BT Vision will not meet 3 million target

warrior51 · 12-10-2009, 19:03

Monday October 12, 2009

BT Vision will not meet 3 million subs target by 2011

BT Vision has admitted it won't even come close to meeting its target of three million subscribers by the end of 2010.
The broadband/Freeview hybrid TV service will more than double its subscriber base to one million, claims CEO Marc Watson.

Watson claims BT Vision has had trouble communicating its message to consumers, and has been hampered by a lack of premium content.

He tells the Financial Times that BT is hoping to win access to Premiership football and other high value content in the wake of Ofcom's ongoing pay-TV investigation.

Report from the What Satellite and TV website.

stuntmaster · 13-10-2009, 00:07

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Originally Posted by warrior51

Monday October 12, 2009

BT Vision will not meet 3 million subs target by 2011

BT Vision has admitted it won't even come close to meeting its target of three million subscribers by the end of 2010.
The broadband/Freeview hybrid TV service will more than double its subscriber base to one million, claims CEO Marc Watson.

Watson claims BT Vision has had trouble communicating its message to consumers, and has been hampered by a lack of premium content.

He tells the Financial Times that BT is hoping to win access to Premiership football and other high value content in the wake of Ofcom's ongoing pay-TV investigation.

Report from the What Satellite and TV website.

So glad matterhorn aint here. this would surely feed him.

the problem is, people see it as a freeview box vs sky. when it clearly isn't.

if it gets multicasting live channels going then it will pickup.

noise747 · 13-10-2009, 22:11

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Originally Posted by stuntmaster

So glad matterhorn aint here. this would surely feed him.

the problem is, people see it as a freeview box vs sky. when it clearly isn't.

if it gets multicasting live channels going then it will pickup.

Most people see it as another way to get extra paid for T.V. The problem here is as the CEO said is content, it is to be honest naff.

If I was going to go for a pay t.v service, I would no doubt go for Sky, why? because it have the content, even on a basic one or 2 mix the content is far better than what BTV offers.

On another forum, someone asked about BTV, I sent them to the BTV website and the part that shows what is available and he thought is was pretty naff.

In fact I said
"I was considering it at one time, but to be honest the content is pretty lame, you would have thought the content would be better" and his reply after looking at the content was

"Yea that's pretty rubbish."

BTV is a fantastic idea and well done to BT for being brave and trying to take on Sky, but without content then it is just useless.

Again like ITV digital they are now going to spend money on football, not everyone is interested in football and those that are will have sky, simple as that.

I like natural world stuff, but that is pretty limited on BTV, for £17.50 a month I could have the Knowledge and there are a few channels on there that I would be interested in. It would cost me £60 if I went for a normal box or £80 if I went for a Sky+ box to get started.

What have BTV got to offer?

First of all they would try to force you onto a value pack which at a minimum will cost £14.68, now excuse me, but the only package I would be slightly interested in is the T.V pack, which by itself is £6.85 then £90 on top for the box, whihc is useless if you leave BT, at least the Sky box can still be used, even the Sky+ box can, but in a limited way.

so what is in the T.v pack to interest me? Very liuttle to be honest, there is How do they do that and how it works?, which I am interested in, but I can get that on normal T.V now if I wanted to. There are a couple of docus about the planet like Earth- The Power Of The Planet. I even saw Relic HUnter, which I like. But nothing to get me to fork out £90 for the box and then £6 a month after.

Sky is not much better, but there is a bit more on the Knowledge package.

Sorry, but BTV is to be honest a waste of money and it seems like BT knows it, that is why they are admitting that there are not going to get their 3million target by 2011, I doubt very much if they will get a million.

It is a shame as I said the idea is good, but little choice, if I was going to pay for T.v, I don't want to pay for stuff I can watch for free.

Stanman2005 · 13-10-2009, 22:23

There problem is the bundling of BB with it. I had BTV and loved it, I want to take it again but wont as long as they force the BB with it.

azimo · 14-10-2009, 03:11

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Originally Posted by Stanman2005

There problem is the bundling of BB with it. I had BTV and loved it, I want to take it again but wont as long as they force the BB with it.

Exactly, stop forcing people to take there BB, BT should sell the boxes in the shops and give the customer the choice if they want to subscribe to BTV no matter which ISP there with, I used to have BT BB but I'll never have it again.

paddysu · 14-10-2009, 03:21

If only they would get IPlayer as they keep talking about on there and not just bbc replay then that would be a great improvement as iplayer now has full series of programs on there long after they've been broadcast.

I would like a couple of extra channels that you can't get for free as well such as gold or bravo just to make it worth spending the amount on.

