Salsa of all time out of 30 times the salsa has been danced. So in comparison it's pretty average.
But if you look at just the male salsas there have been nine better and only three worse (including Phil and Chris last night). So the judges have marked Ricky tenth of fourteen male salsas.
Still overmarked?”
“I take it we are talking about Ricky Whittle?
I'd hardly call last night score ridiculously high at all. It was the 13th highest Salsa of all time out of 30 times the salsa has been danced. So in comparison it's pretty average.
But if you look at just the male salsas there have been nine better and only three worse (including Phil and Chris last night). So the judges have marked Ricky tenth of fourteen male salsas.
Still overmarked?”
Maybe, but the thing is, besides the performance and va-va-voom black-flip-hip-gyrating-finger-pointing-filthy-expression marlaky at one point of his dance, I can't see much of Salsa in that routine.
Also, have to say, after watching Jade's salsa, it was even less than Ricky's in terms of salsa content. It looked so much like a cha-cha in disguise, and what's with that Isle-of-Mann pose at the end? I was too distraught by Ian's red trousers to notice just how underwhelming and low-salsa content Jade's dance was. No wonder the scores were so low for Jade!
Originally Posted by Quizmike:
“I take it we are talking about Ricky Whittle?
I'd hardly call last night score ridiculously high at all. It was the 13th highest Salsa of all time out of 30 times the salsa has been danced. So in comparison it's pretty average.
Still overmarked?”
“I take it we are talking about Ricky Whittle?
I'd hardly call last night score ridiculously high at all. It was the 13th highest Salsa of all time out of 30 times the salsa has been danced. So in comparison it's pretty average.
Still overmarked?”
8s and if I remember correctly a 9? yes because he was only walking in parts of it, watch the repeats.
Originally Posted by valkay:
“8s and if I remember correctly a 9? yes because he was only walking in parts of it, watch the repeats.”
“8s and if I remember correctly a 9? yes because he was only walking in parts of it, watch the repeats.”
Yeah I know I watched the first time around. Was just trying to put some context into the arguement.
It was four 8s by the way.
Like it or not, the dances as performed on the night are what the marks should be based on, not the dancers, their potential their past performances and any problems they may or may not have had recently. Ricky was dreadfully under-rehearsed It showed and I think he was probably overmarked. Phil had the knee operation and the inevitable weakness showed in a weak performance. He was probably overmarked.
Judged on the performances each week so far, few of the couples in each dance-off deserved to be there ON THE NIGHT, even if all who have been in that situation have had little or no chance of winning.
Please, let's judge on the dancing and not according to whether he or she is cute/sexy/on my favourite show/whatever.
Judged on the performances each week so far, few of the couples in each dance-off deserved to be there ON THE NIGHT, even if all who have been in that situation have had little or no chance of winning.
Please, let's judge on the dancing and not according to whether he or she is cute/sexy/on my favourite show/whatever.
Originally Posted by valkay:
“8s and if I remember correctly a 9? yes because he was only walking in parts of it, watch the repeats.”
“8s and if I remember correctly a 9? yes because he was only walking in parts of it, watch the repeats.”
He did not get a nine this week and quite rightly so. If he had not had such a repetitive routine then I'm pretty sure he would have scored nines. I know a LOT of people dislike the guy because he is so talented and confident, but, please watch the repeats and take note of his scores. As for his "walking" it was still far more graceful than several of the other competitors on the show. Still if he is voted off because he's not humble enough for the average viewer then sobeit. I for one think he's fantastic and comes across as a guy who is really enjoying the SCD experience. I really do hope he makes it to the final but, fear that Joe has a bigger fanbase and is more likely to do so. Still at least he's humble, and is a trier and therefore in the eyes of many a far more worthy champion, even if he does have two left feet.
Originally Posted by *Laura*:
“He did not get a nine this week and quite rightly so. If he had not had such a repetitive routine then I'm pretty sure he would have scored nines. I know a LOT of people dislike the guy because he is so talented and confident, but, please watch the repeats and take note of his scores. As for his "walking" it was still far more graceful than several of the other competitors on the show. Still if he is voted off because he's not humble enough for the average viewer then sobeit. I for one think he's fantastic and comes across as a guy who is really enjoying the SCD experience. I really do hope he makes it to the final but, fear that Joe has a bigger fanbase and is more likely to do so. Still at least he's humble, and is a trier and therefore in the eyes of many a far more worthy champion, even if he does have two left feet.”
“He did not get a nine this week and quite rightly so. If he had not had such a repetitive routine then I'm pretty sure he would have scored nines. I know a LOT of people dislike the guy because he is so talented and confident, but, please watch the repeats and take note of his scores. As for his "walking" it was still far more graceful than several of the other competitors on the show. Still if he is voted off because he's not humble enough for the average viewer then sobeit. I for one think he's fantastic and comes across as a guy who is really enjoying the SCD experience. I really do hope he makes it to the final but, fear that Joe has a bigger fanbase and is more likely to do so. Still at least he's humble, and is a trier and therefore in the eyes of many a far more worthy champion, even if he does have two left feet.”
I'm with you! Agree wholeheartedly
Gosh not another thread about Ricky!!!
I agree it was not his finest performance but I think that is due to the fact with full storylines in Hollyoaks he has had very little time to reherse it. I have always wondered why people who are working quite hard go in for SCD as it must be extremely demanding and tiring etc.
Anyhow I did enjoy his dance as usual and thought the marks were about right. The thing with Ricky is also that he sells the dance and looks as if he is really enjoying it.
I agree it was not his finest performance but I think that is due to the fact with full storylines in Hollyoaks he has had very little time to reherse it. I have always wondered why people who are working quite hard go in for SCD as it must be extremely demanding and tiring etc.
Anyhow I did enjoy his dance as usual and thought the marks were about right. The thing with Ricky is also that he sells the dance and looks as if he is really enjoying it.