Its much better now that alot of the box sets and series are available for a year and not just a month any longer.

Even so though put it together with having to have bt bb and its an expensive service when your a single person and not making use of the kids stuff or the sport stuff.

battlezone · 14-10-2009, 07:50

We had BTV when it first appeared. The box luckily, was free. At the time most of the limited programme choice was free but after a short time the imposed costs appeared. That was a turning point. It was under the telly for about 6 months. About 5 of those it never got used. It's now back in the box under the bed!

The idea was to replace our Sky but as has been said the content just wasn't upto it. The lack of HD clinched it in the end.

noise747 · 14-10-2009, 08:38

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Originally Posted by Stanman2005

There problem is the bundling of BB with it. I had BTV and loved it, I want to take it again but wont as long as they force the BB with it.

that is not going to happen, for the main reason because it keeps people on BT broadband and the other reason it needs some sort of QOS system to keep it running, then you got the problem with limits.

I think they need to bring the price down and now that they can offer bundles, I expected that to have been done by now.

BT have known that they will be allowed to offer bundles for a while so there is no excuse.

But as I said above content is king, well certainly is if you are paying for it and BTV content is not that good.

wwwebber · 14-10-2009, 08:55

A few points I'd like to make here :-

No-one is forcing anyone to do anything. BT Broadband is a basic required for BTVision - it always has been. If you dont want BT Broadband then move along because you cant have BTVision.

BTVision cannot operate on any other ISP other than BT's own service and own network. No other ISP has the infrastructure to provide VOD with QOS via ADSL broadband. Its as simple as that.

There may be a chance that ISPs who use BT's backbone & infrastructure could provide the service but with different branding. Who knows what the ins and out are here.

As for content - well Noise doesnt like BTVision or BT - he never has, he doesnt even have BTVision or a TV license so it comes as no surprise yet again that he is dissing the content and having another repetitive rant that most of us have read so many times before. It should be pointed out that the content isnt specifically geared towards him and it never will be. There's plenty of folks here who are very happy with it. Noise is expressing an opinion which shouldnt be taken as fact - even if he has found a stooge on another forum to agree with him.

I agree that BTVision needs more premium content though. The BTVision service itself hasnt been marketed very well either in my opinion.

At the end of the day I like the service and it suits me very well. If they get more content and some streaming channels then thats all good and will be a bonus for me. The TV Replay service across all 5 main terrestrial channels is a godsend. As is the Premiership football service that no other platform offers.

As a side note - I'm moving house soon and after some extensive renovations I will be buying a new home cinema setup that will be a step change better than my current setup. My HD content currently comes from Lovefilm via blu-ray. If Freeview and / or BTVision cant give me the HD content that I want then I may be tempted to go elseware - especially if F1 goes HD on the Beeb. But thats in the future.

kboxer42 · 14-10-2009, 10:47

Hi all this is my first post but I have been checking this forum out for a while. Right in response to the gentlemans comments to the BTV versus Sky.

Firstly there is a huge time difference to how long Sky has been going to Bt Vision.

Secondly when Sky started they had nobody at first even in competition wise. I know there was a smaller company which folded can't remember the name.

Thirdly BtVision has a much more difficult job to get a new business of the ground. Sky has the monopoly in this business and at the moment is superior to Btvision. This makes it extremely hard for Bt to get their business active and its probably going to take some time for them to do it. I think they should be admired for have the guts to at least try their luck in the Vision marketplace. We live in a society where we want everything now noone has patience any more to wait for stuff.

I have had BTVision for about a year and am happy with the developement of the product so far. Admitidley it has a long way to go but hopefully it will get there. You have to remember what Sky was like when it started to what it has become I think we need to at least give BT a chance.

wwwebber · 14-10-2009, 11:16

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Originally Posted by kboxer42

Hi all this is my first post but I have been checking this forum out for a while. Right in response to the gentlemans comments to the BTV versus Sky.

Firstly there is a huge time difference to how long Sky has been going to Bt Vision.

Secondly when Sky started they had nobody at first even in competition wise. I know there was a smaller company which folded can't remember the name.

Thirdly BtVision has a much more difficult job to get a new business of the ground. Sky has the monopoly in this business and at the moment is superior to Btvision. This makes it extremely hard for Bt to get their business active and its probably going to take some time for them to do it. I think they should be admired for have the guts to at least try their luck in the Vision marketplace. We live in a society where we want everything now noone has patience any more to wait for stuff.

I have had BTVision for about a year and am happy with the developement of the product so far. Admitidley it has a long way to go but hopefully it will get there. You have to remember what Sky was like when it started to what it has become I think we need to at least give BT a chance.

Good first post mate - lots of valid points. The Vbox 2 is being announced in a few weeks time - hopefully BT will have grasped the nettle and will provide us with something that will at least start to make the platform more appealing.

But lets remember that this service still depends upon bog standard ADSL for the VOD so dont expect a revolutionary change. This wont come until FTTC & FTTH becomes a reality for most of us.

jonesyboy · 14-10-2009, 11:26

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wwwebber;36021266A few points I'd like to make here :-

No-one is forcing anyone to do anything. BT Broadband is a basic required for BTVision - it always has been. If you dont want BT Broadband then move along because you cant have BTVision.

BTVision cannot operate on any other ISP other than BT's own service and own network. No other ISP has the infrastructure to provide VOD with QOS via ADSL broadband. Its as simple as that.

There may be a chance that ISPs who use BT's backbone & infrastructure could provide the service but with different branding. Who knows what the ins and out are here.

Well put. I really do not understand all the posters who persistently complain about needing BT Broadband to have Vision. The explanation above really should put this to bed.

As for the content, I have been on Pay as You Go, for Vision content, right from the beginning. I rarely use VOD. However, I am considering subscribing to the Replay service, and may be the Sports pack. That will suffice for now, until Bt can give HD content. Thats if it ever happens. I like WWWebber, will consider my options if not.

kboxer42 · 14-10-2009, 12:04

I rang Bt last week as my ex wife wanted Bt Vision and asked about the new Vision Box. They said that it is being tested as we all know, so I asked if the box will have the abilty to view FreeviewHd and was told yes. I have been lied to by BT in the past concerning other matters so I am not saying this is gospel just what I was told. So lets hope.

BKM · 14-10-2009, 12:40

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Originally Posted by kboxer42

I rang Bt last week as my ex wife wanted Bt Vision and asked about the new Vision Box. They said that it is being tested as we all know, so I asked if the box will have the abilty to view FreeviewHd and was told yes. I have been lied to by BT in the past concerning other matters so I am not saying this is gospel just what I was told. So lets hope.

It would be pretty astonished if what you were told is true! DVB-T2 chipsets are only just becoming available and most STB manufacturers seem to be planning to launch next Spring - with a very few this year. If BT are "currently testing" a STB which is designed, built and already incorporates an HD-Tuner it sounds too good to be true!

wwwebber · 14-10-2009, 12:45

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Originally Posted by kboxer42

I rang Bt last week as my ex wife wanted Bt Vision and asked about the new Vision Box. They said that it is being tested as we all know, so I asked if the box will have the abilty to view FreeviewHd and was told yes. I have been lied to by BT in the past concerning other matters so I am not saying this is gospel just what I was told. So lets hope.

Be careful, the current DVB-T standard DOES support HD but is only used on the continent as it takes up too much bandwidth. BTVision and alot of other DVB-T boxes do actually support this standard though.

What you need to ask for is "does it support DVB-T2 ?" which is the standard that will support HD in this country when it is rolled out. I suspect all of this goes straight over the head of standard sales persons anyway so you're better just doing your own research.

Also, I have heard conflicting stories regarding what the Vbox 2 can or cant do so I suggest you sit tight and wait for the official announcement.

agm2002 · 14-10-2009, 12:51

Why doesn't BT Vision have the IP tv channels that Tiscali has such as Sky Sports, FX etc. I would pay a larger subscription for them channels and they would get more subscribers.

wwwebber · 14-10-2009, 12:59

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Originally Posted by agm2002

Why doesn't BT Vision have the IP tv channels that Tiscali has such as Sky Sports, FX etc. I would pay a larger subscription for them channels and they would get more subscribers.

Because they are live streaming channels. BTVision doesnt support this at the moment and only provides VOD.

Will they support live streaming IPTV in the future ? - lets hope so.

stuntmaster · 14-10-2009, 22:35

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Originally Posted by wwwebber

Because they are live streaming channels. BTVision doesnt support this at the moment and only provides VOD.

Will they support live streaming IPTV in the future ? - lets hope so.

its on the agenda, one of the priority things they want to get done. said it themselves if ofcom forces sky to go wholesale then they said they wanted sky sports on the platform.

but outside of that, BT would like to get multicasting as its called operational. remeber it would kill off tiscali TV in a shot since then it would be avliable across the UK.

as for the Vbox 2 supporting freeview HD i will say this again.

It comes with 2 SD tuners as stock, then you can swap them out for an upgrade to support DVB-T2. its the spec Pace have laid out. so that people wont need to buy yet another box when DVB-T2 arrives. instead they buy an upgrade module and freeview HD will work.

so the girl on the phone is correct, the box does support DVB-T2 but not out the box. just got to add an upgrade module to it. like you do a cam to an IDTV to get ESPN.

stuntmaster · 14-10-2009, 22:38

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Originally Posted by azimo

Exactly, stop forcing people to take there BB, BT should sell the boxes in the shops and give the customer the choice if they want to subscribe to BTV no matter which ISP there with, I used to have BT BB but I'll never have it again.

so virgin media should be allowed to sell the V+HD without their phone line then?

should Tiscali TV be allowed on BT broadband then?

Wwwebber has hit the nail on the head read his post you'll see why.

funny you come in here azimo, arnt you normally bashing TUTV?

methinks Azimo = Matterhorn

azimo · 15-10-2009, 02:31

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Originally Posted by stuntmaster

so virgin media should be allowed to sell the V+HD without their phone line then?

should Tiscali TV be allowed on BT broadband then?

Wwwebber has hit the nail on the head read his post you'll see why.

funny you come in here azimo, arnt you normally bashing TUTV?

methinks Azimo = Matterhorn

virgin media-yes if they won't to
tiscali tv- yes if BT and tiscali wont it

Funny how your aerial is hanging of the chimney and your top up tv pvr works, me thinks Arqiva will have more subscribers than BTV unless they do something about it, you seem to forget (as usual) BT have one of the worse reputations of any ISP, the reason for that is BT BB is rubbish, just like top up tv

azimo · 15-10-2009, 02:51

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jonesyboy · 15-10-2009, 08:50

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azimo;36038269]virgin media-yes if they won't to
tiscali tv- yes if BT and tiscali wont it

Could we have this in English please with spellings that make sense

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Funny how your aerial is hanging of the chimney and your top up tv pvr works, me thinks Arqiva will have more subscribers than BTV unless they do something about it, you seem to forget (as usual) BT have one of the worse reputations of any ISP, the reason for that is BT BB is rubbish, just like top up tv

Well my TUTV and BT Vision work off of a Loft aerial.

If you knew anything about BT Vision, you would know the customer service with that part of BT is generally fine , Oops forgot, My Vision is so good I havent needed to ring them for over 2 years.

Why come over to a Bt Vision forum Azimo (Matterhorns stand in)

and spout off about TUTV and Bt Vision , when you have neither of them.

:yawn:

Well a TUTV box you say is rubbish.

stuntmaster · 15-10-2009, 16:33

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Originally Posted by azimo

virgin media-yes if they won't to
tiscali tv- yes if BT and tiscali wont it

Funny how your aerial is hanging of the chimney and your top up tv pvr works, me thinks Arqiva will have more subscribers than BTV unless they do something about it, you seem to forget (as usual) BT have one of the worse reputations of any ISP, the reason for that is BT BB is rubbish, just like top up tv

Ok smart ass, you want visual proof then? i'll take a photo of my roof, and a photo of the signal meters then?3

remember I live close to a full relay so I will get exceptionally strong signals.

BT is working fine for me. had a slight hiccup that was induced by a sequence of hub reboots.

I don't forget anything, my service runs fine and its another snipe at me matterhorn like the last one.

azimo · 15-10-2009, 18:17

When BT can supply a BB connection thats not slooooow then they may get some new customers, until then forget it, to many people complain about slooooow speed's with BT, I've had BT BB and even my connection was slow, I'm now with Be* and I get this, with BT I was lucky to het 1/3 of that.

stuntmaster · 15-10-2009, 19:23

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Originally Posted by azimo

When BT can supply a BB connection thats not slooooow then they may get some new customers, until then forget it, to many people complain about slooooow speed's with BT, I've had BT BB and even my connection was slow, I'm now with Be* and I get this, with BT I was lucky to het 1/3 of that.

ok matterhorn, I sync at 6.3 out of 8 thats not slow. for all i know that speedtest could have been done at work.

do a proper one from speedtest.net please.

heres mine from this month

http://www.speedtest.net/result/583081055.png

12-10-2009, 19:03	#1
warrior51 Forum Member Join Date: Jun 2008 Posts: 533	BT Vision will not meet 3 million target Monday October 12, 2009 BT Vision will not meet 3 million subs target by 2011 BT Vision has admitted it won't even come close to meeting its target of three million subscribers by the end of 2010. The broadband/Freeview hybrid TV service will more than double its subscriber base to one million, claims CEO Marc Watson. Watson claims BT Vision has had trouble communicating its message to consumers, and has been hampered by a lack of premium content. He tells the Financial Times that BT is hoping to win access to Premiership football and other high value content in the wake of Ofcom's ongoing pay-TV investigation. Report from the What Satellite and TV website.

15-10-2009, 08:50	#22
jonesyboy Forum Member Join Date: Aug 2008 Posts: 1,330	Quote: azimo;36038269]virgin media-yes if they won't to tiscali tv- yes if BT and tiscali wont it Could we have this in English please with spellings that make sense Quote: Funny how your aerial is hanging of the chimney and your top up tv pvr works, me thinks Arqiva will have more subscribers than BTV unless they do something about it, you seem to forget (as usual) BT have one of the worse reputations of any ISP, the reason for that is BT BB is rubbish, just like top up tv Well my TUTV and BT Vision work off of a Loft aerial. If you knew anything about BT Vision, you would know the customer service with that part of BT is generally fine , Oops forgot, My Vision is so good I havent needed to ring them for over 2 years. Why come over to a Bt Vision forum Azimo (Matterhorns stand in) and spout off about TUTV and Bt Vision , when you have neither of them.:yawn: Well a TUTV box you say is rubbish.

13-10-2009, 00:07	#2
stuntmaster Forum Member Join Date: May 2005 Location: Southampton - Hannington - TX Posts: 4,878	Quote: Originally Posted by warrior51 Monday October 12, 2009 BT Vision will not meet 3 million subs target by 2011 BT Vision has admitted it won't even come close to meeting its target of three million subscribers by the end of 2010. The broadband/Freeview hybrid TV service will more than double its subscriber base to one million, claims CEO Marc Watson. Watson claims BT Vision has had trouble communicating its message to consumers, and has been hampered by a lack of premium content. He tells the Financial Times that BT is hoping to win access to Premiership football and other high value content in the wake of Ofcom's ongoing pay-TV investigation. Report from the What Satellite and TV website. So glad matterhorn aint here. this would surely feed him. the problem is, people see it as a freeview box vs sky. when it clearly isn't. if it gets multicasting live channels going then it will pickup.

13-10-2009, 22:11	#3
noise747 Forum Member Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Herefordshire Posts: 22,810	Quote: Originally Posted by stuntmaster So glad matterhorn aint here. this would surely feed him. the problem is, people see it as a freeview box vs sky. when it clearly isn't. if it gets multicasting live channels going then it will pickup. Most people see it as another way to get extra paid for T.V. The problem here is as the CEO said is content, it is to be honest naff. If I was going to go for a pay t.v service, I would no doubt go for Sky, why? because it have the content, even on a basic one or 2 mix the content is far better than what BTV offers. On another forum, someone asked about BTV, I sent them to the BTV website and the part that shows what is available and he thought is was pretty naff. In fact I said "I was considering it at one time, but to be honest the content is pretty lame, you would have thought the content would be better" and his reply after looking at the content was "Yea that's pretty rubbish." BTV is a fantastic idea and well done to BT for being brave and trying to take on Sky, but without content then it is just useless. Again like ITV digital they are now going to spend money on football, not everyone is interested in football and those that are will have sky, simple as that. I like natural world stuff, but that is pretty limited on BTV, for £17.50 a month I could have the Knowledge and there are a few channels on there that I would be interested in. It would cost me £60 if I went for a normal box or £80 if I went for a Sky+ box to get started. What have BTV got to offer? First of all they would try to force you onto a value pack which at a minimum will cost £14.68, now excuse me, but the only package I would be slightly interested in is the T.V pack, which by itself is £6.85 then £90 on top for the box, whihc is useless if you leave BT, at least the Sky box can still be used, even the Sky+ box can, but in a limited way. so what is in the T.v pack to interest me? Very liuttle to be honest, there is How do they do that and how it works?, which I am interested in, but I can get that on normal T.V now if I wanted to. There are a couple of docus about the planet like Earth- The Power Of The Planet. I even saw Relic HUnter, which I like. But nothing to get me to fork out £90 for the box and then £6 a month after. Sky is not much better, but there is a bit more on the Knowledge package. Sorry, but BTV is to be honest a waste of money and it seems like BT knows it, that is why they are admitting that there are not going to get their 3million target by 2011, I doubt very much if they will get a million. It is a shame as I said the idea is good, but little choice, if I was going to pay for T.v, I don't want to pay for stuff I can watch for free.

13-10-2009, 22:23	#4
Stanman2005 Forum Member Join Date: Mar 2009 Posts: 15	There problem is the bundling of BB with it. I had BTV and loved it, I want to take it again but wont as long as they force the BB with it.

14-10-2009, 03:11	#5
azimo Forum Member Join Date: Mar 2009 Posts: 927	Quote: Originally Posted by Stanman2005 There problem is the bundling of BB with it. I had BTV and loved it, I want to take it again but wont as long as they force the BB with it. Exactly, stop forcing people to take there BB, BT should sell the boxes in the shops and give the customer the choice if they want to subscribe to BTV no matter which ISP there with, I used to have BT BB but I'll never have it again.

14-10-2009, 03:21	#6
paddysu Forum Member Join Date: May 2004 Location: Brighton Posts: 4,796	If only they would get IPlayer as they keep talking about on there and not just bbc replay then that would be a great improvement as iplayer now has full series of programs on there long after they've been broadcast. I would like a couple of extra channels that you can't get for free as well such as gold or bravo just to make it worth spending the amount on. Its much better now that alot of the box sets and series are available for a year and not just a month any longer. Even so though put it together with having to have bt bb and its an expensive service when your a single person and not making use of the kids stuff or the sport stuff.

14-10-2009, 07:50	#7
battlezone Forum Member Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Oxford (formally Newcastle) Posts: 1,813	We had BTV when it first appeared. The box luckily, was free. At the time most of the limited programme choice was free but after a short time the imposed costs appeared. That was a turning point. It was under the telly for about 6 months. About 5 of those it never got used. It's now back in the box under the bed! The idea was to replace our Sky but as has been said the content just wasn't upto it. The lack of HD clinched it in the end.

14-10-2009, 08:38	#8
noise747 Forum Member Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Herefordshire Posts: 22,810	Quote: Originally Posted by Stanman2005 There problem is the bundling of BB with it. I had BTV and loved it, I want to take it again but wont as long as they force the BB with it. that is not going to happen, for the main reason because it keeps people on BT broadband and the other reason it needs some sort of QOS system to keep it running, then you got the problem with limits. I think they need to bring the price down and now that they can offer bundles, I expected that to have been done by now. BT have known that they will be allowed to offer bundles for a while so there is no excuse. But as I said above content is king, well certainly is if you are paying for it and BTV content is not that good.

14-10-2009, 08:55	#9
wwwebber Forum Member Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: Nottingham Posts: 3,536	A few points I'd like to make here :- No-one is forcing anyone to do anything. BT Broadband is a basic required for BTVision - it always has been. If you dont want BT Broadband then move along because you cant have BTVision. BTVision cannot operate on any other ISP other than BT's own service and own network. No other ISP has the infrastructure to provide VOD with QOS via ADSL broadband. Its as simple as that. There may be a chance that ISPs who use BT's backbone & infrastructure could provide the service but with different branding. Who knows what the ins and out are here. As for content - well Noise doesnt like BTVision or BT - he never has, he doesnt even have BTVision or a TV license so it comes as no surprise yet again that he is dissing the content and having another repetitive rant that most of us have read so many times before. It should be pointed out that the content isnt specifically geared towards him and it never will be. There's plenty of folks here who are very happy with it. Noise is expressing an opinion which shouldnt be taken as fact - even if he has found a stooge on another forum to agree with him. I agree that BTVision needs more premium content though. The BTVision service itself hasnt been marketed very well either in my opinion. At the end of the day I like the service and it suits me very well. If they get more content and some streaming channels then thats all good and will be a bonus for me. The TV Replay service across all 5 main terrestrial channels is a godsend. As is the Premiership football service that no other platform offers. As a side note - I'm moving house soon and after some extensive renovations I will be buying a new home cinema setup that will be a step change better than my current setup. My HD content currently comes from Lovefilm via blu-ray. If Freeview and / or BTVision cant give me the HD content that I want then I may be tempted to go elseware - especially if F1 goes HD on the Beeb. But thats in the future.

14-10-2009, 10:47	#10
kboxer42 Forum Member Join Date: Mar 2009 Posts: 18	Hi all this is my first post but I have been checking this forum out for a while. Right in response to the gentlemans comments to the BTV versus Sky. Firstly there is a huge time difference to how long Sky has been going to Bt Vision. Secondly when Sky started they had nobody at first even in competition wise. I know there was a smaller company which folded can't remember the name. Thirdly BtVision has a much more difficult job to get a new business of the ground. Sky has the monopoly in this business and at the moment is superior to Btvision. This makes it extremely hard for Bt to get their business active and its probably going to take some time for them to do it. I think they should be admired for have the guts to at least try their luck in the Vision marketplace. We live in a society where we want everything now noone has patience any more to wait for stuff. I have had BTVision for about a year and am happy with the developement of the product so far. Admitidley it has a long way to go but hopefully it will get there. You have to remember what Sky was like when it started to what it has become I think we need to at least give BT a chance.

14-10-2009, 11:16	#11
wwwebber Forum Member Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: Nottingham Posts: 3,536	Quote: Originally Posted by kboxer42 Hi all this is my first post but I have been checking this forum out for a while. Right in response to the gentlemans comments to the BTV versus Sky. Firstly there is a huge time difference to how long Sky has been going to Bt Vision. Secondly when Sky started they had nobody at first even in competition wise. I know there was a smaller company which folded can't remember the name. Thirdly BtVision has a much more difficult job to get a new business of the ground. Sky has the monopoly in this business and at the moment is superior to Btvision. This makes it extremely hard for Bt to get their business active and its probably going to take some time for them to do it. I think they should be admired for have the guts to at least try their luck in the Vision marketplace. We live in a society where we want everything now noone has patience any more to wait for stuff. I have had BTVision for about a year and am happy with the developement of the product so far. Admitidley it has a long way to go but hopefully it will get there. You have to remember what Sky was like when it started to what it has become I think we need to at least give BT a chance. Good first post mate - lots of valid points. The Vbox 2 is being announced in a few weeks time - hopefully BT will have grasped the nettle and will provide us with something that will at least start to make the platform more appealing. But lets remember that this service still depends upon bog standard ADSL for the VOD so dont expect a revolutionary change. This wont come until FTTC & FTTH becomes a reality for most of us.

14-10-2009, 11:26	#12
jonesyboy Forum Member Join Date: Aug 2008 Posts: 1,330	Quote: wwwebber;36021266A few points I'd like to make here :- No-one is forcing anyone to do anything. BT Broadband is a basic required for BTVision - it always has been. If you dont want BT Broadband then move along because you cant have BTVision. BTVision cannot operate on any other ISP other than BT's own service and own network. No other ISP has the infrastructure to provide VOD with QOS via ADSL broadband. Its as simple as that. There may be a chance that ISPs who use BT's backbone & infrastructure could provide the service but with different branding. Who knows what the ins and out are here. Well put. I really do not understand all the posters who persistently complain about needing BT Broadband to have Vision. The explanation above really should put this to bed. As for the content, I have been on Pay as You Go, for Vision content, right from the beginning. I rarely use VOD. However, I am considering subscribing to the Replay service, and may be the Sports pack. That will suffice for now, until Bt can give HD content. Thats if it ever happens. I like WWWebber, will consider my options if not.

14-10-2009, 12:04	#13
kboxer42 Forum Member Join Date: Mar 2009 Posts: 18	I rang Bt last week as my ex wife wanted Bt Vision and asked about the new Vision Box. They said that it is being tested as we all know, so I asked if the box will have the abilty to view FreeviewHd and was told yes. I have been lied to by BT in the past concerning other matters so I am not saying this is gospel just what I was told. So lets hope.

14-10-2009, 12:40	#14
BKM Forum Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Posts: 6,288	Quote: Originally Posted by kboxer42 I rang Bt last week as my ex wife wanted Bt Vision and asked about the new Vision Box. They said that it is being tested as we all know, so I asked if the box will have the abilty to view FreeviewHd and was told yes. I have been lied to by BT in the past concerning other matters so I am not saying this is gospel just what I was told. So lets hope. It would be pretty astonished if what you were told is true! DVB-T2 chipsets are only just becoming available and most STB manufacturers seem to be planning to launch next Spring - with a very few this year. If BT are "currently testing" a STB which is designed, built and already incorporates an HD-Tuner it sounds too good to be true!

14-10-2009, 12:45	#15
wwwebber Forum Member Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: Nottingham Posts: 3,536	Quote: Originally Posted by kboxer42 I rang Bt last week as my ex wife wanted Bt Vision and asked about the new Vision Box. They said that it is being tested as we all know, so I asked if the box will have the abilty to view FreeviewHd and was told yes. I have been lied to by BT in the past concerning other matters so I am not saying this is gospel just what I was told. So lets hope. Be careful, the current DVB-T standard DOES support HD but is only used on the continent as it takes up too much bandwidth. BTVision and alot of other DVB-T boxes do actually support this standard though. What you need to ask for is "does it support DVB-T2 ?" which is the standard that will support HD in this country when it is rolled out. I suspect all of this goes straight over the head of standard sales persons anyway so you're better just doing your own research. Also, I have heard conflicting stories regarding what the Vbox 2 can or cant do so I suggest you sit tight and wait for the official announcement.

14-10-2009, 12:51	#16
agm2002 Forum Member Join Date: Apr 2002 Posts: 512	Why doesn't BT Vision have the IP tv channels that Tiscali has such as Sky Sports, FX etc. I would pay a larger subscription for them channels and they would get more subscribers.

14-10-2009, 12:59	#17
wwwebber Forum Member Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: Nottingham Posts: 3,536	Quote: Originally Posted by agm2002 Why doesn't BT Vision have the IP tv channels that Tiscali has such as Sky Sports, FX etc. I would pay a larger subscription for them channels and they would get more subscribers. Because they are live streaming channels. BTVision doesnt support this at the moment and only provides VOD. Will they support live streaming IPTV in the future ? - lets hope so.

14-10-2009, 22:35	#18
stuntmaster Forum Member Join Date: May 2005 Location: Southampton - Hannington - TX Posts: 4,878	Quote: Originally Posted by wwwebber Because they are live streaming channels. BTVision doesnt support this at the moment and only provides VOD. Will they support live streaming IPTV in the future ? - lets hope so. its on the agenda, one of the priority things they want to get done. said it themselves if ofcom forces sky to go wholesale then they said they wanted sky sports on the platform. but outside of that, BT would like to get multicasting as its called operational. remeber it would kill off tiscali TV in a shot since then it would be avliable across the UK. as for the Vbox 2 supporting freeview HD i will say this again. It comes with 2 SD tuners as stock, then you can swap them out for an upgrade to support DVB-T2. its the spec Pace have laid out. so that people wont need to buy yet another box when DVB-T2 arrives. instead they buy an upgrade module and freeview HD will work. so the girl on the phone is correct, the box does support DVB-T2 but not out the box. just got to add an upgrade module to it. like you do a cam to an IDTV to get ESPN.

14-10-2009, 22:38	#19
stuntmaster Forum Member Join Date: May 2005 Location: Southampton - Hannington - TX Posts: 4,878	Quote: Originally Posted by azimo Exactly, stop forcing people to take there BB, BT should sell the boxes in the shops and give the customer the choice if they want to subscribe to BTV no matter which ISP there with, I used to have BT BB but I'll never have it again. so virgin media should be allowed to sell the V+HD without their phone line then? should Tiscali TV be allowed on BT broadband then? Wwwebber has hit the nail on the head read his post you'll see why. funny you come in here azimo, arnt you normally bashing TUTV? methinks Azimo = Matterhorn

15-10-2009, 02:31	#20
azimo Forum Member Join Date: Mar 2009 Posts: 927	Quote: Originally Posted by stuntmaster so virgin media should be allowed to sell the V+HD without their phone line then? should Tiscali TV be allowed on BT broadband then? Wwwebber has hit the nail on the head read his post you'll see why. funny you come in here azimo, arnt you normally bashing TUTV? methinks Azimo = Matterhorn virgin media-yes if they won't to tiscali tv- yes if BT and tiscali wont it Funny how your aerial is hanging of the chimney and your top up tv pvr works, me thinks Arqiva will have more subscribers than BTV unless they do something about it, you seem to forget (as usual) BT have one of the worse reputations of any ISP, the reason for that is BT BB is rubbish, just like top up tv

15-10-2009, 02:51	#21
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15-10-2009, 16:33	#23
stuntmaster Forum Member Join Date: May 2005 Location: Southampton - Hannington - TX Posts: 4,878	Quote: Originally Posted by azimo virgin media-yes if they won't to tiscali tv- yes if BT and tiscali wont it Funny how your aerial is hanging of the chimney and your top up tv pvr works, me thinks Arqiva will have more subscribers than BTV unless they do something about it, you seem to forget (as usual) BT have one of the worse reputations of any ISP, the reason for that is BT BB is rubbish, just like top up tv Ok smart ass, you want visual proof then? i'll take a photo of my roof, and a photo of the signal meters then?3 remember I live close to a full relay so I will get exceptionally strong signals. BT is working fine for me. had a slight hiccup that was induced by a sequence of hub reboots. I don't forget anything, my service runs fine and its another snipe at me matterhorn like the last one.

15-10-2009, 18:17	#24
azimo Forum Member Join Date: Mar 2009 Posts: 927	When BT can supply a BB connection thats not slooooow then they may get some new customers, until then forget it, to many people complain about slooooow speed's with BT, I've had BT BB and even my connection was slow, I'm now with Be* and I get this, with BT I was lucky to het 1/3 of that.

15-10-2009, 19:23	#25
stuntmaster Forum Member Join Date: May 2005 Location: Southampton - Hannington - TX Posts: 4,878	Quote: Originally Posted by azimo When BT can supply a BB connection thats not slooooow then they may get some new customers, until then forget it, to many people complain about slooooow speed's with BT, I've had BT BB and even my connection was slow, I'm now with Be* and I get this, with BT I was lucky to het 1/3 of that. ok matterhorn, I sync at 6.3 out of 8 thats not slow. for all i know that speedtest could have been done at work. do a proper one from speedtest.net please. heres mine from this month http://www.speedtest.net/result/583081055.png